36 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am not sure where the location of the conference was, but my point was that Trump spoke about the subject of reducing the National debt in the conference which is what this thread is about 

Trump spoke about that he doesn’t care if we default because he’s not president (he’s responsible for 25% of it btw) another words he’s perfectly happy to tank our economy to hurt Biden could care less about America or Americans 

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Trump spoke about that he doesn’t care if we default because he’s not president (he’s responsible for 25% of it btw) another words he’s perfectly happy to tank our economy to hurt Biden could care less about America or Americans 

What Trump actually said was that it would be better for the USA to default now rather than in the future , because it would be worse in the future , 

8 minutes ago, Tug said:

Trump spoke about that he doesn’t care if we default because he’s not president (he’s responsible for 25% of it btw) another words he’s perfectly happy to tank our economy to hurt Biden could care less about America or Americans 

He cares only about himself. 

That's no big deal for an average citizen.

For a president it's a disaster.

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What Trump actually said was that it would be better for the USA to default now rather than in the future , because it would be worse in the future , 

He’s wrong period all stop but he’s perfectly happy if it happens on Joe Biden’s watch he’s also responsible for 25% of that debt for his tax grift to the rich 

1 minute ago, Tug said:

He’s wrong period all stop but he’s perfectly happy if it happens on Joe Biden’s watch he’s also responsible for 25% of that debt for his tax grift to the rich 

You really do not have the authority to speak on Trumps behalf and you aren't his spokesperson .

  It isn't true what you said about the debt being a tax grift to the rich , much of the debt was money given to pay for the Covid support of the people 

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You really do not have the authority to speak on Trumps behalf and you aren't his spokesperson .

  It isn't true what you said about the debt being a tax grift to the rich , much of the debt was money given to pay for the Covid support of the people 

But it is true. He added nearly $8 trillion to the national debt BEFORE covid. 
https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

 

Dont argue for Trump when it’s about US economics. His record is simply appalling. He inherited a growing US economy thanks to the shrewd economics of Obama and promptly when about destroying it with tax cuts for the rich and trade embargoes on major trading partners (particularly China). 
He just had to help himself and his pals and I see no change in that outlook today. He promises and promises and never delivers. 
National debt gone? Nope. Added to it. Significantly. Him now claiming “it would be better for the USA to default now rather than in the future” is just the worst possible thing to be thinking for ANY person never mind a possible POTUS who might possibly have to handle it. It is the single largest economic problem not just for the US but the world. Put that clown in charge and just watch it ALL fall to pieces. 

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You really do not have the authority to speak on Trumps behalf and you aren't his spokesperson .

  It isn't true what you said about the debt being a tax grift to the rich , much of the debt was money given to pay for the Covid support of the people 

As an American citizen I have a wright to my opinion I would never ever even under threat of death ever speak as that man’s spoke person I heard what he said on that interview (if you could call it that) I have eyes ears and a brain I heard what he said and I understand what he said.his tax benefited the wealthy fact all stop period do not pass go it did not create revenue it lost revenue at a cost to the middle class it was a windfall for the wealthy it blew up the deficit he did what he did it is what it is he is what he is

Out of curiosity.

 

Is there anything at all ‘fresh’ about Trump?

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Out of curiosity.

 

Is there anything at all ‘fresh’ about Trump?

 

 

Fishy as ever!

8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do recall the topic of the USA's debt coming up about 20 years ago and the USA's solution seemed to be to spend more and increase the debt .

   You don't need to be an economist to realise that you cannot just keep in creasing the debt .

  POTUS just seem to keep spending and increasing the debt and just passing it onto the next POTUS 

20 years ago, under Republican President George Bush with Republicans majorities in the House and Senate there were massive tax cuts justified using the argument that government surpluses would be bad for the economy.

 

Republicans only care about the deficit when there is a Democrat in the White House.  I can guarantee that if the next President is a Republican the priority will be more tax cuts, justified with the discredited Laffer curve.

 

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

20 years ago, under Republican President George Bush with Republicans majorities in the House and Senate there were massive tax cuts justified using the argument that government surpluses would be bad for the economy.

 

Republicans only care about the deficit when there is a Democrat in the White House.  I can guarantee that if the next President is a Republican the priority will be more tax cuts, justified with the discredited Laffer curve.

 

 

 

 

Both parties are guilty - not just one:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/business/economy/federal-debt-history.html

 

21 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now this is exactly what I'm talking about. They "fact check" Trump by using their own opinions and more often than not Trump is more correct than the fact checker.

