Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Phoenix Rising]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Somebody is telling you porkies.

Bigly big porkies!

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The Common market had purpose, but the failed experiment of political and monetary union was a huge mistake. Britain should never have agreed to it and is well out of it, IMO.

 

Yes, very well it seems....

 

Brexit and the economy: the hit has been ‘substantially negative’

UK economy heavily hit by Brexit, new research finds

Brits are starting to think again about Brexit as the economy slides into recession

 

Etc, etc, etc.

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s absolutely correct, the UK population lead down the path into a Brexit that benefits the Hedge Fund Managers who financially backed Brexit while placing bets against the UK.

 

Ker-Ching!

 

 

Game, set and match!

[Kwasaki]

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Somebody is telling you porkies.

All news reports i take with a pinch of salt the same as threads on here. ????

The only one I believe and knows everything is me. ????????????

[bannork]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“British exports now face full EU customs and sanitary checks that increase costs and delays, making low-margin products unprofitable.”

 

Well, yes.

 

The UK left the EU and is subject to ‘Third Nation’ regulations when trading with the EU.

 

This was always going to be the case, it was clearly stated by the EU and it was repeatedly stated by the Remain Campaign, you’ll find it filed under ‘Project Fear’.

 

The Leave Campaign made baseless claims that post Brexit the UK could have favorable trade with the EU, you’ll find those filed under ‘Project Unicorn’, sub-folder ‘Cake’.

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/15-things-uk-vote-leave-promised-on-brexit-and-what-it-got/

 

The Brexiteers suffer from exceptionalism: ' We're special, the EU can't treat us as a third country, they need us, we're above the rules for others '

Wrong!

 

[Kwasaki]

22 minutes ago, bannork said:

The Brexiteers suffer from exceptionalism: ' We're special, the EU can't treat us as a third country, they need us, we're above the rules for others '

Wrong!

 

The UK is special throughout history they have never got on with all the foreign filth. ????????

[Phoenix Rising]

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

The UK is special throughout history they have never got on with all the foreign filth. ????????

And still the Brexiteers are completely shocked by the fact that many EU nations enjoy having the Brits over a barrel!

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

And still the Brexiteers are completely shocked by the fact that many EU nations enjoy having the Brits over a barrel!

Another disillusioned remainer or foreign poster, sad.

[Phoenix Rising]

6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Another disillusioned remainer or foreign poster, sad.

Remain? You already left. Rejoin is the new word, and rejoin you will.

[Mac Mickmanus]

22 hours ago, RayC said:

The opposition parties were against Brexit therefore why would you expect them to vote in favour of leaving?

 

The Tories stood on a manifesto of implementing Brexit. May's deal would have done that but it wasn't 'hard' enough for the 'Flat Earthers'. If they had supported May, the deal would have passed.

 

This whole mess has been of the Tories own making from beginning to end.

You are re writing history . 

Brexit wasn't a Conservative /Labour issue with people from either side of that divide voting on either side of the Brexit question .

   Many Labour supports wanted Brexit and they only voted Conservative in *whenever it was* because Conservative vowed to follow the will of the people and get Brexit done and Labour didn't give those assurances and thus many Labour voters voter Tory on that occasion 

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[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

The Brexiteers suffer from exceptionalism: ' We're special, the EU can't treat us as a third country, they need us, we're above the rules for others '

Wrong!

 

You have made up a quote and attributed the made up quote to 17 million people and saying they are wrong .

   Brexiteers voted to be regarded as being a "third Country" and that is how we want to be treated and we don't want to disregard any rules

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You are re writing history . 

Brexit wasn't a Conservative /Labour issue with people from either side of that divide voting on either side of the Brexit question .

   Many Labour supports wanted Brexit and they only voted Conservative in *whenever it was* because Conservative vowed to follow the will of the people and get Brexit done and Labour didn't give those assurances and thus many Labour voters voter Tory on that occasion 

I am not re-writing history and not for the first time you are deliberately misrepresenting one of my comments. 

