Is it Joe Bidens turn to face JAIL?

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Lock him up, and baby Bush too, we all know he's guilty. 

The level of corruption in the USA is unvelievable, glad I'm Thai. 

Strange you mention we all know Biden is guilty since you earlier mentioned you're not following the news at all.

[GroveHillWanderer]

11 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

supporting evidence for inconvenient claims made ie this is not a "conspiracy theory" no matter how much the left state falsely that it is

(1)https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/bank-records-release-is-judgment-day-for-biden-white-house-rep-comer/

That link doesn't provide any evidence whatsoever. All it has is James Comer talking about the presentation and memo he was going to come out with that would be "judgement day" for Joe Biden.

 

However when Comer gave his presentation and released his memo neither of them contained any evidence whatsoever of illegality.

 

As stated in the article below:

 

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Though not a single committee member offered any evidence that the president, his son or his brother had broken any laws, some called for the prosecution of Mr Biden and his family nonetheless.

Republicans offer no evidence of crimes at press conference on alleged ‘Biden family corruption’

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That link doesn't provide any evidence whatsoever. All it has is James Comer talking about the presentation and memo he was going to come out with that would be "judgement day" for Joe Biden.

 

However when Comer gave his presentation and released his memo neither of them contained any evidence whatsoever of illegality.

 

As stated in the article below:

 

Republicans offer no evidence of crimes at press conference on alleged ‘Biden family corruption’

Maybe the Republicans should toss Biden into a pond and see if he floats.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The corruption, double standards, lies and desperation mount. Why on earth this is not headline news I have no idea whatsoever?! This is the President of the United States and would explain how the world is in such a dire state since his term started. So much for the most transparent administration ever, what a joke.

 

"Republicans to hold FBI Director Wray in contempt of Congress over Biden document

Document allegedly describes a criminal scheme involving President Biden and a foreign national"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-oversight-committee-taking-steps-to-hold-fbi-director-wray-in-contempt-of-congress-over-biden-document

 

The FBI are a disgrace. Just like the msm. Hope we get to the bottom if this disgraceful families corruption and punish every single soul that helped with the coverup and disinformation campaign to falsely create a narrative that biden and his family never took money from overseas nationals(which we know is a BALD LIE)(1)

 

supporting evidence for inconvenient claims made ie this is not a "conspiracy theory" no matter how much the left state falsely that it is

(1)https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/bank-records-release-is-judgment-day-for-biden-white-house-rep-comer/

Do you actually have ANY proof of what you have posted?

 

You seem to know more than the agencies who have been investigating the case on the ground for a long while,

 

If so please send it to the FBI, the DoJ, the social media and don't forget to post it on this thread.

 

If you don't then your post is full of your usual bull droppings.

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Do you actually have ANY proof of what you have posted?

 

You seem to know more than the agencies who have been investigating the case on the ground for a long while,

 

If so please send it to the FBI, the DoJ, the social media and don't forget to post it on this thread.

 

If you don't then your post is full of your usual bull droppings.

Yep......bull dropping and some. 

 

It would appear from the posts of SunnyinBangrak that he is a severely disgruntled trumpie and would dearly love to find some evidence to back up all of the rubbish he posts, but up until now, he has none, so all we're going to get is more rubbish and nonsense.

 

I hear that Putin is looking for a new PR person – – perhaps he should apply, as truth and facts are not a priority for that position.

[SunnyinBangrak]

7 hours ago, xylophone said:

Yep......bull dropping and some. 

 

It would appear from the posts of SunnyinBangrak that he is a severely disgruntled trumpie and would dearly love to find some evidence to back up all of the rubbish he posts, but up until now, he has none, so all we're going to get is more rubbish and nonsense.

 

I hear that Putin is looking for a new PR person – – perhaps he should apply, as truth and facts are not a priority for that position.

Please cease with the personal and abusive off topic comments. Thank you.

 

Now you must be aware by now that the FBI have confirmed the existence of this form describing biden's pay for play in detail, which the FBI are desperately trying to keep private. So no, I am not talking "rubbish and nonsense".

