Nigel Farage. Credit: Wikimedia

 

Former UKIP leader blames Tory government for not taking advantage of leaving the EU

 

BY ANDREW MCDONALD

 

LONDON — Nigel Farage, one of the biggest advocates of Britain’s departure from the European Union, reckons Brexit has failed.

 

Speaking on the BBC’s Newsnight program Monday night, the former Brexit Party leader — one of the most famous figureheads of the Brexit cause — admitted the U.K. had not benefited economically from leaving the bloc.

 

“What Brexit has proved, I’m afraid, is that our politicians are about as useless as the commissioners in Brussels. We’ve mismanaged this totally,” Farage said, responding to a raft of data suggesting there had been a negative economic impact of Brexit.

 

“Brexit has failed,” he added. “We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”

 

Full story: https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-uk-eu-brexit-has-failed/

 

-- © Copyright POLITICO 2023-05-17

Is this the bit where Farage keeps his promise to go live overseas if Brexit fails.

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nigel-farage-leave-uk-brexit-failed-111255330.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnRoLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANdIyrisTeJWAxZBKdi6CqRFHxLvfRYKC0xdzRZmknIp2J_Aljcv9MEdDq9kekA6_Omchsn4r6t1PjlGXjWMyp5leMziiee1IDsAiO1ZYv9EgilpWCQuzv9qjbkCmfXiZsVHlTLKamR_5NJdEjTuSm_LW1ZZqKpZ_llhH2ycxULG#

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is this the bit where Farage keeps his promise to go live overseas if Brexit fails.

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nigel-farage-leave-uk-brexit-failed-111255330.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnRoLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANdIyrisTeJWAxZBKdi6CqRFHxLvfRYKC0xdzRZmknIp2J_Aljcv9MEdDq9kekA6_Omchsn4r6t1PjlGXjWMyp5leMziiee1IDsAiO1ZYv9EgilpWCQuzv9qjbkCmfXiZsVHlTLKamR_5NJdEjTuSm_LW1ZZqKpZ_llhH2ycxULG#

Have most of the spivs who were at the forefront of pushing Russian backed brexit not already set themselves up with foreign residencies?

 

No, we didn't forget.

 

 

Yup

 

Being given the power on a plate is one thing

 

Having enough spine to use it - another

(Yawn). Quelle surprise!

You need to listen to his whole speech to understand what he meant and what he was saying , rather than just concentrate on three words and ignoring the previous words and  what he said afterwards and to listen to the question  asked 

Nigel says that he doesn't think Brexit has been a failure , he says that the Tory Government have failed to implement it properly , like allowing more immigration when Brexit was meant to stop more immigration 

What he is saying is that Brexit was not properly done, in reference to the shilly-shallying antics, half in / half out compromises and dithering by the UK parliament and judges in not implementing what the majority voted for.

As usual, It's someone else's fault!

1 minute ago, candide said:

As usual, It's someone else's fault!

Are you suggesting  that the Government isn't responsible for running the Country !!!!!!!!!

When they discussed Brexit in the house of commons I was fascinated by following the discussions as advertised by the Guardians blog. Every night I was very well entertained., but I thought they would not really do it - or would they ?

 

Yes, they did it with a big misconception in mind: The rise of a new independent British Empire. It was absolutely clear that this had no future and misery would follow. I am sad for the many people so badly affected. but finally have to conclude: You reap what you sow.

2 minutes ago, moogradod said:

: The rise of a new independent British Empire. 

Not one person at all wanted anything like that , and nothing of that nature was ever mentioned by anyone 

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Not one person at all wanted anything like that , and nothing of that nature was ever mentioned by anyone 

I remember the one who might share the same barber as Trump did mention it some times. I dont mean an Empire with international reach as a long time before (well they have some islands overseas even now), but an independend region like folks on an island tend to like.

 

And let me add: He really should get a proper haircut - at least that.

31 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Nigel says that he doesn't think Brexit has been a failure , he says that the Tory Government have failed to implement it properly , like allowing more immigration when Brexit was meant to stop more immigration 

What was there to implement? They had no plan.  They spent the years between the referendum and Brexit running round like headless chickens, not bothering to gen up on how much the UK depended on the EU for both exports and imports of food, to mention just one vital commodity. Nor on how much documentation would be required by the EU for imports and exports once we ceased to be a member.
They ignored the problem of the Good Friday Agreement (signalled loud and clear the day after the Referendum by both Fintan O'Toole in the Irish Times and Joyce MacMillan in The Scotsman, to name but two). They ignored the preparations for a possible pandemic recommended by their own committee in 2018. They ignored all the advice from the civil service. They continued to draw down higher salaries than 95% of UK taxpayers, plus ludicrously generous expenses, while complaining they weren't paid enough.

They were only concerned with pleasing their donors and backers who wanted to evade the EU's crackdown on tax havens which might have negatively affected their excessive wealth.
And for that, they threw away the best deal any EU member had - in Schengen but not in the Eurozone, in control of its own borders (yes, we were) and able to influence EU legislation because of its historic ties and reputation - the latter now completely trashed.

