Thai senators come under pressure over PM vote

[kennw]

12 hours ago, Enoon said:

If the Senate is now determined to neutralise the elected representatives of the people, the Senate must itself be neutralised, by excision from the political process.

 

There is no political process that can do that.

 

This is the turning point.

 

The storm has arrived.

 

 

If Prayut was speaking the truth when he said after the coup in which he took power. when he said that he did it reluctantly to bring stability and normality to the country, then he should now instruct the non elected senators to respect the will of the people. And particularly note that the policies of the parties were clearly stated BEFORE the election so the result reflects what the people want, for the senators to deny this is anti democratic. Come on Khun Prayut speak up and do your duty.

[jesimps]

9 hours ago, Flory said:

Unfortunately, the powers that be have these cards remaining to be played:
- Two months of dealmaking and subterfuge to prevent Move Forward from getting the votes needed to elect a PM (Senate is a done deal, BJT will be bought off -- it's what they exist for)
- Judicial intervention, including disqualification of their preferred candidate or even entire parties
- Stirring disarray and rolling the tanks (certainly the last resort but would still happen before allowing their prerogatives to be eroded)

They'll have to be patient too due to the size of the victory and the blowback caused by any of these actions, but none of it will be taken lying down. They are very good at this, and we have already seen these games play out so many times before. A majority of Thais want to be able elect their government, and this has been true for a long time now, but a majority is still not ready to lay their lives down to have the right to do so.

The main silver lining here is the growing group of people who have finally had the wool removed from their eyes (mostly Democrat to Move Forward converts) 

I imagine Suthep is standing by with his whistle.

[Brian Hull]

The new government should annul their appointments as they were made by an illegal government of self-appointed usurpers. Let us see true democracy in Thailand and get rid of the dinosaurs.

[BangkokReady]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Pita needs 376 members of a joint sitting to vote for him to become prime minister, meaning that he would need 66 military-appointed senators to vote for him.

Even with this miracle of support, some other reason will likely be found that they cannot take power.

[sidneybear]

This is one of many roadblocks that these people who want to turn Thailand into a client of the west will face.

[jacko45k]

56 minutes ago, Sharp said:

Yep lesser of 2 evils at least weed would be safe 

Weed was not mentioned in the OP nor the post you quoted... why did you feel the obligation to even mention it. ????

[RandolphGB]

10 hours ago, Flory said:

Unfortunately, the powers that be have these cards remaining to be played:
- Two months of dealmaking and subterfuge to prevent Move Forward from getting the votes needed to elect a PM (Senate is a done deal, BJT will be bought off -- it's what they exist for)
- Judicial intervention, including disqualification of their preferred candidate or even entire parties
- Stirring disarray and rolling the tanks (certainly the last resort but would still happen before allowing their prerogatives to be eroded)

They'll have to be patient too due to the size of the victory and the blowback caused by any of these actions, but none of it will be taken lying down. They are very good at this, and we have already seen these games play out so many times before. A majority of Thais want to be able elect their government, and this has been true for a long time now, but a majority is still not ready to lay their lives down to have the right to do so.

The main silver lining here is the growing group of people who have finally had the wool removed from their eyes (mostly Democrat to Move Forward converts) 

These are very good points. The army and establishment will play the long game, slowly, small steps at a time, while wearing smiles, to erode the public will.

[RandolphGB]

3 hours ago, khaowong1 said:

Unfortunately, Pita and his posse have grievances in for the "person that can't be named" and his laws.   

Grievances? They simply want Thailand to move into the 21st century instead of being stuck in the backwards brainwashed zombie-like trance of the last hundreds of years worshipping fake idols.

 

The election shows that a lot of Thai people want this, too.

[NanLaew]

14 hours ago, Enoon said:

If the Senate is now determined to neutralise the elected representatives of the people, the Senate must itself be neutralised, by excision from the political process.

 

There is no political process that can do that.

 

This is the turning point.

 

The storm has arrived.

 

 

Have you tried writing thrillers before?

 

No?

[NanLaew]

53 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

This is one of many roadblocks that these people who want to turn Thailand into a client of the west will face.

Meanwhile, over in Pyongyang...

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, PeachCH said:

I'm sure that the senators will listen what the falangs have to say here????????

Would be nice but 90% of these 'senators' would probably have never spoken to a farang in their life and would be unaware that quite a few live here, here because married to a Thai lady, to be with their children, 'retired', permanent residents...

[brianthainess]

Asking the senate to Display respect for voters, they never have and never will, if they do it will be begrudgingly at best.

[Derek B]

4 hours ago, Bim Smith said:

I think it fair to say that people want Prayut gone. If it doesn't happen then the instability after the euphoria in this country is unfathomable. They don't care if it brings the country to its knees as long as they remain in power. It's a sad situation. Mass demonstrations will ensue about changing the constitution then what. Another coup? 