 

"While Director Wray – after a month of refusing to even acknowledge that the form existed – has offered to allow us to see the documents in person at FBI headquarters, we have been clear that anything short of producing these documents to the House Oversight Committee is not in compliance with the subpoena,” Comer went on. “If the FBI fails to hand over the FD-1023 form as required by the subpoena, the House Oversight Committee will begin contempt of Congress proceedings.”

https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/fbi-director-wray-offers-to-let-congress-see-biden-bribery-allegation/

 

The document exists. Period. 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

Do you actually have ANY proof of what you have posted?

 

You seem to know more than the agencies who have been investigating the case on the ground for a long while,

 

If so please send it to the FBI, the DoJ, the social media and don't forget to post it on this thread.

 

If you don't then your post is full of your usual bull droppings.

FBI have confirmed the existence of this document you seem to keep trying to say doesn't exist. Your move....

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

FBI have confirmed the existence of this document you seem to keep trying to say doesn't exist. Your move....

The document does exist but it's value as evidence is extremely questionable. Basically, it's an unredacted report from a confidential source. The FBI has a policy of not releasing such reports since revealing their contents could compromise the anonymity of those who made the confidential report. Also, because in and of themselves they have very little value as evidence. But I'm sure Comer knows this but is desperate to distract attention that his big reveal turned out to be a major flop.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

The document does exist but it's value as evidence is extremely questionable. Basically, it's an unredacted report from a confidential source. The FBI has a policy of not releasing such reports since revealing their contents could compromise the anonymity of those who made the confidential report. Also, because in and of themselves they have very little value as evidence. But I'm sure Comer knows this but is desperate to distract attention that his big reveal turned out to be a major flop.

Compromising the anonymous sources is bad? Always?

 

"Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), who also was on the call, chimed in, “While the FBI has apparently leaked classified information to the news media in recent weeks, jeopardizing its own human sources, it continues to treat Congress like second-class citizens by refusing to provide a specific unclassified record.”

 

From my above linked NYPost article.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Compromising the anonymous sources is bad? Always?

 

"Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), who also was on the call, chimed in, “While the FBI has apparently leaked classified information to the news media in recent weeks, jeopardizing its own human sources, it continues to treat Congress like second-class citizens by refusing to provide a specific unclassified record.”

 

From my above linked NYPost article.

Did Sen. Grassley provide any specific examples and evidence?

 

I thought not.

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now you must be aware by now that the FBI have confirmed the existence of this form describing biden's pay for play in detail, which the FBI are desperately trying to keep private. So no, I am not talking "rubbish and nonsense".

"describing biden's pay for play in detail"

Unfortunately for you, there is absolutely no evidence of "Biden's pay for play" and if there was, I'm sure it would be seized upon and used to its fullest to denigrate a president who supposedly "stole the election", but nothing is forthcoming, other than you saying that "a document exists"........ well so does the Magna Carta.

 

As others have said and I tried to convey in my previous post, you've got nothing (again).

 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Please cease with the personal and abusive off topic comments. Thank you.

 

Now you must be aware by now that the FBI have confirmed the existence of this form describing biden's pay for play in detail, which the FBI are desperately trying to keep private. So no, I am not talking "rubbish and nonsense".

 

"While Director Wray – after a month of refusing to even acknowledge that the form existed – has offered to allow us to see the documents in person at FBI headquarters, we have been clear that anything short of producing these documents to the House Oversight Committee is not in compliance with the subpoena,” Comer went on. “If the FBI fails to hand over the FD-1023 form as required by the subpoena, the House Oversight Committee will begin contempt of Congress proceedings.”

https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/fbi-director-wray-offers-to-let-congress-see-biden-bribery-allegation/

 

The document exists. Period. 

 

So where is the proof, or do we just take your word for it.

 

And your word frankly isn't worth anything.

[GroveHillWanderer]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The document exists. Period. 

Yes it exists but as even that NY Post article headline says, it is nothing more than an uncorroborated allegation. 

 

I could allege all kinds of wrong-doing by anyone I care to mention - it doesn't make my allegations true.

