GOP targets drag shows with new bills in at least 14 states

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I will stick with my ascertion that drag queens aren't 'twerking in front of kids faces etc.' and that any sexualisation of what is going on is purely in your (and other posters here) own head.

 

Stick with whatever assertion you want. The evidence doesn't lie.

 

 

Disclaimer ; I only saw the incident above on Twitter. I was not personally in attendance at the event since it was 14,000 kms away and I'm not a massive fan of drag shows. Hope that clarifies things for those who don't know the difference between seeing something and attending something. ????

[Hanaguma]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

Jesus Christ...get real, you left out the fact that women dress as men in panto also and that it is panto, not drag.  You'd take your children to a real drag show?

Pantomime or "Mrs. Doubtfire" or Jack Lemmon in "Some Like It Hot" is not what is at issue.  "Drag" implies hypersexualized and overdone stereotypic female behavior and mannerisms. It is a performance. Not a gender identity. 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It's interesting that you write here that you know it's all harmless but then you say you never visited such a show. So how do you know it's harmless? Just a picture of a family with some ladyboys is not exactly evidence for anything. 

You don't have to go to a cabaret show in Phuket when there are dozens of vids and hundreds of reviews from real customers who have been do you? Sorry when my mum came over for a visit it was not an item on her agenda.

 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

  "Drag" implies hypersexualized and overdone stereotypic female behavior and mannerisms. It is a performance.

Exactly, it is not comparable to pantos.

[KhunLA]

Pros & Cons of a Republic ...

... people of that town, city, township, county, parish, state decide what is best for them.

 

Don't like it ... file a suit if you think your rights are infringed or move.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Pantomime or "Mrs. Doubtfire" or Jack Lemmon in "Some Like It Hot" is not what is at issue.  "Drag" implies hypersexualized and overdone stereotypic female behavior and mannerisms. It is a performance. Not a gender identity. 

You’ve obviously never been to a pantomime.

 

‘Oh yes I have’

, is the expected response.

 

To which the audience will respond….

[Fat is a type of crazy]

The few I have seen are a combination of panto with double entendres and similar mildly lewd jokes. Add some mime to the latest hits, or disco classics, and throw in some over the top fashion and there it is. The atmosphere is fun, the audience is there to have fun, not to search for a prostitute as is the case for the bars.

Not meant for kids, most venues you have a drink which would preclude kids in any case, so such laws not required and are a nonsense. 

[KhunLA]

33 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It's funny when some people here pretend they saw something in real but then they saw edited videos.

 

I saw enough edited videos of gogo bars, even on YouTube. 

And I saw a lot more in real.

I can assure you the YouTube vides show only a small part of what is going on in the gogo bars.

And that might be similar with the drag shows. So be careful when you pretend you know what is going on. 

Unless been to, and recently preferred, people shouldn't comment on what they don't know.

 

Recent shows ... can't help.

 

40 yrs ago, attended, and simply can describe as female impersonators, all singing (hindsight, maybe lip-sync), but quite talented, and none of the major flamboyancy you see now in the news or YT, IF your watching such things.

[Jingthing]

My take is that drag performers usually adjust what they do to the audience.

 

Like if they're doing a late night show at a gay bar you might expect more bawdy stuff.

 

If there are drag performers going too far over lines at shows with lots of children in the audience I would say either ask them to tone it down or don't book them anymore.

 

No need whatsoever for new laws!

 

[onthedarkside]

An off topic post and reply has been removed. 

[FritsSikkink]

12 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

It might have something to do with the rude and overtly sexual nature of the vast majority of drag shows.  Attempting to suddenly recast them as "wholesome entertainment for the entire family" is utterly ridiculous. 

How many have you seen? Could you write a review?

[Bkk Brian]

59 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Unless been to, and recently preferred, people shouldn't comment on what they don't know.

 

Recent shows ... can't help.

 

40 yrs ago, attended, and simply can describe as female impersonators, all singing (hindsight, maybe lip-sync), but quite talented, and none of the major flamboyancy you see now in the news or YT, IF your watching such things.

So you think this should be ignored by families?

 

Simon Cabaret Show is meant for viewers of all age groups, so you can accompany your family to the show.

https://www.thailand-tourism.net/attractions/phuket/simon-cabaret-show/

 

SIMON CABARET A FAMILY FRIENDLY SHOW FOR ALL!!!

WOW what a wonderful experience the dancers of Simon Cabaret offer you. From interesting colourful costumes from a bygone era, to amazing dance moves

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g297931-d1479765-r306857144-Phuket_Simon_Cabaret-Kathu_Phuket.html

 

A must-see show for travelers in Phuket for the first time. · The show is family-friendly and suitable for all ages

https://www.viator.com/Phuket-attractions/Simon-Cabaret-Show/overview/d349-a274

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

How many have you seen? Could you write a review?

How many would be sufficient in your opinion for me to have a valid opinion?   This is a ridiculous argument really.  

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You don't have to go to a cabaret show in Phuket when there are dozens of vids and hundreds of reviews from real customers who have been do you? Sorry when my mum came over for a visit it was not an item on her agenda.

It seems you have difficulties with the concepts of videos and reality.

Videos often show only a part, maybe a small part of reality. If you just watch videos, you don't get the whole picture.

And that is obviously not exactly news, and you should know this. Now the question is do you pretend that you don't understand the difference or do you don't understand that there is a difference. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems you have difficulties with the concepts of videos and reality.