Now that is a load of hogwash, and you know it, because the actual purpose of a "Fact Check" is just that, what trump says is compared to the facts, and the majority of the time they don't match at all, mainly because he is a compulsive liar.

 

However with a view such as that which you stated, it becomes clear why the MAGA tribe don't know the truth from lies, because they don't want to, so settling for trumps lies suits their agenda. Such a sad group of cultists.

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Both parties are guilty - not just one:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/business/economy/federal-debt-history.html

 

True, but the Republicans only threaten to trash the global economy by putting the US in default when there is a Democrat in the White House.

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Both parties are guilty - not just one:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/business/economy/federal-debt-history.html

 

Yes. But only one party hypocritically uses debt as a cudgel when not in power whilst ramping up debt when in power. See the difference there?

Trump is basically the  "id" for politics. He is the IDGAF guy, says whatever is on his mind with no regard for the fallout. For a lot of people, that is attractive. Especially compared with the excessively careful, prepackaged and completely fake presentation that many/most politicians are guilty of.  Can't help but laugh at it sometimes.  Don't want him to be President again, but he IS entertaining.  

 

CNN did themselves no favours by simply recycling old questions and issues- 2020 election, Jan 6, and so on. Trump has answered these a hundred times and has a canned response ready. If the mod of the event had been more on the ball, she would have tried some more original and interesting questions, not just the same tired old tropes that we have been hearing for years. 

34 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Yes. But only one party hypocritically uses debt as a cudgel when not in power whilst ramping up debt when in power. See the difference there?

Yes. It's a pity the Democrats don't do more cudgeling to cap the debt too.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yes. It's a pity the Democrats don't do more cudgeling to cap the debt too.

It wasn't a problem for the Republicans when they voted multiple times to raise it under Trump.

 

The Republicans might like to suggest exactly where they want to find cuts instead of just moaning about needing to. Then they'd need to face the voters. The answer to this is revenue, not cuts. Get with the global corporate minimum tax initiatives and repeal tax cuts for the rich and recent corporate tax cuts. 10 companies are holding up the S&P 500 and none of them pay much tax.

55 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Trump is basically the  "id" for politics. He is the IDGAF guy, says whatever is on his mind with no regard for the fallout. For a lot of people, that is attractive. Especially compared with the excessively careful, prepackaged and completely fake presentation that many/most politicians are guilty of.  Can't help but laugh at it sometimes.  Don't want him to be President again, but he IS entertaining.  

 

CNN did themselves no favours by simply recycling old questions and issues- 2020 election, Jan 6, and so on. Trump has answered these a hundred times and has a canned response ready. If the mod of the event had been more on the ball, she would have tried some more original and interesting questions, not just the same tired old tropes that we have been hearing for years. 

"He is the IDGAF guy, says whatever is on his mind with no regard for the fallout."

 

I've tried repeatedly to explain why that it a bad thing, clearly without success.  I'll try again.

 

Imagine having a insecure girlfriend prone to over-analyzing your every word.  Now imagine that this girlfriend has nuclear weapons.  Wouldn't it be a good idea to choose your words carefully before speaking?

 

When the US President speaks, the world listens, including those parts of the world with nuclear weapons.  I don't want a President that speaks without choosing his words carefully.

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Trump is basically the  "id" for politics. He is the IDGAF guy, says whatever is on his mind with no regard for the fallout. For a lot of people, that is attractive. Especially compared with the excessively careful, prepackaged and completely fake presentation that many/most politicians are guilty of.  Can't help but laugh at it sometimes.  Don't want him to be President again, but he IS entertaining.  

 

CNN did themselves no favours by simply recycling old questions and issues- 2020 election, Jan 6, and so on. Trump has answered these a hundred times and has a canned response ready. If the mod of the event had been more on the ball, she would have tried some more original and interesting questions, not just the same tired old tropes that we have been hearing for years. 

Really? Then how come Mr. "id" avoided giving a straight answer to the question about would he support a Federal ban on abortion?

 

As for recycling issues, what do you call Trump's obsession with the 2020 election? If that's not recycling, what is?

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It wasn't a problem for the Republicans when they voted multiple times to raise it under Trump.

 

The Republicans might like to suggest exactly where they want to find cuts instead of just moaning about needing to. Then they'd need to face the voters. The answer to this is revenue, not cuts. Get with the global corporate minimum tax initiatives and repeal tax cuts for the rich and recent corporate tax cuts. 10 companies are holding up the S&P 500 and none of them pay much tax.

