‘What if the worst had happened?’ Trudeau defends convoy response

[Scott]

 

OTTAWA, Ont. — Canada’s prime minister says he is “serene and confident” in his decision to invoke never-before-used emergency powers to end a protest of pandemic public health measures that occupied the nation’s capital for three weeks last winter.

Justin Trudeau told a public inquiry Friday that he had to consider what might happen if he didn’t take action to end the so-called Freedom Convoy occupation.

 

“What if the worst had happened in those following days?

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trudeau-defends-freedom-convoy-emergencies-act-00070826

 

 

[300sd]

The worst is happening. He is ruining the country with his WEF agenda 

[JCauto]

4 hours ago, 300sd said:

The worst is happening. He is ruining the country with his WEF agenda 

Yes, you can tell by the way he was summarily drummed out of power by an enraged populace after his first term. Wonder how he ended up with a majority government until 2025?

 

These "Freedom Convoy" idiots were causing a public nuisance at the direction of Far Right organizations and individuals. If they want to live life in a Right-Wing dystopia, the should move South. 

[Mad mick]

He Tredeau is

brutal tyrannical nutter WEF ????????WHO Woke  Member ,.. Same as US Biden Australia under Morrison Lnp Feds Gov/ now Alp Governments NZ ,EU , UK WEF CCP ???????? Collaborators 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Mad mick

[koolkarl]

What do you expect from a high school drama teacher?  He freaked out over a few truckers peacefully demonstrating.  Rioting is the only thing politicians are afraid of except in this case the truckers were not rioting.  Another paranoid dictator like his father who started Canada on the road to perdition. 

[Scott Tracy]

Wow. Calm down boyz. Have some ganja.

[blazes]

1 hour ago, JCauto said:

Yes, you can tell by the way he was summarily drummed out of power by an enraged populace after his first term. Wonder how he ended up with a majority government until 2025?

 

These "Freedom Convoy" idiots were causing a public nuisance at the direction of Far Right organizations and individuals. If they want to live life in a Right-Wing dystopia, the should move South. 

clearly, you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about (and should be ashamed of your ignorance - especially when it is so clearly just that, ignorance).

 Trudeau was indeed voted out in 2019, and had to try and govern with a minority.  Seeing that minority government made it difficult to be a dictator, he called another election in 2021, after scattering dollars from helicopters during the pandemic.  Once again, the people rejected him, and he was forced to make "friends" with the NDP, a minor party who have agreed, in return for some social goodies, to support him and keep him in government until 2025.

Clear now?

As for your "idiots" comment: you have not the faintest idea how a modern capitalist society operates.  Without thousands of truckers delivering the goods day after day, year after year, at great risk to their own health, the comfortable life you enjoy in your urban setting would be impossible.

Think about it.

Sorry if it's confusing....

[JCauto]

18 minutes ago, blazes said:

clearly, you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about (and should be ashamed of your ignorance - especially when it is so clearly just that, ignorance).

 Trudeau was indeed voted out in 2019, and had to try and govern with a minority.  Seeing that minority government made it difficult to be a dictator, he called another election in 2021, after scattering dollars from helicopters during the pandemic.  Once again, the people rejected him, and he was forced to make "friends" with the NDP, a minor party who have agreed, in return for some social goodies, to support him and keep him in government until 2025.

Clear now?

As for your "idiots" comment: you have not the faintest idea how a modern capitalist society operates.  Without thousands of truckers delivering the goods day after day, year after year, at great risk to their own health, the comfortable life you enjoy in your urban setting would be impossible.

Think about it.

Sorry if it's confusing....

Oh really? So after your long explanation, you finally arrive at the fact that he will be in government until 2025 after winning an election and forming a long-term coalition majority government (with the furthest Left-Wing party, the NDP) which is how parliamentary systems work. Seems a bit wordy to come around to the same conclusion.

 

What you don't understand is that the "Freedom Convoy" truckers were a tiny minority who were opposed by the majority of truckers and the population at large whose lives they were disrupting over a BS protest instigated by people who had no understanding of the issue they were protesting against (COVID-19 vaccination mandates and lockdowns) and which was heavily supported via funding and media amplification from the Right-Wing in the USA. These Canadian protesters included a similar cast of clownish characters to those who emerged from the swamp in the USA including the self-appointed "Queen of Canada", a Filipina QAnon nutter who seems to be able to command a number of the protesters and a few others who are noted fraudsters. During their court appearances, the husband of one of the main organizers seemed confused as to which country he was in, citing his 1st Amendment Constitutional Right to free speech as the basis for the protest. Sure, tie your wagon to this motley crew if you like, they make Roger Stone appear dignified and composed.