 

In the first place, my comment mentioned the opposition parties, not the voters and not just the Labour party. The SNP, LibDems and Greens were clear in their opposition to Brexit. It might be argued that Corbyn was lukewarm in his opposition but, officially Labour was against it, and only a handful of Labour MPs were active Brexiters.

 

In any event, no political party other than the Tories would have held a Brexit referendum. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

I am not re-writing history and not for the first time you are deliberately misrepresenting one of my comments. 

 

In the first place, my comment mentioned the opposition parties, not the voters and not just the Labour party. The SNP, LibDems and Greens were clear in their opposition to Brexit. It might be argued that Corbyn was lukewarm in his opposition but, officially Labour was against it, and only a handful of Labour MPs were active Brexiters.

 

In any event, no political party other than the Tories would have held a Brexit referendum. 

The Conservative leader David Cameroon was also opposed to Brexit and Labour was neutral and sat on the fence 

   M.P's from the different partys all had their views on Brexit and it wasn't Pro Brexit Conservatives V Everyone else wants to Remain .

   Conservatives were the only political party who would listen  to the voters and that's why they got elected , Brexit Labour voters voted Conservative that time, for the sole reason that Labour refused to listen to the voters .

   Labour/Corby kept changing their mind about whether they wanted to remain or leave 

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It hasn’t failed.

 

In process.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, bannork said:

The Brexiteers suffer from exceptionalism: ' We're special, the EU can't treat us as a third country, they need us, we're above the rules for others '

Wrong!

 

If you had been in Dad's Army you would have been Pike.

[RayC]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Conservative leader David Cameroon was also opposed to Brexit and Labour was neutral and sat on the fence 

   M.P's from the different partys all had their views on Brexit and it wasn't Pro Brexit Conservatives V Everyone else wants to Remain .

   Conservatives were the only political party who would listen  to the voters and that's why they got elected , Brexit Labour voters voted Conservative that time, for the sole reason that Labour refused to listen to the voters .

   Labour/Corby kept changing their mind about whether they wanted to remain or leave 

All well and good and I agree with some elements of what you say. 

 

However, this has nothing to do with my original point that May's deal was scuppered by the ERG. The resulting Withdrawal Agreement and subsequent mess is of the Tories own making.

 

They, and they alone, are responsible and accountable. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

All well and good and I agree with some elements of what you say. 

 

However, this has nothing to do with my original point that May's deal was scuppered by the ERG. The resulting Withdrawal Agreement and subsequent mess is of the Tories own making.

 

They, and they alone, are responsible and accountable. 

As I pointed out previously , there were 60 ERG  MPs who voted out of 650 voters , so it was the other 590 MPs who were primarily responsible for the vote .

   

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yes, very well it seems....

 

Brexit and the economy: the hit has been ‘substantially negative’

UK economy heavily hit by Brexit, new research finds

Brits are starting to think again about Brexit as the economy slides into recession

 

Etc, etc, etc.

Carry on banging that drum by all means, but there is IMO no going back to it. Rather than bleating on constantly, UK citizens should be working to make Britain better, but so much easier to just moan about the "good old days" when Britain was ruled by Brussels.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

The SNP, LibDems and Greens were clear in their opposition to Brexit.

Ah, so the greens wanted to remain, so they had to be on the side of angels, 5555555555.

I'm not familiar with the UK greens but if anything like the attrocity they are here I'd vote against them just on principle.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

27 other member states and (currently) 6 candidate states don't agree with you 

If they want to remain or join what else would they say? Hardly a good argument against Brexit.

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10 hours ago, bannork said:

The Brexiteers suffer from exceptionalism: ' We're special, the EU can't treat us as a third country, they need us, we're above the rules for others '

Wrong!

 

 

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You have made up a quote and attributed the made up quote to 17 million people and saying they are wrong .