Any mass demonstrations needs to be peaceful and with a cross-section of Thai voters not just vocal students.

Senators need to be elected not appointed and even if elected should have no say in the choice of PM.

[scorecard]

"Who is the dimwit who keeps posting 'confused' emoticons?"

I wish whoever is doing this would take a minute to write somethink to explain their thoughts, much more meaningful.

 

As is just annoying to say the least.

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by scorecard

[Bangkok Barry]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The senators in question have said that their stance against Pita is because of his anti-establishment position, declared publicly before the election.

Isn't that the reason his party has been elected? To upset the establishment. Yet the senators still don't get that they are yesterday's people, and they still want to retain the old order.

[bob smith]

3 hours ago, fdimike said:

I personally don't think it a very good idea to constantly comment on the politics of the country we are GUESTS in.  We expats/foreigners cannot vote so why not just let things play out in their country as our comments really mean nothing at all?

why are you commenting then?

 

if you dont like it then dont get involved.

 

 

[brianthainess]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

If BJT party join the coalition... how hungry is Anutin to stay in politics?

He's got the Munchies.

[outsider]

Egoistic, disconnected and irrelevant old men. They should go the way of dinosaurs - buried. Figuratively speaking, of course ????

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, jesimps said:

I imagine Suthep is standing by with his whistle.

Nah, he's gone all saffron on us these days plus he's beyond his use-by date.

 

There's that other old useful idiot though. The former Thaksin buddy. The one who got a royal pardon on a 20-year fraud charge and bails himself free from lèse majesté charges?

[NanLaew]

20 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Would be nice but 90% of these 'senators' would probably have never spoken to a farang in their life and would be unaware that quite a few live here, here because married to a Thai lady, to be with their children, 'retired', permanent residents...

You mean the ones that don't mind the 90-day report schtick and having to conjure up extra paperwork each time they need to renew their "right" to stay here long time?

 

Both of them?

[scorecard]

True, their agenda is the glorification of their wonderful military machine. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Pink Mist

[Bangkok Barry]

3 hours ago, fdimike said:

I personally don't think it a very good idea to constantly comment on the politics of the country we are GUESTS in.  We expats/foreigners cannot vote so why not just let things play out in their country as our comments really mean nothing at all?

What happens in Thailand affects everyone, not just Thais. We all live here. And that is why we comment. Not too difficult to understand, surely. Yet you expect us here to shut up and not comment on things that affect us? Okay.

[Eric Loh]

21 minutes ago, Derek B said:

Any mass demonstrations needs to be peaceful and with a cross-section of Thai voters not just vocal students.

Senators need to be elected not appointed and even if elected should have no say in the choice of PM.

Senators were elected in the past and never participated in the choice of PM. Prayut shredded the constitution when he staged the coup and put in place amendments for appointments and joint house voting for PM. He is the reason why Thailand's politics are now being held hostage by the senators. 

[h90]

29 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Would be nice but 90% of these 'senators' would probably have never spoken to a farang in their life and would be unaware that quite a few live here, here because married to a Thai lady, to be with their children, 'retired', permanent residents...

Considering the situation in Europe I would say the senators should do exactly the opposite from what the Farangs recommend...

[h90]

2 hours ago, kennw said:

If Prayut was speaking the truth when he said after the coup in which he took power. when he said that he did it reluctantly to bring stability and normality to the country, then he should now instruct the non elected senators to respect the will of the people. And particularly note that the policies of the parties were clearly stated BEFORE the election so the result reflects what the people want, for the senators to deny this is anti democratic. Come on Khun Prayut speak up and do your duty.

Not one year and you have some yellow shirts on the street....that is neither stability nor normality. Solution is PTP takes charge

[BE88]

8 minutes ago, h90 said:

It is their job to protect the old order: Monarchy, Religion, Country. They were selected for exactly what they do. You can't blame them for doing their job

Yes but that was yesterday, today it seems they want to protect themselves and stay in their place as senators with the new government and that's why they are raising their demands, nothing new in Thailand.

Those who believe that something will change will soon be disappointed.

[ikke1959]

Indeed so no protection of democracy or whatever but only for own gain

Edited May 17, 2023 by Pink Mist

[ikke1959]

18 minutes ago, h90 said:

It is their job to protect the old order: Monarchy, Religion, Country. They were selected for exactly what they do. You can't blame them for doing their job

We don't live in the 19th century anymore....There is no thread at all... reforming is not abolish, same as if you renovate your house... than you don't burn it down and built a new one or move to another place... no you adjust it to your wishes of these times, Same for the country, the Monarchy and the army and all other institutions you reform thing to make it better and more modern....Normal things.. nobody is using an old telephone anymore too

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[DUNROAMIN]

Military senators dont want the brown envelopes to stop.