Twitter suspends journalists who have been covering Elon Musk and the company

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, James105 said:

Did Musk or Twitter specifically say that whoever this person is was suspended for doxxing?  Perhaps he already deleted his hateful tweet or whatever it was that got him suspended.   I believe there are more things that people can receive a suspension for than just doxxing.   Anyway, I don't work for Twitter - you would need to ask them if you care about this person so much.    

Musk himself claimed it was for doxxing in twitter spaces. No tweet deleted check as confirmed by Matt and confirmed by web archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20221215060045/https://twitter.com/MattBinder

 

[heybruce]

36 minutes ago, James105 said:

Regardless of whether the information is available or not, Elon Musk, the owner of a private platform said it was not allowed on his private platform and would lead to suspensions.  He is allowed to make his own rules on his own platform.   "Journalists" decided they would do it anyway, broke the rules and have received the suspensions they were promised.   

 

If you don't like it, start your own platform with your own money and make it so that sharing and tracking of peoples locations in their private vehicles is allowed.   I have no idea why it is in the public interest to share his jets real-time location anyway.  Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why this should be something he is forced to allow on his platform?  

Translation:  When Musk sees something on Twitter he doesn't like, he creates a rule to ban the author of the offending information and any other authors tweeting similar information.

 

How is this protecting freedom of speech?

[heybruce]

26 minutes ago, James105 said:

Did Musk specifically state the reasons for their suspension was this?   I haven't seen that.   They must have broken some rule though hence they got banned.  They are just in shock as they were allowed to be as hateful as they wanted against anyone who didn't agree with the narrative and now they find themselves on the same playing field as everyone else and are having a big old cry about it.

 

But anyway, why is it in the public interest to have live tracking of his jet on a public platform and why is this a first amendment issue?  

Translation:  You don't know why these people were banned, and neither do the people who were banned. 

 

How is this protecting freedom of speech?

[James105]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Musk himself claimed it was for doxxing in twitter spaces. No tweet deleted check as confirmed by Matt and confirmed by web archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20221215060045/https://twitter.com/MattBinder

 

This just take snapshots of sites at random times.  It may have missed the hateful tweet he (possibly) made and deleted.   I am not prepared to take his word about his innocence as like most journalists, they have the tendency to make up the facts that support whatever narrative they are trying to support.   Twitter have the info, and as mentioned you would need to ask them why he got banned.

[James105]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Translation:  When Musk sees something on Twitter he doesn't like, he creates a rule to ban the author of the offending information and any other authors tweeting similar information.

 

How is this protecting freedom of speech?

Why is the left having a breakdown because they cannot track musks jet live on Twitter and have to use a different site?   The hill to die on regarding freedom of speech was when a sitting president got banned from the platform, even if you did not agree (or even hated) his views and what he stood for.   If you did not do that then you forfeit your right to complain about freedom of speech as you effectively only care about freedom of speech that is speech you agree with, which is the opposite of what is meant by freedom of speech.  

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, James105 said:

This just take snapshots of sites at random times.  It may have missed the hateful tweet he (possibly) made and deleted.   I am not prepared to take his word about his innocence as like most journalists, they have the tendency to make up the facts that support whatever narrative they are trying to support.   Twitter have the info, and as mentioned you would need to ask them why he got banned.

What hateful tweet are you referring to? Who said he posted a hateful tweet? A tweet that is deleted still has a deletion notification (deleted by the account holder). I don't have to ask anyone why it suspended. Musk already confirmed it was for doxxing. You keep missing that.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Bkk Brian

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34 minutes ago, James105 said:

I asked why it is in the public interest as I am struggling to understand why the left is having a temper tantrum because they can't use Twitter to see where his private jet is currently located and have to use an alternative site to get this info.

 

Where did I say I supported banning anything.   Stop creating straw men, it's pathetic.   

You're the one who raised the issue about public interest as a criterion for whether or not an account should be banned from Twitter. How else could one rationally construe your motives for raising the issue?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

18 minutes ago, James105 said:

Why is the left having a breakdown because they cannot track musks jet live on Twitter and have to use a different site?   The hill to die on regarding freedom of speech was when a sitting president got banned from the platform, even if you did not agree (or even hated) his views and what he stood for.   If you did not do that then you forfeit your right to complain about freedom of speech as you effectively only care about freedom of speech that is speech you agree with, which is the opposite of what is meant by freedom of speech.  