[blazes]

31 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Oh really? So after your long explanation, you finally arrive at the fact that he will be in government until 2025 after winning an election and forming a long-term coalition majority government (with the furthest Left-Wing party, the NDP) which is how parliamentary systems work. Seems a bit wordy to come around to the same conclusion.

 

What you don't understand is that the "Freedom Convoy" truckers were a tiny minority who were opposed by the majority of truckers and the population at large whose lives they were disrupting over a BS protest instigated by people who had no understanding of the issue they were protesting against (COVID-19 vaccination mandates and lockdowns) and which was heavily supported via funding and media amplification from the Right-Wing in the USA. These Canadian protesters included a similar cast of clownish characters to those who emerged from the swamp in the USA including the self-appointed "Queen of Canada", a Filipina QAnon nutter who seems to be able to command a number of the protesters and a few others who are noted fraudsters. During their court appearances, the husband of one of the main organizers seemed confused as to which country he was in, citing his 1st Amendment Constitutional Right to free speech as the basis for the protest. Sure, tie your wagon to this motley crew if you like, they make Roger Stone appear dignified and composed.

Again , ignorance of the situation in Canada.  This last week has been taken up with a parliamentary inquiry into why Trudeau found it necessary to proclaim the Emergencies Act.  In the course of the week, senior police and security officials have admitted that there was no foreign interference.

Also, to correct you further (surely you  must be American?), the (Canadian) truckers were being forced to be vaccinated if they wanted access to Canada.

They were specifically protesting the denial of their right to work and make a living bringing in provisions to all Canadians. 

Before demonstrating your ignorance, it would be advisable to do some reading on the subject, especially since this has been leading the news all week in all media in Canada.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, Mad mick said:

He Tredeau is

brutal tyrannical nutter WEF ????????WHO Woke  Member ,.. Same as US Biden Australia under Morrison Lnp Feds Gov/ now Alp Governments NZ ,EU , UK WEF CCP ???????? Collaborators 

Right. He's the nutter as your highly rational post demonstrates.

[placeholder]

41 minutes ago, blazes said:

Again , ignorance of the situation in Canada.  This last week has been taken up with a parliamentary inquiry into why Trudeau found it necessary to proclaim the Emergencies Act.  In the course of the week, senior police and security officials have admitted that there was no foreign interference.

Also, to correct you further (surely you  must be American?), the (Canadian) truckers were being forced to be vaccinated if they wanted access to Canada.

They were specifically protesting the denial of their right to work and make a living bringing in provisions to all Canadians. 

Before demonstrating your ignorance, it would be advisable to do some reading on the subject, especially since this has been leading the news all week in all media in Canada.

Right. Because it was so unusual for countries to demand that people entering their borders be vaccinated? You really want to characterize that as truckers  being denied the right to work? It is to laugh.

[bobbin]

3 hours ago, Mad mick said:

He Tredeau is

brutal tyrannical nutter WEF ????????WHO Woke  Member ,.. Same as US Biden Australia under Morrison Lnp Feds Gov/ now Alp Governments NZ ,EU , UK WEF CCP ???????? Collaborators 

Did you forget anybody?

 

????

[blazes]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Right. Because it was so unusual for countries to demand that people entering their borders be vaccinated? You really want to characterize that as truckers  being denied the right to work? It is to laugh.

Yes, because those same truckers were not denied entry into the US of A, whereas they were denied entry, if unvaccinated, into Canada.  Not only did this insane demand threaten loss of jobs in Canada, many businesses suffered financial loss by the holding-up of trucks at the border.  (Just by the way, those truckers were the least likely travellers to cause the spread of the already-in-decline virus. )

[candide]

1 hour ago, blazes said:

Yes, because those same truckers were not denied entry into the US of A, whereas they were denied entry, if unvaccinated, into Canada.  Not only did this insane demand threaten loss of jobs in Canada, many businesses suffered financial loss by the holding-up of trucks at the border.  (Just by the way, those truckers were the least likely travellers to cause the spread of the already-in-decline virus. )

Weren't 90% of truckers already vaccinated?

https://www.nytimes.com/article/canada-trucker-protests.html

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, blazes said:

Yes, because those same truckers were not denied entry into the US of A, whereas they were denied entry, if unvaccinated, into Canada.  Not only did this insane demand threaten loss of jobs in Canada, many businesses suffered financial loss by the holding-up of trucks at the border.  (Just by the way, those truckers were the least likely travellers to cause the spread of the already-in-decline virus. )

Your claim about unvaccinated truckers not being denied entry into the USA is BS

"The demonstrations began in late January after the United States and Canada imposed a new rule requiring cross-border truck drivers to be fully vaccinated to enter their respective countries."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/freedom-convoy-ottawa-canada-vaccine/

 

Except for a few folks like you and those recalcitrant truckers, I guess pretty the whole world went insane by excluding the unvaccinated from crossing their borders. Or maybe you're not reporting from Planet Earth?

