Bank insists I wear a mask

[Rimmer]

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[ThaiFelix]

On 12/6/2022 at 12:32 AM, ozimoron said:

In her eyes you were already wearing one.

An excellent and justified retort! 

 

What the <deleted> is wrong with these people?  Why is it so damn difficult to wear a mask.

[lkn]

2 hours ago, FarAway said:

1. Allows him to fly without VAXX pass and COVID test with airplanes within Thailand due to Freedom Of Movement

This is not how constitutional guaranteed “freedom of movement” works.

 

Think about it, I could drive around drunk without a driver’s license and just claim “freedom of movement”, or I could refuse to show my passport or have my bags scanned in the airport, and again claim “freedom of movement”.

[lkn]

As for OP’s question, I’ve now been to 3 bank branches without a mask, and nothing was said about it.

 

First time I did apologise for having forgotten my mask, and they just replied with a ไม่เป็นไร (“never mind”), so while it seems that having staff wear a mask is still company policy, it’s not mandatory for customers, in the places I have visited (Kasikorn + Krungthai).

 

[Will B Good]

My local bank wouldn’t serve me until I put on a mask.

 

Jeeezzz........how ugly are you?

[billd766]

2 hours ago, FarAway said:

 

LOL. People like you are the main reason why we have the issues with these totalitarian governments and government-matrix-agents worldwide nowadays.

"If someone with authority comes to me I will obey" hahahaha damn, you must have a crooked backbone.

quote "People like you are the main reason why we have the issues with these totalitarian governments and government-matrix-agents worldwide nowadays."

 

???? ???? ????

 

Stupid people similar to you believe that they don't have to wear a mask to visit a bank, and get indignant and upset when they are not allowed to enter the bank without wearing a mask. They believe that it is an affront to their human rights and they demand, in their arrogance to be let in.

 

OTOH smart people put on a mask for the period that they are in the bank. and take it off when they are outside again.

 

I guess that makes you one of the stupid people, that there is no hope for.

[brewsterbudgen]

23 minutes ago, lkn said:

As for OP’s question, I’ve now been to 3 bank branches without a mask, and nothing was said about it.

 

First time I did apologise for having forgotten my mask, and they just replied with a ไม่เป็นไร (“never mind”), so while it seems that having staff wear a mask is still company policy, it’s not mandatory for customers, in the places I have visited (Kasikorn + Krungthai).

 

Yes, things are improving.  Our local branch of Bangkok Bank no longer require customers to wear masks. Progress!

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, FarAway said:

 

Wait, France24 is "the only credible source" for you? ????

For me it is obviously the cognitiveresearchjournal, but well, you are a prime example of confirmation bias.

 

And the teenagers you are talking about just wear them out of social conformity, they are scared of being an outcast. You ever talked to them and asking them why they wear a mask? No. Most likely you cannot even speak Thai. Me neither by the way.

But my wife and her family often asked kids why they wear these masks and the answer is NEVER "because I am scared of COVID and want to proctect others" but always "because everyone does" or "because xyz(teacher, parents) told me to do"

Many of my Thai uni students make both points in the same sentence. They know well that Covid- 19 spreads easily and is serious, can cause death. I've had students mention they don't want their elderly not strong grandparents (who many live with) to get Covid- 19, they could die.

 

On the other hand there is also the 'follow the sheep' aspect.

 

And there's also the fashion item aspect. 

 

And the my mask has a fashion logo and the my mask cost more than yours aspect.

 

It's a mixed bag. 

[eisfeld]

7 hours ago, FarAway said:

If you are interested, I can ask my wife for the exact court case ruling number and you can print it out and take it to your bank.

Please provide the ruling or the source where you read about the ruling. I could not find anything.

 

The reason why I'm asking is because it sounds not very credible. The Freedom of Movement does not compell private companies to provide you with service if they don't want to. It's your own job to see that you have some mode of transport or you can walk. Private companies like airlines can refuse service if they don't like your attitude. Banks can refuse service if they don't like your clothes. Freedom of Movement and Freedom of Medical Choice does not mean I can walk into your house while I'm sick with a highly contagious disease whenever it pleases me and then ask you to drive me to Bangkok.

 

BTW I also could not find anything related to a Freedom of Medical Choice in the 2017 Consitution of Thailand.

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by eisfeld

[ThailandRyan]

6 hours ago, FarAway said:

 

Yes, many brainwashed so-called "authorities" might actually believe they are doing good.

But good intentions does not equal good actions.

You can sincerely believe doing something good while you are actually doing the opposite.

