Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Been a while since you played the 'Balotelli card'. 

 

In case you've forgotten, the 'Withdrawal Agreement' was agreed and signed off by your hero, Johnson, a Brexiter.

Well yes otherwise the UK would be still trotting along and around wheat fields. ????

[jak2002003]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Including covid and war which also relavant why separate the causes just to blather on about one cause.

Covid and war has also affected Europe...so why is the UK doing worse then evey other country in Europe? 

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, jak2002003 said:

Covid and war has also affected Europe...so why is the UK doing worse then evey other country in Europe? 

Just keep going around and around in circles :

The UK isn't doing worse than every other Country in Europe.

[jak2002003]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just keep going around and around in circles :

The UK isn't doing worse than every other Country in Europe.

 

 Can you share a link to your statent please? 

Edited December 8, 2022 by jak2002003

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

 Can you share a link to your statent please? 

I have already posted graphs showing the UK is doing about in the middle , please read this thread , 

[jak2002003]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have already posted graphs showing the UK is doing about in the middle , please read this thread , 

Hmmmm... You want me to read through 50 pages in this thread to find a graph you say you posted.....? No thanks. 

 

As i guessed you could not be bothered to show me a link to support your claim. 

 

Here is a link to support mine. Does  it take a moment...unlike reading through hundreds of posts. 

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/british-economy-worst-hit-in-g7-as-brexit-political-chaos-bite/6845814.html

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by jak2002003

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, jak2002003 said:

Hmmmm

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/british-economy-worst-hit-in-g7-as-brexit-political-chaos-bite/6845814.html

 

Once again 

 That is G7 and not the E.U

G7 consists of 4 non E.U Countries

[jak2002003]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Once again 

 That is G7 and not the E.U

G7 consists of 4 non E.U Countries

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/27/brexit-has-made-britain-the-sick-man-of-europe-again

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/27/brexit-has-made-britain-the-sick-man-of-europe-again

 

^ A Remainer giving his view of Brexit in a remainer newspaper with its readers wanting to read anti brexit opinions 

[candide]

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just keep going around and around in circles :

The UK isn't doing worse than every other Country in Europe.

 

Well, it depends how one looks at it, as it may vary over time. It's still worse than Eurozone and several countries for catching-up after the Codid crisis.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, it depends how one looks at it, as it may vary over time. It's still worse than Eurozone and several countries for catching-up after the Codid crisis.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Yes, the UK had a higher growth previously , and so the fall seems greater http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02784/assets/16e07b7d-1983-4b51-8fb6-c40b61a04f4a.png

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

^ A Remainer giving his view of Brexit in a remainer newspaper with its readers wanting to read anti brexit opinions 

Truth hurts eh...so you go back to your deflection strategies.

[superal]

European inflation rates 2022

Country	Last	Previous	Reference	Unit
Liechtenstein	3	3.3	Oct/22	%
Switzerland	3	3	Nov/22	%
Luxembourg	6	6.9	Nov/22	%
France	6.2	6.2	Nov/22	%
Spain	6.8	7.3	Nov/22	%
Malta	7.4	7.4	Oct/22	%
Norway	7.5	6.9	Oct/22	%
Albania	8.3	8.1	Oct/22	%
Finland	8.3	8.1	Oct/22	%
Cyprus	8.7	8.8	Nov/22	%
Faroe Islands	8.8	7.3	Sep/22	%
Greece	9.1	12	Oct/22	%
Ireland	9.2	8.2	Oct/22	%
Iceland	9.3	9.4	Nov/22	%
Netherlands	9.9	14.3	Nov/22	%
Portugal	9.9	10.1	Nov/22	%
Euro Area	10	10.6	Nov/22	%
Germany	10	10.4	Nov/22	%
Slovenia	10	9.9	Nov/22	%
Denmark	10.1	10	Oct/22	%
Austria	10.6	11	Nov/22	%
Belgium	10.63	12.27	Nov/22	%
Sweden	10.9	10.8	Oct/22	%
United Kingdom	11.1	10.1	Oct/22	%
European Union	11.5	10.9	Oct/22	%
Italy	11.8	11.8	Nov/22	%
Russia	12.6	13.7	Oct/22	%
Kosovo	12.7	12.7	Oct/22	%
Croatia	13.2	12.8	Oct/22	%
Slovakia	14.9	14.2	Oct/22	%
Serbia	15	14	Oct/22	%
Czech Republic	15.1	18	Oct/22	%
Belarus	15.2	17.4	Oct/22	%
Romania	15.32	15.88	Oct/22	%
Montenegro	16.8	16	Oct/22	%
Bosnia and Herzegovina	17.4	17.3	Oct/22	%
Poland	17.4	17.9	Nov/22	%
Bulgaria	17.6	18.7	Oct/22	%
Macedonia	19.5	19.8	Nov/22	%
Estonia	21.3	22.5	Nov/22	%
Latvia	21.8	22.2	Oct/22	%
Hungary	22.5	21.1	Nov/22	%
Lithuania	22.9	23.6	Nov/22	%
Ukraine	26.6	24.6	Oct/22	%
Moldova	34.62	33.97	Oct/22	%
Turkey	84.39	85.51	Nov/22	%

