Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

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2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

They are just sad losers who like to belong to a club instead of being and independent and free in making your own decisions.

 

It's perthetic to think the UK can rejoin it's never going to happen there will be more EU leaving countries I believe in the future.

 

Below is a composite of all pollsters' results on the question of whether Britain was right or wrong to leave EU:

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

[puchooay]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How about you try addressing the present.

 

“Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?”

 

COVID + WAR + BREXIT = Outcome ?

 

I know you don’t like the answer but don’t expect the rest of us to ignore the outcome just because you don’t like the answer.

 

 

 

That is the present. We've agreed on that. Although no one has actually proved to what extent each event has impacted on  the present day situation.

 

NOW please post some facts about the future to back your position. Like I said, I think 2024 should be about right.

[DezLez]

42 minutes ago, puchooay said:

NOW please post some facts about the future

How can you post facts about the future? 

I accept there are lots of projections regarding future trends etc , but I do not count them as facts!

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Richie should have been put in PM position first or even better Bojo should not have left. 

 

Doesn't answer either of the points which you replied to

[puchooay]

15 minutes ago, DezLez said:

How can you post facts about the future? 

I accept there are lots of projections regarding future trends etc , but I do not count them as facts!

Exactly my point.

 

Some posters on here are posting drivel about a future that can't prove.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, puchooay said:

That is the present. We've agreed on that. Although no one has actually proved to what extent each event has impacted on  the present day situation.

 

NOW please post some facts about the future to back your position. Like I said, I think 2024 should be about right.

OK, so we are agreed, the impact of the three events COVID + WAR + BREXIT are mixed and it is difficult to determine the individual impact of each.

 

However, as time passes the impact of COVID is receding. 
 

Likewise the impact of the war. 
 

What remains is BREXIT.

 

Hence as the impacts of COVID + the WAR recede, the impacts of BREXIT will become more apparent.

 

This process is already underway and will continue.

 

We also already see people from within the BREXIT campaign speaking out against BREXIT.  Public opinion polls are continuing to shift against BREXIT.

 

The Chancellor of the Exchequer has clearly stated ‘unfettered trade with the UK’s nearest neighbours would be good for economic growth’.

 

After that statement the Government has had to go on the defensive to deny leaks of seeking a ‘Swiss-Style Trade Agreement’ with the EU.

 

And all the while the absolute certainty the 65+ demographic group that provided voter support for BREXIT is dying off.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

 

 

And let’s not forget that failed BREXIT forecast.

 

Not a ‘sunny upland’ in sight.

[puchooay]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not a ‘sunny upland’ in sight.

A prediction once more.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, puchooay said:

A prediction once more.

 

 

Yes, it was a prediction made by Brexiteers.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, puchooay said:

A prediction once more.

 

 

Every government, every public company, every bank, every finance company, etc. has a department whose function is to predict the future.

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

However, as time passes the impact of COVID is receding. 

Another 3-5 years for the COVID 2 year shutdown effects to end IMHO.

Add to that another 2 years from the end of NATO induced warmongering against Russia.

Edited November 27, 2022 by BritManToo

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Every government, every public company, every bank, every finance company, etc. has a department whose function is to predict the future.

To within a stated degree of confidence.

 

Likewise aircraft fuel loads are based on a prediction of consumption for the flight, a bit of a problem for those who need to occasionally fly but struggle with an aversion to predictions.

 

It is of course not the predictions that bother Brexiteers, it’s the fact BREXIT is failing and voters can see BREXIT is failing.

 

Not a ‘sunlit upland’ in sight.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Another 3-5 years for the COVID 2 year shutdown effects to end IMHO.

Add to that another 2 years from the end of NATO induced warmongering against Russia.

You perhaps need to qualify that statement given every other nation in the G7 except the UK has recovered its level of economic activity to pre-pandemic levels, something the UK has failed to do.

 

Your pro-Putin misinformation is noted.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Some better news

Germany is about to go into recession as well as the U.K 

 

https://www.globaldata.com/media/business-fundamentals/germanys-economy-fall-recession-next-year-due-european-energy-crisis-says-globaldata/#:~:text=According to GlobalData's Country Analytics,(-0.3%) in 2023.

 

Germany’s economy is expected to slide into a recession in 2023 due to its high exposure to the current energy crisis, according to GlobalData. As a result, the leading data and analytics company has downwardly revised its estimations for Germany’s economic growth predictions by -2.4 percentage points (pp) for 2022 and -1.7pp for 2023 since its last update in February 2022.

 

 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some better news

Germany is about to go into recession as well as the U.K 

 

https://www.globaldata.com/media/business-fundamentals/germanys-economy-fall-recession-next-year-due-european-energy-crisis-says-globaldata/#:~:text=According to GlobalData's Country Analytics,(-0.3%) in 2023.

 

Germany’s economy is expected to slide into a recession in 2023 due to its high exposure to the current energy crisis, according to GlobalData. As a result, the leading data and analytics company has downwardly revised its estimations for Germany’s economic growth predictions by -2.4 percentage points (pp) for 2022 and -1.7pp for 2023 since its last update in February 2022.

 

 

And that's good news why?

[BritManToo]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You perhaps need to qualify that statement given every other nation in the G7 except the UK has recovered its level of economic activity to pre-pandemic levels, something the UK has failed to do.

 

Your pro-Putin misinformation is noted.

I despise all the former communist/Soviet block countries (including East Germany) equally.

Edited November 27, 2022 by BritManToo

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

And that's good news why?

Because the UK ISNT struggling more than other Countries and the whole of the E.U is predicted to go into recession .