There are COUNTLESS examples for that in history.

 

And I am not just a tourist here. I have a Thai wife and a half-Thai child. I am staying here on a legal long-term-visa in my own property, so I am entitled to my own opinion and can act accordingly in this country without blindly bending over to others and following the herd. 

That being said, I would even always stand behind my ideals and moral grounds in any country that I am just a short-term tourist in. Morality and standing up for the right thing even if almost no one else is doing it have no time limit.

Your just a long term tourist as far as Thailand is concerned.  Unless you have a permanent residence card you have no rights in this country and can be asked to leave whenever they tire of us foreigners.  An extension of stay is just that a 1 year extension to stay in the country under the rules and regulations therein placed in the royal gazette.  I have a new LTR style visa which gives me a 5 year and then another 5 year period to stay in the country, but make no mistake I may live here but do know that I can be denied the ability to stay in a flash, no matter if I have a Thai wife and a half Thai child, own my condo and my house with a 30 year leasehold, all of that can evaporate in a minutes notice so acting commensurate with the population is always the best idea, when in rome.......

[ThailandRyan]

5 hours ago, lkn said:

This is not how constitutional guaranteed “freedom of movement” works.

 

Think about it, I could drive around drunk without a driver’s license and just claim “freedom of movement”, or I could refuse to show my passport or have my bags scanned in the airport, and again claim “freedom of movement”.

Don't forget that freedom of movement would be stopped and you would be asked to freely move, by escort of an officer, to the exit at a land border or airport and told your permission to stay had been terminated and you were unwelcome to return....

[edwardandtubs]

7 hours ago, FarAway said:

 

 

And the teenagers you are talking about just wear them out of social conformity, they are scared of being an outcast. You ever talked to them and asking them why they wear a mask? No. Most likely you cannot even speak Thai. Me neither by the way.

But my wife and her family often asked kids why they wear these masks and the answer is NEVER "because I am scared of COVID and want to proctect others" but always "because everyone does" or "because xyz(teacher, parents) told me to do"

Back in September 70% of Thais had already been infected by covid:

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/virologist-claims-70-percent-of-thais-may-have-been-infected-with-covid-19/

 

Now it's likely to be over 90%, just as it is in other countries. And kids are the most likely to catch it so almost all Thai kids have already had covid. This is the way out of the pandemic - building up population immunity - not by mass hysteria and anxiety and pointless mask wearing.

[ozimoron]

8 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

He's posted links.  Keep up!

From rubbish or sites containing language which undermines his narrative.

Edited December 13, 2022 by ozimoron

[BangkokReady]

On 12/5/2022 at 11:33 PM, edwardandtubs said:

It's definitely not the law so i assume there's a little online movement to try to get these filthy farangs into line.

Were there Thai people on the bus that were also not wearing face masks?

[billd766]

30 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Were there Thai people on the bus that were also not wearing face masks?

My pc has an ad blocker.

 

He has a mind blocker, so whatever you post in favour of common sense and mask wearing, he will mind block, because he does not agree with it, therefore you, me or anyone else are wrong and stupid.

 

He is already on my ignore list.

[Kwasaki]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

My pc has an ad blocker.

 

He has a mind blocker, so whatever you post in favour of common sense and mask wearing, he will mind block, because he does not agree with it, therefore you, me or anyone else are wrong and stupid.

 

He is already on my ignore list.

Probably someone who comes and goes Thailand thinks he knows it all,  you always will get one Bill. 

[edwardandtubs]

22 minutes ago, billd766 said:

My pc has an ad blocker.

 

He has a mind blocker, so whatever you post in favour of common sense and mask wearing, he will mind block, because he does not agree with it, therefore you, me or anyone else are wrong and stupid.

 

He is already on my ignore list.

I'm more than happy to debate mask wearing with anyone in an adult, open-minded manner. By putting me on your ignore list, you have proven yourself to be the one with the mind blocker.

[richard_smith237]

I wore a mask today for the first time in about 3 months. 

I’ve been flying in and out (to and from Middle East) - No mask wearing at the airport (BKK) or on the flights. 

 

I think the last time I wore a mask before today was on the BTS about 3 months ago...  I wore it because there was an announcement asking that people wear it (I’ve not been on the BTS since).

 

Then again today in a hospital, because its a hospital and there could be unwell or immune compromised people there. 

 

 

I don’t mind wearing a mask when its necessary... i.e. on Public transport I think its fair enough to wear a mask and in a hospital. But for other aspects of daily life I think we are past it. 