[GroveHillWanderer]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now you must be aware by now that the FBI have confirmed the existence of this form describing biden's pay for play in detail, which the FBI are desperately trying to keep private. So no, I am not talking "rubbish and nonsense".

No, the FBI have not confirmed that a document exists that describes "Biden's pay for play in detail."

 

They have confirmed the existence of a document from a confidential informant that alleges wrongdoing by Biden. It is Comer et al who claim it contains details of a pay for play scheme - the FBI has not confirmed that is what it contains.

 

And since Comer has apparently not seen the document yet (though the FBI has said he's free to look at it) then he can't confirm what it contains either.

[candide]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

No, the FBI have not confirmed that a document exists that describes "Biden's pay for play in detail."

 

They have confirmed the existence of a document from a confidential informant that alleges wrongdoing by Biden. It is Comer et al who claim it contains details of a pay for play scheme - the FBI has not confirmed that is what it contains.

 

And since Comer has apparently not seen the document yet (though the FBI has said he's free to look at it) then he can't confirm what it contains either.

Moreover: 

 

"The document has origins in a tranche of documents that Rudy Giuliani provided to the Justice Department in 2020, people briefed on the matter said." ????

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/christopher-wray-congress-contempt/index.html

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Moreover: 

 

"The document has origins in a tranche of documents that Rudy Giuliani provided to the Justice Department in 2020, people briefed on the matter said." ????

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/christopher-wray-congress-contempt/index.html

Yes, and as that article further points out:

 

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While the 1023 form documents the claims from the informant, it doesn’t provide proof that they are true, people briefed on the matter said. The FBI and prosecutors who reviewed the information couldn’t corroborate the claims.

Even Bill Barr said that information from the Ukrainian sources this document came from, can't be taken at face value.

[candide]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Yes, and as that article further points out:

 

Even Bill Barr said that information from the Ukrainian sources this document came from, can't be taken at face value.

Oh, I did not pay attention to that. I guess it comes from the Russian operative (Derkach) Giuliani has been in contact with. The guy has been excluded from the Ukrainian Parliament for his pro-Russia stance.

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/law-order/2085889-ukraine-accuses-us-sanctioned-lawmaker-of-working-for-russia?amp

 

Also sanctioned in the US.

https://archive.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/us-cracks-down-on-russian-linked-friends-of-rudy-giuliani.html

 

So definitely a Giuliani scam that even Barr did not accept.

 

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9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Please cease with the personal and abusive off topic comments. Thank you.

 

Now you must be aware by now that the FBI have confirmed the existence of this form describing biden's pay for play in detail, which the FBI are desperately trying to keep private. So no, I am not talking "rubbish and nonsense".

 

"While Director Wray – after a month of refusing to even acknowledge that the form existed – has offered to allow us to see the documents in person at FBI headquarters, we have been clear that anything short of producing these documents to the House Oversight Committee is not in compliance with the subpoena,” Comer went on. “If the FBI fails to hand over the FD-1023 form as required by the subpoena, the House Oversight Committee will begin contempt of Congress proceedings.”

https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/fbi-director-wray-offers-to-let-congress-see-biden-bribery-allegation/

 

The document exists. Period. 

 

The document exists therefore...?

I remember the exultant cries raised by Trump supporters when it became known that banks had filed Suspicious Activity Reports on various members of the Biden family. 

[candide]

31 minutes ago, candide said:

Oh, I did not pay attention to that. I guess it comes from the Russian operative (Derkach) Giuliani has been in contact with. The guy has been excluded from the Ukrainian Parliament for his pro-Russia stance.

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/law-order/2085889-ukraine-accuses-us-sanctioned-lawmaker-of-working-for-russia?amp

 

Also sanctioned in the US.

https://archive.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/us-cracks-down-on-russian-linked-friends-of-rudy-giuliani.html

 

So definitely a Giuliani scam that even Barr did not accept.