But there are stilll people who believe against all the evidence that Nigel Farage (who ran off to get EU passports for his family the day after the referendum result) or Jacob Rees-Mogg (who moved his tax-efficient company to Dublin) do care a toss about anyone other than themselves.

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42 minutes ago, PeeJayEm said:

What he is saying is that Brexit was not properly done, in reference to the shilly-shallying antics, half in / half out compromises and dithering by the UK parliament and judges in not implementing what the majority voted for.

37.5% of the electorate and a very narrow majority of those who voted voted to Leave in a referendum that was sold to the House of Commons as "advisory" . There was no White Paper explaining what would happen. There was no proper discussion of the full consequences. So a narrow majority voted Leave without the slightest idea of what it entailed.
Let me remind you that when the Scottish electorate voted for devolution in 1979, it was disallowed as it did not represent 40% of the electorate. Why was this not applicable to the UK electorate in a decision with far greater consequences?

7 hours ago, webfact said:

“What Brexit has proved, I’m afraid, is that our politicians are about as useless as the commissioners in Brussels. We’ve mismanaged this totally,”

He's not wrong about that. Why people believed that the likes of Boris would be able to make Brexit a success is anyone's guess. They're nothing more than entitled brats from a select few inbred families, completely useless.

 

In Brussels, you have at least a good mix of various flavors of incompetence and corruption, not this inbred Tory monoculture. ????

The dog finally managed to catch the car, and Nigel is surprised to find that it doesn't know how to drive it.

10 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

The dog finally managed to catch the car, and Nigel is surprised to find that it doesn't know how to drive it.

???? A superb analogy which sums up Brexit perfectly.

1 hour ago, moogradod said:

When they discussed Brexit in the house of commons I was fascinated by following the discussions as advertised by the Guardians blog. Every night I was very well entertained., but I thought they would not really do it - or would they ?

 

Yes, they did it with a big misconception in mind: The rise of a new independent British Empire. It was absolutely clear that this had no future and misery would follow. I am sad for the many people so badly affected. but finally have to conclude: You reap what you sow.

Not up to the rebirth of a British Empire, but there was great hope that the commonwealth countries would compensate for the loss of some EU trade: “Outside the EU the world is our oyster, and the Commonwealth the pearl within” (UKIP)

Of course, it didn't happen, just like the other promises made or suggested.

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Not up to the rebirth of a British Empire, but there was great hope that the commonwealth countries would compensate for the loss of some EU trade: “Outside the EU the world is our oyster, and the Commonwealth the pearl within” (UKIP)

Of course, it didn't happen, just like the other promises made or suggested.

The U.K and India have agreed on trade deals between the two Countries since the U.K left the EU and they are currently in talks about  Free trade deal .

   The U.K has also agreed trade deals with Australia ...........and Singapore and numerous African Countries .

  So, it did indeed happen 

3 hours ago, candide said:

As usual, It's someone else's fault!

Basically the inept Conservative party at the time.

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Nigel says that he doesn't think Brexit has been a failure , he says that the Tory Government have failed to implement it properly , like allowing more immigration when Brexit was meant to stop more immigration 

It’s always somebody else fault.

The people vigorously defending Brexit yesterday are a no show in this thread.

Why is anybody still listening to that guy?

The only thing he is capable of doing is saying: You didn't do it right. And maybe: I would have done it right.

But obviously he only tells people in hindsight what didn't work. 

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why is anybody still listening to that guy?

The only thing he is capable of doing is saying: You didn't do it right. And maybe: I would have done it right.

But obviously he only tells people in hindsight what didn't work. 

If you would have listened to him, you would have heard that he is saying that the Tory Government have failed to deliver the Brexit that the U.K voted for and that they have failed in their task

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K and India have agreed on trade deals between the two Countries since the U.K left the EU and they are currently in talks about  Free trade deal .

   The U.K has also agreed trade deals with Australia ...........and Singapore and numerous African Countries .

  So, it did indeed happen 

What new trade deals has the UK negotiated with India and "numerous African countries" since the UK left the EU?

 

"As of May 2023, the United Kingdom has 36 active free trade agreements with nations and trade blocs, covering 98 countries and territories.[3][4] Three of these are 'new' trade agreements: the European Union, Japan, and an enhanced agreement with Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. The remaining 33 are continuity agreements.

 

In addition, two further new agreements, with Australia and New Zealand, are expected to come into force on 31 May 2023" (Source: Wikipedia)

 

There are currently ongoing talks between the UK and India, just as there are between the EU and India.

1 minute ago, RayC said:

What new trade deals has the UK negotiated with India and "numerous African countries" since the UK left the EU?

 

"As of May 2023, the United Kingdom has 36 active free trade agreements with nations and trade blocs, covering 98 countries and territories.[3][4] Three of these are 'new' trade agreements: the European Union, Japan, and an enhanced agreement with Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. The remaining 33 are continuity agreements.

 

In addition, two further new agreements, with Australia and New Zealand, are expected to come into force on 31 May 2023" (Source: Wikipedia)

 

There are currently ongoing talks between the UK and India, just as there are between the EU and India.

You can read all about them here 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/the-uks-trade-agreements

 

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