 

I’ve just been away for a few weeks... It's seems strange coming back to Thailand and everyone is still locked into the pandemic fear and wearing masks. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

I wore a mask today for the first time in about 3 months. 

I’ve been flying in and out (to and from Middle East) - No mask wearing at the airport (BKK) or on the flights. 

 

I think the last time I wore a mask before today was on the BTS about 3 months ago...  I wore it because there was an announcement asking that people wear it (I’ve not been on the BTS since).

 

Then again today in a hospital, because its a hospital and there could be unwell or immune compromised people there. 

 

 

I don’t mind wearing a mask when its necessary... i.e. on Public transport I think its fair enough to wear a mask and in a hospital. But for other aspects of daily life I think we are past it. 

 

I’ve just been away for a few weeks... It's seems strange coming back to Thailand and everyone is still locked into the pandemic fear and wearing masks.

You are aware there are immune compromised people all around you everywhere you go? You don't mind in a hospital but it's too hard in a crowded indoor area? The medical recommendations in Thailand and around the world still recommend masks in such areas.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, edwardandtubs said:

I'm more than happy to debate mask wearing with anyone in an adult, open-minded manner. By putting me on your ignore list, you have proven yourself to be the one with the mind blocker.

Your posts are without verifiable links, unless those statements you make are a personal opinion, if so agree to disagree and move along...

[richard_smith237]

Just now, ozimoron said:

You are aware there are immune compromised people all around you everywhere you go? You don't mind in a hospital but it's too hard in a crowded indoor area? The medical recommendations in Thailand and around the world still recommend masks in such areas.

We should all be walking around in Hazmat suits then !!!... 

 

I think common sense can be applied...  When the virus was serious being sanctimonious about mask wearing was justified... now it just seems like virtue signalling amongst those who are not aware of how things have moved on outside of Thailand. 

 

 

As I wrote - Wearing a mask on public transport makes sense - not for covid, but for any illness such as the common Cold and Flu...  And busy area’s too but there is also a balance with practicality. 

 

And of course at hospitals because there are unwell people there with weakened immune systems.

 

Anywhere else... those with weakened immune systems should be taking extra precautions to protect themselves...  as harsh as it sounds thats life.

 

Every other country I’ve been to in the last 6 months has moved away from mask wearing...  except Thailand...  it seems strange returning. 

 

That said, if I walk into a Bank or a Big-C etc and the staff are asking that we wear a mask, I’ll wear a mask... but otherwise I won’t. There’s no mask wearing at my Sons school either.. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

We should all be walking around in Hazmat suits then !!!... 

 

I think common sense can be applied...  When the virus was serious being sanctimonious about mask wearing was justified... now it just seems like virtue signalling amongst those who are not aware of how things have moved on outside of Thailand. 

 

 

As I wrote - Wearing a mask on public transport makes sense - not for covid, but for any illness such as the common Cold and Flu...  And busy area’s too but there is also a balance with practicality. 

 

And of course at hospitals because there are unwell people there with weakened immune systems.

 

Anywhere else... those with weakened immune systems should be taking extra precautions to protect themselves...  as harsh as it sounds thats life.

 

Every other country I’ve been to in the last 6 months has moved away from mask wearing...  except Thailand...  it seems strange returning. 

 

That said, if I walk into a Bank or a Big-C etc and the staff are asking that we wear a mask, I’ll wear a mask... but otherwise I won’t. There’s no mask wearing at my Sons school either..

Masks are equivalent to hazmat suits now? That religious fervor you have there is something else.

 

Exactly how does an immune compromised person (anybody with cancer or diabetes for example) go about protecting themselves from narcissists who refuse to wear masks when they are appropriate?

[edwardandtubs]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Masks are equivalent to hazmat suits now? That religious fervor you have there is something else.

 

Exactly how does an immune compromised person (anybody with cancer or diabetes for example) go about protecting themselves from narcissists who refuse to wear masks when they are appropriate?

Most people in the world have stopped wearing masks now. It's only China, Thailand and a handful of other countries where it's still common. So you're calling most people in the world narcissists.

 

As for how the immunocompromised protect themselves, if they wear a close-fitting N95 mask this provides extremely strong protection.

 

What you haven't explained though is at what stage it becomes acceptable to stop wearing masks. Clearly covid is with us for the rest of our lives so if not now then when?

Edited December 13, 2022 by edwardandtubs

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Masks are equivalent to hazmat suits now? That religious fervor you have there is something else.