Hopefully you can see that January 6 was a different, fluid, and unprecedented situation involving the attempt to illegitimately keep the presidency. You probably accept now that all his election fraud stuff is nonsense and that the steps he took were bad for the United States. This in a brave new world where said President can communicate with millions in seconds. I won't recount the opportunities he was given not to be cancelled but long cut short, even if you say they made the wrong decision long term, you can hopefully see the logic of the decision. 

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30 minutes ago, James105 said:

Why is the left having a breakdown because they cannot track musks jet live on Twitter and have to use a different site?   The hill to die on regarding freedom of speech was when a sitting president got banned from the platform, even if you did not agree (or even hated) his views and what he stood for.   If you did not do that then you forfeit your right to complain about freedom of speech as you effectively only care about freedom of speech that is speech you agree with, which is the opposite of what is meant by freedom of speech.  

Do you understand that Twitter had and has the right to regulate speech on its service? That the 1st Amendment restricts only government from engaging in censorship?

[Woof999]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

I am struggling to understand why the left is having a temper tantrum because they can't use Twitter to see where his private jet is currently

I'm struggling to understand why you think this is a left vs right thing. How the hell does anyone wanting or not wanting to see this kind of data make them Dem, GOP, black, white, old, young or anything else?

[James105]

12 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Hopefully you can see that January 6 was a different, fluid, and unprecedented situation involving the attempt to illegitimately keep the presidency. 

I'm not American but I just saw bits on the news with mild amusement with regards what happened on that day.   Compared to the scale of the violence during the BLM riots that were incited by the media (and this kind of incitement to violence was acceptable on Twitter) it was a kids tea party.   If the media can get you to believe that that was an attempted coup then America has far bigger problems than whether or not Elon Musks jet should be allowed to be tracked on Twitter.   

[James105]

9 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

I'm struggling to understand why you think this is a left vs right thing. How the hell does anyone wanting or not wanting to see this kind of data make them Dem, GOP, black, white, old, young or anything else?

I've got eyes and ears.  That's how I know that the only people that are having a meltdown are lefty journalists and, well, leftists.   It's a very strange hill to die on when it comes to freedom of speech.

 

Do you want to know where Elon's jet is currently and why do you want/need to know this and if so what do you plan to do with this information once you have it?   If you don't need or want this information why do you care?  

[Bkk Brian]

UN expresses 'serious concerns' despite reinstatement of journalist on Twitter

The United Nations rights chief expressed relief at Twitter CEO Elon Musk’s decision to reinstate several journalists on the social media platform but said that "serious concerns remain".

The move was seen by many as an attack on press freedom and most international groups asked for the suspension to be lifted. Even the United Nations chief Antonio Guterres called it a "dangerous precedent at a time when journalists all over the world are facing censorship, physical threats and even worse."

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/un-expresses-serious-concerns-despite-reinstatement-of-journalist-on-twitter/ar-AA15o3Xp

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

Regardless of whether the information is available or not, Elon Musk, the owner of a private platform said it was not allowed on his private platform and would lead to suspensions.  He is allowed to make his own rules on his own platform.   "Journalists" decided they would do it anyway, broke the rules and have received the suspensions they were promised.   

 

If you don't like it, start your own platform with your own money and make it so that sharing and tracking of peoples locations in their private vehicles is allowed.   I have no idea why it is in the public interest to share his jets real-time location anyway.  Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why this should be something he is forced to allow on his platform?  

He is most definitely allowed to make his own rules. The EU is also allowed to impose sanctions and advertisers are allowed to remove their advertising. That's the wonderful thing about free speech. The right wing don't get that this is a double edged sword. Remember when Texas tried to force Twitter to not ban the wingnuts in court? Which way do you guys want it. It seems like both when it suits them.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/16/texas-social-media-law/

Edited December 18, 2022 by ozimoron

[ozimoron]

33 minutes ago, James105 said:

I'm not American but I just saw bits on the news with mild amusement with regards what happened on that day.   Compared to the scale of the violence during the BLM riots that were incited by the media (and this kind of incitement to violence was acceptable on Twitter) it was a kids tea party.   If the media can get you to believe that that was an attempted coup then America has far bigger problems than whether or not Elon Musks jet should be allowed to be tracked on Twitter.   