 

[JCauto]

3 hours ago, blazes said:

Again , ignorance of the situation in Canada.  This last week has been taken up with a parliamentary inquiry into why Trudeau found it necessary to proclaim the Emergencies Act.  In the course of the week, senior police and security officials have admitted that there was no foreign interference.

Also, to correct you further (surely you  must be American?), the (Canadian) truckers were being forced to be vaccinated if they wanted access to Canada.

They were specifically protesting the denial of their right to work and make a living bringing in provisions to all Canadians. 

Before demonstrating your ignorance, it would be advisable to do some reading on the subject, especially since this has been leading the news all week in all media in Canada.

Yeah, sorry dude, references before BS. "No foreign interference"? That's easily debunked with the most basic google search. Link to a credible source please.  As to "the (Canadian) truckers were being forced to be vaccinated if they wanted access to Canada", please note the following sentence.

 

THE USA DOES NOT ALLOW UNVACCINATED CANADIAN TRUCKERS TO ENTER THE USA AND HASN'T ALLOWED THIS SINCE JANUARY 2022!!!!

 

So whom is it you are referring to that can't get into Canada from the USA? How did they get there in the first place? How many people are we talking about, and as per the rules, they're only allowed one entry anyway at which point they're not allowed to enter the USA until they get vaccinated. Or are we talking about people who lie about their vaccination status to get into the USA thereby breaking the law so then have to produce evidence of said lie when returning to Canada? Boo hoo. Do the crime, do the time.

 

So there is a certain phrase applicable here, but I won't Say That For Usual reasons.

 

[Stargeezr]

Justin Trudeau would not be in power if the LDP party leader, Jagmeet Singh did not support him.

The,  What If,  PM is very arrogent, and is hopefully voted out during the next election.

 Yes I am Canadian, and do not like this guy, any more than the Thais like their present PM/GM.

  Enuff Said.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Stargeezr said:

Justin Trudeau would not be in power if the LDP party leader, Jagmeet Singh did not support him.

The,  What If,  PM is very arrogent, and is hopefully voted out during the next election.

 Yes I am Canadian, and do not like this guy, any more than the Thais like their present PM/GM.

  Enuff Said.

False equivalence

[Northstar1]

Peaceful demonstration?

how would you like 100s of truckers parked outside your house honking horns all night long? Or the others blocking the bridge in Windsor halting millions of dollars in trade every hour?

trudeau was elected because the people had enough of the conservatives! Rinse and repeat for the next election 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, JCauto said:

Yes, you can tell by the way he was summarily drummed out of power by an enraged populace after his first term. Wonder how he ended up with a majority government until 2025?

Canny politicians can pull the wool over voters eyes for a while. Tony Blair certainly did so in his second election.

[Phnom Penh Trader]

Has there ever been a more pathetic and hypocritical Mangina Simp than muppet Trudeau and his virtue signalling BS,despite regularly dressing in Blackface?

I would seriously love to punch him straight in his gimpy face this utter Illuminati halfwit POS!

[JCauto]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Canny politicians can pull the wool over voters eyes for a while. Tony Blair certainly did so in his second election.

Sure, this is why they become politicians. I think though that for Canada there are other cyclical forces at play where the general vox populi shifts to the Left or to the Right for longer periods of time (but fortunately does so around a fairly tight band so there aren't many extremes on either side). Canada seems to give whomever gets elected quite a long spell at the plate for whatever reasons, with Trudeau the Elder, Brian Mulroney, Jean Cretien (pardon Jean, can't find the accent), Stephen Harper and now Trudeau the Younger having terms of almost 10 years or longer. Also happened a lot in the past. When someone becomes Canadian PM you really have to mess up big to get voted out, and when you do your party has to be in the wilderness for a while before they get back in.

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, zyphodb said:

With an experimental vaccine? I don't think so, not all of us are stupid enough to go along with being guinea pigs for big pharma.  

 And looking at all the unexplained deaths around the world I'd say we were right too...

Wow, they still exist! Must be a bit lonelier than before though, with so many of your fellow conspiracists having mysteriously died from a coughing ailment of some sort that seemed to be going around. Can't quite put my finger on what it was...