   But to prove that Brexit was bad for the U.K , lets compare the U.K to non E.U Countries  like USA , Japan and Canada (G7)

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Because the UK ISNT struggling more than other Countries and the whole of the E.U is predicted to go into recession .

   But to prove that Brexit was bad for the U.K , lets compare the U.K to non E.U Countries  like USA , Japan and Canada (G7)

I'd say, based on the data you choose to ignore, it is doing worse than its peers 

But even if not, it still isn't good news that a country might slide into recession according to a prediction. You remember predictions, those pesky predictions you just tried to completely invalidate?

[Phoenix Rising]

44 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Another 3-5 years for the COVID 2 year shutdown effects to end IMHO.

Add to that another 2 years from the end of NATO induced warmongering against Russia.

Yes Ivan.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I'd say, based on the data you choose to ignore, it is doing worse than its peers 

But even if not, it still isn't good news that a country might slide into recession according to a prediction. You remember predictions, those pesky predictions you just tried to completely invalidate?

Do I have to repost the graph again that shows the U.K is in the middle of all E.U Countries when it comes to economic figures ?

  Do you understand that USA , Japan and Canada are not in the E.U and you are comparing the U.K to those non E.U Countries to show Brexit was a mistake ?

   Why not compare the U.K to other E.U Countries ?

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

After that statement the Government has had to go on the defensive to deny leaks of seeking a ‘Swiss-Style Trade Agreement’ with the EU.

So has the leader of the Labour Party in the last few days:

Sir Keir Starmer insists he won't derail Brexit as he rules out a Switzerland-style deal (msn.com)

Edited November 27, 2022 by DezLez

[puchooay]

57 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Likewise aircraft fuel loads are based on a prediction of consumption for the flight, a bit of a problem for those who need to occasionally fly but struggle with an aversion to predictions

A strange comparison. 

 

Fuel requirements for an aircraft are based using many constants.

 

The only constant here is your doom and gloom about a future you cannot confirm.

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, DezLez said:

So has the leader of the Labour Party in the last few days:

Sir Keir Starmer insists he won't derail Brexit as he rules out a Switzerland-style deal (msn.com)

Doesn't matter, they're all lying.

[DezLez]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Doesn't matter, they're all lying.

Along with a certain poster here!

 

 

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Edited November 27, 2022 by DezLez
PS removed

[ozimoron]

54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do I have to repost the graph again that shows the U.K is in the middle of all E.U Countries when it comes to economic figures ?

  Do you understand that USA , Japan and Canada are not in the E.U and you are comparing the U.K to those non E.U Countries to show Brexit was a mistake ?

   Why not compare the U.K to other E.U Countries ?

His "sobering" conclusion is that in the final quarter of 2021, GDP (gross domestic product) was 5.2% smaller, investment 13.7% lower, and goods trade 13.6% lower than what they would have been had the UK remained in the EU.

"The UK had a particularly deep recession in 2020, but it ended COVID restrictions sooner than many of its peers, thanks in part to starting its vaccination campaign early in 2021. That should have made its recovery from COVID faster than other countries, not slower," he says.

 

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/07/05/brexit-damage-is-eu-exit-now-hitting-uks-economy-harder-than-covid

[johnnybangkok]

2 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Along with a certain poster here!

 

Ps; You (and the rest of us) know who you are!

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Most are not actually downright lying but their tribal loyality to the Brexit Brigrade won't allow them to recognise verifiable facts and more information that doesn't back up their idea that Brexit is just the best and was the right thing to do. Denial, deflection, disinformation; and when all else fails the 'give it a few years, it's early days!' nonsense.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Because the UK ISNT struggling more than other Countries and the whole of the E.U is predicted to go into recession .

   But to prove that Brexit was bad for the U.K , lets compare the U.K to non E.U Countries  like USA , Japan and Canada (G7)

But the UK is struggling more than other countries, Germany’s economy has already recovered to post Pandemic levels, the UK’s economy has not.

[ozimoron]

This is pretty clear.

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

[puchooay]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

None of which will make the slightest difference to people struggling to pay their bills and feed their families in the UK.

Which has been caused by....?

 

I'll answer. The war in Ukraine and Covid19 lockdowns, furlough payments, business grants etc.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To within a stated degree of confidence.

 

Likewise aircraft fuel loads are based on a prediction of consumption for the flight, a bit of a problem for those who need to occasionally fly but struggle with an aversion to predictions.

 

It is of course not the predictions that bother Brexiteers, it’s the fact BREXIT is failing and voters can see BREXIT is failing.

 

Not a ‘sunlit upland’ in sight.

 

 

Aircraft fuel loads are calculated by certified pilots, able to perform this task, even if they fly 'occasionally'.

 

Unfortunately, the UK is again now being piloted by a crew of certified remainers. If they keep messing about then the Tories can expect to go from +80 to -80 at the next election. Labour will be no better because.... they never are! 

 

Yes, Brexiteers are bothered but that's because the whole Brexit process was mismanaged, from the outset and with constant interference by remainers. This silly ‘sunlit upland’ term must have actually originated from remainers - I never saw it in any leave campaign material.

 

The imminent recession, mentioned a lot on here, will be global - it certainly won't be just the UK or the fault of Brexit. 

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, DezLez said:

So has the leader of the Labour Party in the last few days:

Sir Keir Starmer insists he won't derail Brexit as he rules out a Switzerland-style deal (msn.com)

There’s a difference.

 

Starmer has rules out a Swiss-Style deal if elected.

 

The Government are responding to leaks that they are seeking a Swiss-Style deal