The Republicans have suggested exactly where they want to find cuts. 

On 5/13/2023 at 6:02 PM, scottiejohn said:

What is even more disconcerting is that his supporters still believe them!

The focus group of eight gave a true represented of how supporters deal with his lying. They support him because they feel his sincerity in believing his lies makes it ok. Takes a lot of non reflecting about reality to support a lying loser like him.

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The Republicans have suggested exactly where they want to find cuts. 

Not in public they haven't.

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Really? Then how come Mr. "id" avoided giving a straight answer to the question about would he support a Federal ban on abortion?

 

As for recycling issues, what do you call Trump's obsession with the 2020 election? If that's not recycling, what is?

Perhaps because it is not a federal issue but one that is best left to the states to decide?

 

Just because Trump is obsessed, the media doesnt have to slavishly follow suit. Yet they do. Good for ratings I guess.

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

"He is the IDGAF guy, says whatever is on his mind with no regard for the fallout."

 

I've tried repeatedly to explain why that it a bad thing, clearly without success.  I'll try again.

 

Imagine having a insecure girlfriend prone to over-analyzing your every word.  Now imagine that this girlfriend has nuclear weapons.  Wouldn't it be a good idea to choose your words carefully before speaking?

 

When the US President speaks, the world listens, including those parts of the world with nuclear weapons.  I don't want a President that speaks without choosing his words carefully.

I agree it is a bad thing, that is why I said that I don't want him to be president.  I wrote that in the post you quoted actually. But it does explain his appeal.  Particularly when compared to a barely sentient president like Biden. 

32 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps because it is not a federal issue but one that is best left to the states to decide?

 

Just because Trump is obsessed, the media doesnt have to slavishly follow suit. Yet they do. Good for ratings I guess.

You're "perhaps" says it all. If he was a guy who spoke his mind and your suggestion was his reason he would he would have said so. iOr if you thought a federal law was a good idea and he was a guy who spoke his mind he would have said that. But instead he waffled around the question.

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20 hours ago, xylophone said:

Now that is a load of hogwash, and you know it, because the actual purpose of a "Fact Check" is just that, what trump says is compared to the facts, and the majority of the time they don't match at all, mainly because he is a compulsive liar.

 

However with a view such as that which you stated, it becomes clear why the MAGA tribe don't know the truth from lies, because they don't want to, so settling for trumps lies suits their agenda. Such a sad group of cultists.

No, it is not hogwash. The part of my post which you cut proves it with credible links. Gas prices DID reach $9 under Biden as he claimed.

 

"Fact check "He wrongly claimed that U.S. gasoline prices reached $9 under Biden. The highest weekly average price under Biden was about $5 in June 2022."

 

Actual reality "MENDOCINO, Calif. -- If you think gas prices are bad here in the Central Valley, be glad you're not filling up in the Northern California community of Mendocino.

Schlafer's Auto Repair is selling regular gas for $9.60 for a gallon."

https://abc30.com/california-gas-10-dollars-a-gallon-highest-prices-in-country-mendocino/11932601/

 

So technically he is correct, yes OK it's not a national average but he did not claim the national average was $9. I'd say Trump is clearly more on the factual side than the fact checker. And most of the fact checks are questionable for the same reason."

 

 

I was in the Cenreal Valley 2022 and I was paying in the $7.00 gal range.

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I was in the Cenreal Valley 2022 and I was paying in the $7.00 gal range.

Average ca price is under 5$ a gallon presently that’s still way high other state’s average about a buck less it sucks wish the Saudis would play ball

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

No, it is not hogwash. The part of my post which you cut proves it with credible links. Gas prices DID reach $9 under Biden as he claimed.

 

"Fact check "He wrongly claimed that U.S. gasoline prices reached $9 under Biden. The highest weekly average price under Biden was about $5 in June 2022."

 

Actual reality "MENDOCINO, Calif. -- If you think gas prices are bad here in the Central Valley, be glad you're not filling up in the Northern California community of Mendocino.

Schlafer's Auto Repair is selling regular gas for $9.60 for a gallon."

https://abc30.com/california-gas-10-dollars-a-gallon-highest-prices-in-country-mendocino/11932601/

 

So technically he is correct, yes OK it's not a national average but he did not claim the national average was $9. I'd say Trump is clearly more on the factual side than the fact checker. And most of the fact checks are questionable for the same reason."

 

 

"He wrongly claimed that U.S. gasoline prices reached $9 under Biden. The highest weekly average price under Biden was about $5 in June 2022."

 

Q.E.D.