Other than the Capitol police who were seriously injured and died as a direct result of the riot of course. The Capitol police have recognised officer Sicknik's suicide as being in the line of duty.

 

source: already linked previously.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Why is the left having a breakdown because they cannot track musks jet live on Twitter and have to use a different site?   The hill to die on regarding freedom of speech was when a sitting president got banned from the platform, even if you did not agree (or even hated) his views and what he stood for.   If you did not do that then you forfeit your right to complain about freedom of speech as you effectively only care about freedom of speech that is speech you agree with, which is the opposite of what is meant by freedom of speech.  

Musk can do what the heck he wants with Twitter, but what he cannot do is claim he's a champion of free speech without getting called out as a pathetic liar since practically every day since he bought the stinkin' mess that is Twitter he's shown he's nothing but a wannabe dictator with an oh so frail ego.

Think trump but with a high IQ and no orange colour.

 

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He is most definitely allowed to make his own rules. The EU is also allowed to impose sanctions and advertisers are allowed to remove their advertising. That's the wonderful thing about free speech. The right wing don't get that this is a double edged sword. Remember when Texas tried to force Twitter to not ban the wingnuts in court? Which way do you guys want it. It seems like both when it suits them.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/16/texas-social-media-law/

At this rate it won't be too long before he starts suspending people for linking to Wikipedia

 

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604204799209402368

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Translation:  When Musk sees something on Twitter he doesn't like, he creates a rule to ban the author of the offending information and any other authors tweeting similar information.

 

How is this protecting freedom of speech?

A gross representation of liberals doxxing Musk that led to a loon trying to attack Musk's child. Musk doesn't like crazed liberals trying to assassinate his child? hardly surprising is it? The left will just have to learn to play by the rules. About time too. Seeing the likes of Taylor Lorenz and her paper doxxing conservatives for years, not any more. Love it!

Now from people who championed conservatives being banned for speaking inconvenient truths this is quite the hilarious situation.

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

A gross representation of liberals doxxing Musk that led to a loon trying to attack Musk's child. Musk doesn't like crazed liberals trying to assassinate his child? hardly surprising is it? The left will just have to learn to play by the rules. About time too. Seeing the likes of Taylor Lorenz and her paper doxxing conservatives for years, not any more. Love it!

Now from people who championed conservatives being banned for speaking inconvenient truths this is quite the hilarious situation.

Has this loon be charged with anything? What was his reason for his actions? Where did he get info on a car? How do you know he was going to assassinate anyone, were weapons found?

 

Elon Musk claims ‘crazy stalker’ followed his son but hasn’t reported it to LAPD, cops say

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-15/elon-musks-stalker-incident-no-police-report-lapd-says

Edited December 18, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Phoenix Rising]

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

A gross representation of liberals doxxing Musk that led to a loon trying to attack Musk's child. Musk doesn't like crazed liberals trying to assassinate his child? hardly surprising is it? The left will just have to learn to play by the rules. About time too. Seeing the likes of Taylor Lorenz and her paper doxxing conservatives for years, not any more. Love it!

Now from people who championed conservatives being banned for speaking inconvenient truths this is quite the hilarious situation.

"Now from people who championed conservatives being banned for speaking inconvenient truths........"

Or, as we who live outside the Twilight Zone like to call it, lying through their teeth.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

I'm not American but I just saw bits on the news with mild amusement with regards what happened on that day.   Compared to the scale of the violence during the BLM riots that were incited by the media (and this kind of incitement to violence was acceptable on Twitter) it was a kids tea party.   If the media can get you to believe that that was an attempted coup then America has far bigger problems than whether or not Elon Musks jet should be allowed to be tracked on Twitter.   

Now we can see, consistent with much that he does, that this and related actions were half a s s e d, with little chance of it leading to a different outcome, but it cost lives and sent a terrible message to the world about the state of democracy in the United States.  Seems to have in the long term resulted in many of his supporters on this site giving up on him.

Your claim though that the whole thing was nothing, if that is what you are saying, is not consistent with the events themselves and the actions he and others took, behind the scenes, such as taking steps to overturn various state results. There is an update this week of course. 