Your ridiculous claims of victory are fully expected too, the scientific community forecast that as well. You won't of course grace us with a scientific publication that demonstrates your wisdom, because of course such things do not exist. I could start listing them and fill this page, but I'll just link to a few so you get the picture. First, the Lancet, which is a highly respected medical journal from the UK:

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext

Next, this is a big one that is cited widely by Andrew Stokes, which looked at County level data from the USA and found that COVID-19 deaths were WIDELY UNDER-REPORTED, as per his conclusion:

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003571

 

"In this study, we found that direct COVID-19 death counts in the US in 2020 substantially underestimated total excess mortality attributable to COVID-19. Racial and socioeconomic inequities in COVID-19 mortality also increased when excess deaths not assigned to COVID-19 were considered. Our results highlight the importance of considering health equity in the policy response to the pandemic."

[JCauto]

8 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

Justin Trudeau would not be in power if the LDP party leader, Jagmeet Singh did not support him.

The,  What If,  PM is very arrogent, and is hopefully voted out during the next election.

 Yes I am Canadian, and do not like this guy, any more than the Thais like their present PM/GM.

  Enuff Said.

I think you may be mixing up your countries; Jagmeet Singh is the leader of the New Democrat Party, or NDP. The Liberal Democrat Party is in the United Kingdom. Try to keep up.

[Phnom Penh Trader]

4 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Tell us how you really feel! Your witty and trenchant post demonstrates a subtle understanding and knowledge of politics that exceeds most observers and seems to demand a higher level publication aimed at the intellects able to absorb such galaxy-brain thought. Could you dumb it down for the rest of us?

Are you the pub bore?

[JCauto]

13 hours ago, JCauto said:

THE USA DOES NOT ALLOW UNVACCINATED CANADIAN TRUCKERS TO ENTER THE USA AND HASN'T ALLOWED THIS SINCE JANUARY 2022!!!!

 

Yo! Blazes! Where's your response to this? If the unvaccinated Canadian Truckers were not allowed into the USA because of the rules of the USA, who are these unvaccinated Canadian Truckers who can't get back into Canada? 

[Saanim]

16 hours ago, placeholder said:

Right. Because it was so unusual for countries to demand that people entering their borders be vaccinated?

Is this rule also applied at immigrants?  

[Rimmer]

Some bickering posts leading to personal attacks have been removed, also quoted replies.

 

EDIT

Some more off topic bickering posts have again been removed, keep this up and there will be consequences

[blazes]

1 hour ago, JCauto said:

Yo! Blazes! Where's your response to this? If the unvaccinated Canadian Truckers were not allowed into the USA because of the rules of the USA, who are these unvaccinated Canadian Truckers who can't get back into Canada? 

You tell me what an unvaccinated Canadian was doing in the USA in the first  place.  All I know (which you can easily confirm by consulting news outlets at the time) is that one of the main impulses behind the convoy was the huge delays caused by  the prevention of unvaccinated Canadian truckers re-entering their own country.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Rimmer
Flames edited out!!!

[JCauto]

41 minutes ago, blazes said:

You tell me what an unvaccinated Canadian was doing in the USA in the first  place.  All I know (which you can easily confirm by consulting news outlets at the time) is that one of the main impulses behind the convoy was the huge delays caused by  the prevention of unvaccinated Canadian truckers re-entering their own country.

You have yet to provide any references demonstrating that the Freedom Convoy was anything other than what I have characterized it as being - a tiny minority of truckers who were opposed both by the majority of truckers whose lives they were disrupting (since over 85% of the truckers were already vaccinated, hence the protests were not allowing them to do their jobs and transport goods across the border) and whose actions were heavily funded, influenced by and disseminated by the US Right. "All I know" is not a valid argument or counterpoint. Recall that the Right-Wing media were widely broadcasting pro-Freedom Convoy views and reports on both sides of the border - if you're a regular reader or viewer of this media, you would of course remember that information. What's important in debate is providing valid references from credible organizations.

You are the one who claimed that unvaccinated Canadian truckers were the main group protesting and how the unjust vaccination rules imposed by the Canadian government were the cause of that protest. I pointed out that the rules requiring truckers to cross the border were imposed by both the US and Canadian governments in January 2022, prior to the protests. Those rules requiring truckers to be vaccinated remain in place and never changed. Hence there could ONLY be a small group of truckers who had somehow entered the USA unvaccinated prior to January 2022 who then wanted to return who were affected. From that point onwards, there would be nobody who followed the law who was unvaccinated who came in from the USA. 

So when you state this as the main cause for the Freedom Convoy protestors, and I challenge it with evidence that this could not be the case, you would normally either provide such evidence or concede that your point was incorrect. You don't turn around and say "you prove my point for me after you've already disproved it". That's very circular logic.