Videos often show only a part, maybe a small part of reality. If you just watch videos, you don't get the whole picture.

And that is obviously not exactly news, and you should know this. Now the question is do you pretend that you don't understand the difference or do you don't understand that there is a difference. 

 

 

You missed the reviews in my post and I'll add my own observations from driving past and seeing the customer base numerous times along with personal feedback from friends who have attended. To imply the ladyboy cabaret shows in Phuket that I cited are not family entertainment is having your head in the sand.

 

However you carry on the rhetoric that you would instead take children to a go go bar if you had to have a choice between the two.

 

[candide]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't know what is normal and what are exceptions. But it seems at least some of those performances are revolting - at least for me, a straight male.

 

 

 

As you are not a parent, I will tell you what parents always do: whether it is a drag queen show or any non-drag queen type of entertainment, parents enquire about it in order to check it is suitable for children. That's what parents always do.

 

Additionally, in case they would make a mistake and take them to a rather sexy show (drag queen or straight), there is likely a guy filtering people at the entrance who will warn them it's not suitable for families. There may even be an age limit in sexy shows venues.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

How many would be sufficient in your opinion for me to have a valid opinion?   This is a ridiculous argument really.  

Just wondering how many you have seen and why as you disapprove of them.

[ozimoron]

18 hours ago, 300sd said:

So what do you call parents that take innocent children to watch garbage like that? Upstanding citizens!

Innocent children? What do you think they're going to do to your children? This is sheer bigotry, nothing more. 

 

Homosexuality is inherited, not learned.

[Baht Simpson]

 

 

This is what I was exposed to on prime time t.v. as a child. It's a wonder I survived such explicit sauciness. ???? 

[ozimoron]

 

 

I'm not sure how I grew up straight. 

[Baht Simpson]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

 

I'm not sure how I grew up straight. 

In the U.K. dedicated drag acts (female impersonators) like Danny LaRue, Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage appeared regularly on t.v., even in Conservative Britain.  If the content was deemed racy they would appear after 9pm , the so-called watershed. No one died.

[Baht Simpson]

12 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

In the U.K. dedicated drag acts (female impersonators) like Danny LaRue, Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage appeared regularly on t.v., even in Conservative Britain.  If the content was deemed racy they would appear after 9pm , the so-called watershed. No one died.

In fact, I'm struggling to think of a famous U.K. comedian in the 60s and seventies who didn't 'drag up' at one stage or another.

[onthedarkside]

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[roo860]

26 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

In fact, I'm struggling to think of a famous U.K. comedian in the 60s and seventies who didn't 'drag up' at one stage or another.

Bernard Manning.

[Baht Simpson]

16 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Bernard Manning.

Probably. He will have certainly worked with a few in the clubs though.

[billd766]

20 hours ago, 300sd said:

So what do you call parents that take innocent children to watch garbage like that? Upstanding citizens!

You take the children to the show once as a life experience.

 

Before they go you explain to them what the show is about. If they don't want to go then don't force them to go.

 

quote "So what do you call parents that take innocent children to watch garbage like that?"

 

I would call them smart enlightened parents, that have no need for the nanny GOP to do their thinking for them.

[ozimoron]

Anti woke, anti abortion, anti drag shows, anti critical race theory. The GOP are a masterclass in nanny state creation. 

[300sd]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Innocent children? What do you think they're going to do to your children? This is sheer bigotry, nothing more. 

 

Homosexuality is inherited, not learned.

This has nothing to do with bigotry on my end. Nor am I saying that it teaches children to become homosexual. That is what you are thinking. This may not hurt children. I don't see how it could help them. You tell me how this would be good for children. Oh and while you're at it, do you think it's ok to put them in the back of your pick up with the dogs, or smoke in the car with them....no it's not the same is it, not for you!

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, 300sd said:

This has nothing to do with bigotry on my end. Nor am I saying that it teaches children to become homosexual. That is what you are thinking. This may not hurt children. I don't see how it could help them. You tell me how this would be good for children. Oh and while you're at it, do you think it's ok to put them in the back of your pick up with the dogs, or smoke in the car with them....no it's not the same is it, not for you!

Growing up in an environment that denies  any gender identity other than the binary heterosexual view the religious right wish to foist upon the world helps how?

 

There’s not a school or any classroom that doesn’t include people, staff of pupils that do not conform to the heterosexual ‘norm’ the religious right want to force on kids.

 

Gender and sexuality is a spectrum, educating kids to understand that is absolutely the right thing to do.

 

That this is even a question amongst people commenting on a Thailand, of all places, related forum is quite remarkable.

 

 

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

7 minutes ago, 300sd said:

This has nothing to do with bigotry on my end. Nor am I saying that it teaches children to become homosexual. That is what you are thinking. This may not hurt children. I don't see how it could help them. You tell me how this would be good for children. Oh and while you're at it, do you think it's ok to put them in the back of your pick up with the dogs, or smoke in the car with them....no it's not the same is it, not for you!

Your two examples (back of your pick up, smoking in the car) are health and safety issues that can seriously affect a child. This isn't the case here.

And your original statement of 'parents that take innocent children to watch garbage like that' does smack of bigotry and/or homophobia. Have you even seen a drag show? They really aren't that bad. More akin to a rather saucy comedian making crude/rude jokes and lip-syncing to a few old classics than anything sexual.

And it helps children by showing them there is more than the two obvious genders and it's not to be feared. It teaches tolerance and understanding; something a lot of you guys could have done with by the sounds of it.