 

Actually Derkach was even deprived of citizenship.

https://babel.ua/en/news/89191-zelensky-deprived-the-citizenship-of-ukraine-of-lawmakers-victor-medvedchuk-taras-kozak-renat-kuzmin-and-andriy-derkach

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 6/1/2023 at 4:45 PM, placeholder said:

The document exists therefore...?

I remember the exultant cries raised by Trump supporters when it became known that banks had filed Suspicious Activity Reports on various members of the Biden family. 

That would likely be because biden and the left falsely claimed that he and his family had never taken money from overseas adversaries. Saying he or his family had received money from overseas would get you banned from internet forums. So naturally when the conspiracy theory that the biden family had never received money from overseas was shown to be just that - a conspiracy theory - the new facts were pointed out by conservatives. Conservatives that had been called morons, cultists, liars etc etc.

 

link to these bank transactions biden and his fans were so sure never happened that they shut down facts that were not beneficial to the joe biden narrative being discussed. That is not a good thing.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-new-evidence-in-biden-familys-influence-peddling-schemes/

 

Still waiting for representatives of the left to tell why these monies they denied ever being paid were paid. Care to explain for us all?

[SunnyinBangrak]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

 

I'll repost an old post of mine that tackles your above comment.

 

 

"The way Republicans tell it, President Biden has been complicit in a long-running scheme to profit from his position in public life through shady dealings around the world engineered by his son, Hunter Biden."

 

So that was the Republican narrative surrounding the business deals the laptop showed happening. And a little reminder not a single representative of the left here have specified who the "big guy" was that was involved in at least one potential deal. And not a single representative of the left here have specified WHY these Chinese and Ukrainians were paying non qualified Hunter vast sums of money.

 

And the left's narrative was what?

 

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

 

 

So, which side had/has a better grip on reality? "

https://aseannow.com/topic/1283375-hunter-biden’s-tangled-tale-comes-front-and-center/

 

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42 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

That would likely be because biden and the left falsely claimed that he and his family had never taken money from overseas adversaries. Saying he or his family had received money from overseas would get you banned from internet forums. So naturally when the conspiracy theory that the biden family had never received money from overseas was shown to be just that - a conspiracy theory - the new facts were pointed out by conservatives. Conservatives that had been called morons, cultists, liars etc etc.

 

link to these bank transactions biden and his fans were so sure never happened that they shut down facts that were not beneficial to the joe biden narrative being discussed. That is not a good thing.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-new-evidence-in-biden-familys-influence-peddling-schemes/

 

Still waiting for representatives of the left to tell why these monies they denied ever being paid were paid. Care to explain for us all?

You're lumping together 2 things: Biden's denial that he received money and his denial that his family received money. He was clearly incorrect about the latter. But there is no evidence that Biden ever received a penny.

 

And who on the left was denying that Hunter Biden and others received money? What was being claimed, and is still being claimed, is that there is no good evidence to show that these moneys were paid because of some corrupt activity on the part of Hunter Biden.. Believe it or not, there has been a widespread claim on the right that Hunter Biden was being paid on behalf of the Chinese govt, even though there is no evidence to support this. In fact, the head of the company that paid Biden is now in detention in China on suspicion of corruption.

 

 As for Ukraine, even though Biden was unequivocally and explicitly carrying out US policy in seeking dismissal of a corrupt prosecutor, some right wingers still claim that he was acting on behalf of his son and Burisma.

[placeholder]

52 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I'll repost an old post of mine that tackles your above comment.

 

 

"The way Republicans tell it, President Biden has been complicit in a long-running scheme to profit from his position in public life through shady dealings around the world engineered by his son, Hunter Biden."

 

So that was the Republican narrative surrounding the business deals the laptop showed happening. And a little reminder not a single representative of the left here have specified who the "big guy" was that was involved in at least one potential deal. And not a single representative of the left here have specified WHY these Chinese and Ukrainians were paying non qualified Hunter vast sums of money.

 

 

 

What you repeatedly and misleadingly leave out is that in another of those emails Hunter Biden said that his father when approached about this deal replied with an "emphatic no". 