 

Exactly how does an immune compromised person (anybody with cancer or diabetes for example) go about protecting themselves from narcissists who refuse to wear masks when they are appropriate?

You missed my point.....   IF we have to be concerned about the risk we may potentially pose to every single other person around us we’d have to take extreme measures....  (hazmat suits) and that is clearly not practical. 

 

Is mask wearing everywhere we go, in everything we do practical ?... I don’t think so.

 

Should we be wearing masks forever now ??...  everywhere we go in public ?...   

 

 

I’ll ignore your obvious bias and use of the word narcissist which lends nothing intelligent to the discussion...  ...but you do ask a reasonable question... ‘how does an immune compromised person go about protecting themselves ???....    

... How did they go about protecting themselves before Covid-19 ???

 

Would your argument therefore be, we should always have been wearing masks all the time, decades before Covid-19 ???? i.e. as soon as we knew what viruses are and how they are transmitted... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

38 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Most people in the world have stopped wearing masks now. It's only China, Thailand and a handful of other countries where it's still common. So you're calling most people in the world narcissists.

 

As for how the immunocompromised protect themselves, if they wear a close-fitting N95 mask this provides extremely strong protection.

 

What you haven't explained though is at what stage it becomes acceptable to stop wearing masks. Clearly covid is with us for the rest of our lives so if not now then when?

You better take another look around the world as far as mask wearing recommendations go. In fact the US is recommending a review of mask wearing and recommendations to be rolled back out.....LA county is a prime example.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/12/07/face-masks-tripledemic-flu-covid-rsv/

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-08/a-january-mask-mandate-looms-if-l-a-covid-19-wave-worsens-but-will-people-mask-up-again&ved=2ahUKEwjprKrY3Pb7AhUH6jgGHcAsDykQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0s4MUWghdDU6PMYNueKaU2

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

You better take another look around the world as far as mask wearing recommendations go. In fact the US is recommending a review of mask wearing and recommendations to be rolled back out.....LA county is a prime example.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/12/07/face-masks-tripledemic-flu-covid-rsv/

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-08/a-january-mask-mandate-looms-if-l-a-covid-19-wave-worsens-but-will-people-mask-up-again&ved=2ahUKEwjprKrY3Pb7AhUH6jgGHcAsDykQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0s4MUWghdDU6PMYNueKaU2

Recommending maybe, but this thread is about "insisting" that people wear masks.  I can't see mask mandates happening again anywhere.  And here in Thailand it hasn't been the case for months!

[ThailandRyan]

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Edited December 13, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[ThailandRyan]

12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Recommending maybe, but this thread is about "insisting" that people wear masks.  I can't see mask mandates happening again anywhere.  And here in Thailand it hasn't been the case for months!

Did you look at the second link I posted.....LA County is looking at a Mask Mandate starting in January. From that link

 

"With coronavirus cases surging and hospitalizations worsening, Los Angeles County is again facing the possibility of a renewed public indoor mask mandate.

 

The return of such rules, which haven’t been on the books since March, is not a given. But with the startling formation of a third straight fall-and-winter wave, officials have said a new order could be implemented shortly after the new year should hospitalizations worsen.

 

“We are seeing a rapid acceleration again,” L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said. “This is the time to put that mask back on.”

 

 

[ozimoron]

19 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Recommending maybe, but this thread is about "insisting" that people wear masks.  I can't see mask mandates happening again anywhere.  And here in Thailand it hasn't been the case for months!

No, this thread is about calling out people who refuse to wear masks anywhere Absolutely nobody is suggesting the extremes you are accusing them of demanding. Nobody said hazmat suits and nobody said wear masks everywhere. It's about balance and reason.

[edwardandtubs]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Did you look at the second link I posted.....LA County is looking at a Mask Mandate starting in January. From that link

 

"With coronavirus cases surging and hospitalizations worsening, Los Angeles County is again facing the possibility of a renewed public indoor mask mandate.

 

The return of such rules, which haven’t been on the books since March, is not a given. But with the startling formation of a third straight fall-and-winter wave, officials have said a new order could be implemented shortly after the new year should hospitalizations worsen.

 

“We are seeing a rapid acceleration again,” L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said. “This is the time to put that mask back on.”

 

 

One county in the US is considering something - hardly a global sea change is it?

 

And the rise in RSV is a result of the measures taken over the past few years, including mask wearing:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/26/health/rsv-immunity-gap/index.html

 

So the last thing we need is more mask wearing. We need to co-exist with viruses as we have always done and the only way to do that is to build up our immunity through exposure. We can't spend the rest of our lives hiding from viruses.