The key point is that at the time his words were leading to objectively bad things and it was not unreasonable after several warnings for him to be banned. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Phoenix Rising]

12 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

A gross representation of liberals doxxing Musk that led to a loon trying to attack Musk's child. Musk doesn't like crazed liberals trying to assassinate his child? hardly surprising is it? The left will just have to learn to play by the rules. About time too. Seeing the likes of Taylor Lorenz and her paper doxxing conservatives for years, not any more. Love it!

Now from people who championed conservatives being banned for speaking inconvenient truths this is quite the hilarious situation.

"Now from people who championed conservatives being banned for speaking inconvenient truths........"

Or, as we who live outside the Twilight Zone like to call it, lying through their teeth.

 

But I agree with you that it's quite hilarious watching this train wreck from the outside. Poor Elon, from rock star to trump-like whiner in a matter of weeks.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

[SunnyinBangrak]

45 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"Now from people who championed conservatives being banned for speaking inconvenient truths........"

Or, as we who live outside the Twilight Zone like to call it, lying through their teeth.

 

But I agree with you that it's quite hilarious watching this train wreck from the outside. Poor Elon, from rock star to trump-like whiner in a matter of weeks.

You spelled winner wrong ????

[Phoenix Rising]

29 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You spelled winner wrong ????

If you can find anything "winnable" about trump these days then I applaud and envy your sunny outlook on life.

Life must be good in Bangrak!????

Edited December 18, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

[candide]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

I'm not American but I just saw bits on the news with mild amusement with regards what happened on that day.   Compared to the scale of the violence during the BLM riots that were incited by the media (and this kind of incitement to violence was acceptable on Twitter) it was a kids tea party.   If the media can get you to believe that that was an attempted coup then America has far bigger problems than whether or not Elon Musks jet should be allowed to be tracked on Twitter.   

You're not American but eager to adopt the American right-wing propaganda and false equivalences. The BLM riots did not try to steal elections by invading the Capitol, and creating fake electors lists, etc...

They were sometimes violent (and people have been indicted and convicted for that) but had a legitimate aim. As about the media, they did not incite violence as you (read: the right-wing propaganda) are claiming, and you have no proof about it.

[Slip]

12 minutes ago, candide said:

You're not American but eager to adopt the American right-wing propaganda and false equivalences. The BLM riots did not try to steal elections by invading the Capitol, and creating fake electors lists, etc...

They were sometimes violent (and people have been indicted and convicted for that) but had a legitimate aim. As about the media, they did not incite violence as you (read: the right-wing propaganda) are claiming, and you have no proof about it.

The usual cheerleaders on here seem to be completely flat-footed on this.  They are reduced to loudly trumpeting things which have repeatedly been shown to be untrue.

[James105]

28 minutes ago, candide said:

You're not American but eager to adopt the American right-wing propaganda and false equivalences. The BLM riots did not try to steal elections by invading the Capitol, and creating fake electors lists, etc...

They were sometimes violent (and people have been indicted and convicted for that) but had a legitimate aim. As about the media, they did not incite violence as you (read: the right-wing propaganda) are claiming, and you have no proof about it.

Well, technically she isn't in the media but this is allowed apparently, as long as it is for the right cause of course.   Just imagine if Trump had actually used this phrase instead of just saying he wasn't going to bother going to the inauguration.   I'm sure you would have been equally placid about that ... right?  

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, James105 said:

Well, technically she isn't in the media but this is allowed apparently, as long as it is for the right cause of course.   Just imagine if Trump had actually used this phrase instead of just saying he wasn't going to bother going to the inauguration.   I'm sure you would have been equally placid about that ... right?  

 

 

 

Don't know where you come from but you might try to get a little better acquainted with the English language. Remember: context is everything

call to arms

noun phrase

 

1

: a summons to engage in active hostilities

2

: a summons, invitation, or appeal to undertake a particular course of action

a political call to arms

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/call to arms

[Isaan sailor]

Turnabout’s fair play.  Let Twitter (Elon Musk) dox all those doxxing so-called journalists.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Turnabout’s fair play.  Let Twitter (Elon Musk) dox all those doxxing so-called journalists.

Let me get this right. You support Musk's ban on so called doxxers but applaud him doxxing others?