 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, superal said:

European inflation rates 2022

Country	Last	Previous	Reference	Unit
Liechtenstein	3	3.3	Oct/22	%
Switzerland	3	3	Nov/22	%
Luxembourg	6	6.9	Nov/22	%
France	6.2	6.2	Nov/22	%
Spain	6.8	7.3	Nov/22	%
Malta	7.4	7.4	Oct/22	%
Norway	7.5	6.9	Oct/22	%
Albania	8.3	8.1	Oct/22	%
Finland	8.3	8.1	Oct/22	%
Cyprus	8.7	8.8	Nov/22	%
Faroe Islands	8.8	7.3	Sep/22	%
Greece	9.1	12	Oct/22	%
Ireland	9.2	8.2	Oct/22	%
Iceland	9.3	9.4	Nov/22	%
Netherlands	9.9	14.3	Nov/22	%
Portugal	9.9	10.1	Nov/22	%
Euro Area	10	10.6	Nov/22	%
Germany	10	10.4	Nov/22	%
Slovenia	10	9.9	Nov/22	%
Denmark	10.1	10	Oct/22	%
Austria	10.6	11	Nov/22	%
Belgium	10.63	12.27	Nov/22	%
Sweden	10.9	10.8	Oct/22	%
United Kingdom	11.1	10.1	Oct/22	%
European Union	11.5	10.9	Oct/22	%
Italy	11.8	11.8	Nov/22	%
Russia	12.6	13.7	Oct/22	%
Kosovo	12.7	12.7	Oct/22	%
Croatia	13.2	12.8	Oct/22	%
Slovakia	14.9	14.2	Oct/22	%
Serbia	15	14	Oct/22	%
Czech Republic	15.1	18	Oct/22	%
Belarus	15.2	17.4	Oct/22	%
Romania	15.32	15.88	Oct/22	%
Montenegro	16.8	16	Oct/22	%
Bosnia and Herzegovina	17.4	17.3	Oct/22	%
Poland	17.4	17.9	Nov/22	%
Bulgaria	17.6	18.7	Oct/22	%
Macedonia	19.5	19.8	Nov/22	%
Estonia	21.3	22.5	Nov/22	%
Latvia	21.8	22.2	Oct/22	%
Hungary	22.5	21.1	Nov/22	%
Lithuania	22.9	23.6	Nov/22	%
Ukraine	26.6	24.6	Oct/22	%
Moldova	34.62	33.97	Oct/22	%
Turkey	84.39	85.51	Nov/22	%

 

 

 

Yes, the UK is about in the middle .

The above is the E.U , G7 isnt the E.U

[Kwasaki]

9 minutes ago, superal said:

European inflation rates 2022

Country	Last	Previous	Reference	Unit
Liechtenstein	3	3.3	Oct/22	%
Switzerland	3	3	Nov/22	%
Luxembourg	6	6.9	Nov/22	%
France	6.2	6.2	Nov/22	%
Spain	6.8	7.3	Nov/22	%
Malta	7.4	7.4	Oct/22	%
Norway	7.5	6.9	Oct/22	%
Albania	8.3	8.1	Oct/22	%
Finland	8.3	8.1	Oct/22	%
Cyprus	8.7	8.8	Nov/22	%
Faroe Islands	8.8	7.3	Sep/22	%
Greece	9.1	12	Oct/22	%
Ireland	9.2	8.2	Oct/22	%
Iceland	9.3	9.4	Nov/22	%
Netherlands	9.9	14.3	Nov/22	%
Portugal	9.9	10.1	Nov/22	%
Euro Area	10	10.6	Nov/22	%
Germany	10	10.4	Nov/22	%
Slovenia	10	9.9	Nov/22	%
Denmark	10.1	10	Oct/22	%
Austria	10.6	11	Nov/22	%
Belgium	10.63	12.27	Nov/22	%
Sweden	10.9	10.8	Oct/22	%
United Kingdom	11.1	10.1	Oct/22	%
European Union	11.5	10.9	Oct/22	%
Italy	11.8	11.8	Nov/22	%
Russia	12.6	13.7	Oct/22	%
Kosovo	12.7	12.7	Oct/22	%
Croatia	13.2	12.8	Oct/22	%
Slovakia	14.9	14.2	Oct/22	%
Serbia	15	14	Oct/22	%
Czech Republic	15.1	18	Oct/22	%
Belarus	15.2	17.4	Oct/22	%
Romania	15.32	15.88	Oct/22	%
Montenegro	16.8	16	Oct/22	%
Bosnia and Herzegovina	17.4	17.3	Oct/22	%
Poland	17.4	17.9	Nov/22	%
Bulgaria	17.6	18.7	Oct/22	%
Macedonia	19.5	19.8	Nov/22	%
Estonia	21.3	22.5	Nov/22	%
Latvia	21.8	22.2	Oct/22	%
Hungary	22.5	21.1	Nov/22	%
Lithuania	22.9	23.6	Nov/22	%
Ukraine	26.6	24.6	Oct/22	%
Moldova	34.62	33.97	Oct/22	%
Turkey	84.39	85.51	Nov/22	%

 

 

 

So basically remainers are eluding themselves.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just keep going around and around in circles :

The UK isn't doing worse than every other Country in Europe.