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

That would likely be because biden and the left falsely claimed that he and his family had never taken money from overseas adversaries. Saying he or his family had received money from overseas would get you banned from internet forums. So naturally when the conspiracy theory that the biden family had never received money from overseas was shown to be just that - a conspiracy theory - the new facts were pointed out by conservatives. Conservatives that had been called morons, cultists, liars etc etc.

 

link to these bank transactions biden and his fans were so sure never happened that they shut down facts that were not beneficial to the joe biden narrative being discussed. That is not a good thing.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-new-evidence-in-biden-familys-influence-peddling-schemes/

 

Still waiting for representatives of the left to tell why these monies they denied ever being paid were paid. Care to explain for us all?

Again, you're totally ignoring the fact that none of the links you've given, provide actual evidence of what Comer calls "influence peddling," (sometimes also referred to as a "pay for play scheme"). All they contain are uncorroborated allegations of such a scheme.

 

Even Comer himself admitted in public that they have not uncovered any actual evidence of illegality.

 

As the article below puts it:

 

Quote

During a press conference explaining the investigation, Comer was asked if he had evidence directly linking Biden to corruption. The Kentucky Republican hemmed and hawed but ultimately admitted he didn’t.

Republicans Finally Admit They Have No Incriminating Evidence on Joe Biden

[candide]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

That would likely be because biden and the left falsely claimed that he and his family had never taken money from overseas adversaries. Saying he or his family had received money from overseas would get you banned from internet forums. So naturally when the conspiracy theory that the biden family had never received money from overseas was shown to be just that - a conspiracy theory - the new facts were pointed out by conservatives. Conservatives that had been called morons, cultists, liars etc etc.

 

link to these bank transactions biden and his fans were so sure never happened that they shut down facts that were not beneficial to the joe biden narrative being discussed. That is not a good thing.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-new-evidence-in-biden-familys-influence-peddling-schemes/

 

Still waiting for representatives of the left to tell why these monies they denied ever being paid were paid. Care to explain for us all?

Since when is it illegal or even suspect to receive money and do from foreign entities and make business with them, including from China?

 

On top of it, the amounts considered are ridiculously low. For you or me, it seems to be a lot, but for consulting firms, It's peanuts.

 

On top of it, a few miserable millions are not even worth getting corrupt at this level. Look what Jared got: billions! That would be a more reasonable amount at the WH level

[BenStark]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

Since when is it illegal or even suspect to receive money and do from foreign entities and make business with them, including from China?

I don't know if it is illegal, but the wokes make a big deal of it about Trump doing business with Russia.

 

Maybe it's one rule for some, and another rule for others?

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, BenStark said:

I don't know if it is illegal, but the wokes make a big deal of it about Trump doing business with Russia.

 

Maybe it's one rule for some, and another rule for others?

Indeed, every person assisting Russian oligarchs to launder money should be prosecuted.

[BenStark]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Indeed, every person assisting Russian oligarchs to launder money should be prosecuted.

You have a credible link for your accusation?

 

Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source.

[BenStark]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Can you provide a link to this claim, my highlight:

 

Hunter isn't even in government, then I wonder why he accompanies his dad on Air Force One to those countries, and suddenly shortly after the visits he gets a business deal

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-wooed-china-execs-high-level-ccp-ties-while-fundraising-film-venture-dad-vp

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-s-trip-china-son-hunter-2013-comes-under-new-n1061051

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/fact-check-trump-bidens-china/index.html

 

Facts First: There is no evidence that former Vice President Joe Biden received money from China. Though when it comes to Biden’s son Hunter, Trump’s allegations are not thoroughly unfounded.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, BenStark said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-wooed-china-execs-high-level-ccp-ties-while-fundraising-film-venture-dad-vp

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-s-trip-china-son-hunter-2013-comes-under-new-n1061051

That still does not support your claim:

 

suddenly shortly after the visits he gets a business deal

 

Which happens to be false:

 

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden’s visit Saturday to support Ukraine’s fragile democracy came soon after his youngest son was hired by a private Ukrainian company that promotes energy independence from Moscow.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-europe-business-c49555d51eb243e09a42f7577fc5937f