   Brexiteers voted to be regarded as being a "third Country" and that is how we want to be treated and we don't want to disregard any rules

EU needs us more than we need it, says Vote Leave

"We are the fifth largest economy in the world. We will be able to have a decent deal with the EU", said John Moynihan, speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"The EU needs a trade deal with us more than we need a trade deal with them".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35409274

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

 

EU needs us more than we need it, says Vote Leave

"We are the fifth largest economy in the world. We will be able to have a decent deal with the EU", said John Moynihan, speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"The EU needs a trade deal with us more than we need a trade deal with them".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35409274

That is from 7 years ago !!!!!!!!

From January 16 th 2016

I thought that you were talking about modern times, rather than historic statements

 

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is from 7 years ago !!!!!!!!

From January 16 th 2016

I thought that you were talking about modern times, rather than historic statements

 

Well, of course it's from almost 7 years ago. You know, before Brexit actually was voted for.

Of course, no one is saying it now. The consequences of Brexit are way too apparent. Instead, Brexiters accuse the EU of being vindictive.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, of course it's from almost 7 years ago. You know, before Brexit actually was voted for.

Of course, no one is saying it now. The consequences of Brexit are way too apparent. Instead, Brexiters accuse the EU of being vindictive.

OK, I do think that he should have written it as a past tense, rather than a current tense to show that he was referring to historic  old statements . 

[RayC]

8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

As I pointed out previously , there were 60 ERG  MPs who voted out of 650 voters , so it was the other 590 MPs who were primarily responsible for the vote .

   

If straw-clutching and/or pedancy ever become Olympic event(s), then you must be in with a real chance of becoming gold medalist!

 

Yes, what you say is correct in purely numeric terms.

 

However, I'll repeat: The opposition parties were opposed to the UK leaving the EU. Therefore, unsurprisingly, they voted against doing so.

 

As a group within the governing Tory party, the ERG were in favour of leaving the EU. Therefore, I would expect them to vote in favour of a deal which does just that. They didn't and the May administration fell.

 

If the ERG had voted in favour of the deal, it would have passed irrespective of how the opposition MPs had voted. 

 

It remains a mystery why the ERG didn't vote for May's deals. After all, throughout the Brexit campaign, Brexiters continually reiterated that they knew what they were voting for! (To be clear, this is a sarcastic comment).

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7 minutes ago, RayC said:

If straw-clutching and/or pedancy ever become Olympic event(s), then you must be in with a real chance of becoming gold medalist!

 

Yes, what you say is correct in purely numeric terms.

 

However, I'll repeat: The opposition parties were opposed to the UK leaving the EU. Therefore, unsurprisingly, they voted against doing so.

 

As a group within the governing Tory party, the ERG were in favour of leaving the EU. Therefore, I would expect them to vote in favour of a deal which does just that. They didn't and the May administration fell.

 

If the ERG had voted in favour of the deal, it would have passed irrespective of how the opposition MPs had voted. 

 

It remains a mystery why the ERG didn't vote for May's deals. After all, throughout the Brexit campaign, Brexiters continually reiterated that they knew what they were voting for! (To be clear, this is a sarcastic comment).

Of course they knew what they were voting for. As Brexiters repeatedly say, "Brexit means Brexit."

[bannork]

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

If you had been in Dad's Army you would have been Pike.

That hurt.

I rather see myself as Pike's uncle, the relaxed Wilson, or more gloomily, 'We're all doomed' Frazer.

[RayC]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Carry on banging that drum by all means, but there is IMO no going back to it. Rather than bleating on constantly, UK citizens should be working to make Britain better, but so much easier to just moan about the "good old days" when Britain was ruled by Brussels.

There is always the option to admit a mistake was made and reverse it. However in any event, the UK government could make things better currently by encouraging better relations with the EU.

 

It's the height of irony for Brexiters to accuse Remainers of longing for the "good old days"????