 

And if we had remained in the EU, other things being equal, we would be doing better than our European neighbours.

[Kwasaki]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

And if we had remained in the EU, other things being equal, we would be doing better than our European neighbours.

Pointless in thinking that way UK  didn't remain. 

[jak2002003]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

^ A Remainer giving his view of Brexit in a remainer newspaper with its readers wanting to read anti brexit opinions 

Wow.  I see how it's all become like a religion to you.  I think even if there were 100 percent unequivocally accurate facts to say leaving the EU was the main reason the UK is struggling more than other countries, you could not accept it.  ????

[Kwasaki]

Just now, jak2002003 said:

Wow.  I see how it's all become like a religion to you.  I think even if there were 100 percent unequivocally accurate facts to say leaving the EU was the main reason the UK is struggling more than other countries, you could not accept it.  ????

I think you are deluded how can there be 100% facts. 

Give it more time before UK gets the I told you so. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 minutes ago, RayC said:

And if we had remained in the EU, other things being equal, we would be doing better than our European neighbours.

Who knows, but the UK left the E.U and now we are getting on with it and moving forward, rather than looking back 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

Been a while since you played the 'Balotelli card'. 

 

In case you've forgotten, the 'Withdrawal Agreement' was agreed and signed off by your hero, Johnson, a Brexiter.

Well who could forget that? The WA was just a slightly revised mess that was conceived by May and the EU. To restart the whole process would have taken another age. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

Hmmmm... You want me to read through 50 pages in this thread to find a graph you say you posted.....? No thanks. 

 

As i guessed you could not be bothered to show me a link to support your claim. 

 

Here is a link to support mine. Does  it take a moment...unlike reading through hundreds of posts. 

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/british-economy-worst-hit-in-g7-as-brexit-political-chaos-bite/6845814.html

 

G7 is not the 27.

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Wow.  I see how it's all become like a religion to you.  I think even if there were 100 percent unequivocally accurate facts to say leaving the EU was the main reason the UK is struggling more than other countries, you could not accept it.  ????

Of course I wouldn't accept that because it wouldn't be true .

The UK ISNT struggling more than other Countries and the main two reasons for the current woes are Covid and Ukraine 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Well, it depends how one looks at it, as it may vary over time. It's still worse than Eurozone and several countries for catching-up after the Codid crisis.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Q3 2022 compared with Q4 2019. Cherry picking at its pathetic zenith! ????

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Of course I wouldn't accept that because it wouldn't be true .

The UK ISNT struggling more than other Countries and the main two reasons for the current woes are Covid and Ukraine 

It is, there are three reasons, you forgot brexit.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

Hmmmm... You want me to read through 50 pages in this thread to find a graph you say you posted.....? No thanks. 

 

As i guessed you could not be bothered to show me a link to support your claim. 

 

If I keep posting the same graph over and over again, I will get in trouble or spamming . If you cannot be bothered to look through the thread, why should I be bothered to repost it again ?

   Another poster has kindly posted the graph again above .

[Kwasaki]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Q3 2022 compared with Q4 2019. Cherry picking at its pathetic zenith! ????

Zenith it not such a bad carburetor. ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

G7 is not the 27.

Nearly 1500 posts in this thread and there's still some confusion about the differences between the E.U and G7 and some posters dont realise that the statement *The U.K is doing worse than all the other E.U Countries because the U.K is at the bottom of a G7 list*  makes no sense at all 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, the UK had a higher growth previously , and so the fall seems greater http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02784/assets/16e07b7d-1983-4b51-8fb6-c40b61a04f4a.png

 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Q3 2022 compared with Q4 2019. Cherry picking at its pathetic zenith! ????

It seems you (don't want to) understand. 

"Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q3 2022 was 0.4% lower."

It is not comparing the growth rate of Q3 2022 with the growth rate in Q4 2019, it is comparing the LEVEL (value) of GDP.

It means the UK has still not caught up to the LEVEL of GDP it had at the end of 1999. In other words, the UK is 0.4% poorer (measured by GDP) than it was at the end of 1999, while the Eurozone or other countries listed have a higher GDP level than at the end of 1999.

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

[RayC]

46 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Who knows, but the UK left the E.U and now we are getting on with it and moving forward, rather than looking back 

Sunny uplands, here we come!

 

Err.... any idea when we might arrive there?