2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

As posted previously Evolution and creation are both just theories.

There is no evidence to support either.

Wrong!  One has heaps of evidence the other none 

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

As posted previously Evolution and creation are both just theories.

There is no evidence to support either.

I don't think you understand that there's a difference between hypothesis and theory. In science there's a big difference between the two.. For an idea to graduate from hypthesis to theory takes a lot of evidence.

The irony of a certain posters signature quote is most certainly not lost !!!.... [I try to never disagree with fools, but I will ignore them once identified.]...

 

The overwhelming absence of knowledge and understanding makes responding to said poster an utter waste of effort.

 

When such subjects arise it never ceases to amaze me how poorly educated some people are and they have absolutely no concept of the wealth of information out there they don't know about. 

 

 

 

 

So when do you think De Santos will start banning books with climate change caused by humans, and evolution as a fact? 

8 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It's quite depressing. One would have hoped the education system was better than this.

Very easy solution, don't send kids to a Christian school and they won't be bothered with this nonsense.

21 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I should imagine that they would steer clear of central heating - given the "other places" experience of heating!

Someone should start a religion that promises Hell, no reprieves.

"Bound for Hell: wait until you see what we've done with the place!"

 

God has a plan to prepare a new heaven and Earth with a better climate

This sounds like an end of days thing.  Every so often a US Christian cult has an end of the world day, e.g. a week from Tuesday, day of reckoning and all that.  They don't go to work, kids don't go to school so they can all go together.  Tuesday comes and goes, on Wednesday it's back to normal.  Pillow Guy used this same schtick for his political stunts.

 

 

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

As posted previously Evolution and creation are both just theories.

There is no evidence to support either.

Here is a neat little video about evolving to overcome antibiotics.... you are aware that many antibiotics from years ago that were 100% effective now are not potent. Evolution.... not shelf life!

Harvard med school demo of evolution of bacteria to overcome antibiotics

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Very easy solution, don't send kids to a Christian school and they won't be bothered with this nonsense.

Years back I sent my kid to a Christian school for 9 yrs, now I'm not very religious but saw nothing wrong in learning some bible versus and having a good code of conduct for the kids. His education was far superior to the public school system.

 

 

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

I wonder how soon before rightwingnutjob governors start telling parents what materials they can use when home-schooling?

 

White Christian Nationalists will never, ever be satisfied. And with the Supreme Court backing them up we should probably get used to the American Theocracy.

It's no coincidence that SCOTUS, dominated by Federalist Society Members are also Christian Catholics.

 

'Evangelicals make up a bigger share of the Republican electorate. But on the courts? It’s conservative Catholics who reign supreme. If confirmed, Judge Amy Coney Barrett, would be the sixth Catholic justice currently sitting on the high court'.

 

6 Catholics, 1 Court: SCOTUS and the rise of the Federalist Society - POLITICO

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Years back I sent my kid to a Christian school for 9 yrs, now I'm not very religious but saw nothing wrong in learning some bible versus and having a good code of conduct for the kids. His education was far superior to the public school system.

 

Perhaps you should define "far superior."  If he's being taught that climate change and evolution are not real--among other things--one has to wonder if your kid would have benefited more from a public school education.  

13 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

originated in Texas

....and christians..............

 

Enough said....frickin' loons everyone of them

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just one of its bizarre beliefs aside from using the Loch Ness monster as evidence against evolution:

 

1) God is a right-winger. "Liberals" are the root of all political evil. God's values are rightwing, and anything else is a rejection of His will. On a politics chart, "right" is associated with "absolute" and "God", while "left" is connected to "no values" and "atheism." The term "leftwing", we learn, exists because "left" means "sinister", "to twist something", or "to corrupt." Jesus, by contrast, taught that "we should use what we have to earn a profit." If your political views lean left, you are neither a true Christian, nor a good citizen.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2013/feb/01/nessie-accelerated-christian-education-curriculum

 

One of the few things I liked about Ronald Reagan's presidency is that he snubbed the Christian Right.  Twice.  They've gotten their act together and ever since they have declared each GOP president was put there by God.

There are Christian churches and congregations that offer good works and charity, but too often it's about making money: religious organizations are tax exempt.

"God is green" said a famous preacher.  There is one such who has a whole fleet of private jets.

 

 

1 minute ago, bendejo said:

"God is green" said a famous preacher.  There is one such who has a whole fleet of private jets.

Saw one, on US TV, claiming the reason some of his parishioners were dying from covid was that............

 

...........they weren't sending in enough money!!!!!!!!

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I wonder what they say about the impossibility of virgins giving birth.

Did Christianity evolve from Mary who couldnt come up with a better excuse why she had got herself knocked up?

Love to know who was the real Dad of Jesus. 

Has there ever been a lie which has had a bigger effect on history?

16 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

 I'm not very religious but saw nothing wrong in learning some bible versus and having a good code of conduct for the kids.  

A good code of conduct is not a Christian prerogative. I have been to a very good school without any religion. As an atheist the only thing I respect from the bible is the 10 commandments (which most Christians are not able to follow). There are way too many bible verses which are ridiculous and might give people very crazy ideas.

Here some examples:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, 

2. One can sell his daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.  

3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9.  The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them.  Should I smite them?

4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.  Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.  

5. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.  I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of  abomination?

6. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight.  I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.  Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27.  

8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two   different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).  He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?  Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)  

1 minute ago, Goat said:

Did Christianity evolve from Mary who couldnt come up with a better excuse why she had got herself knocked up?

Love to know who was the real Dad of Jesus. 

Has there ever been a lie which has had a bigger effect on history?

I have always liked the......

 

"dinosaurs bones were planted by the devil to test your faith"

 

.....that is a lulu.

2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

A good code of conduct is not a Christian prerogative. I have been to a very good school without any religion. As an atheist the only thing I respect from the bible is the 10 commandments (which most Christians are not able to follow). There are way too many bible verses which are ridiculous and might give people very crazy ideas.

Here some examples:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, 

2. One can sell his daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.  

3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9.  The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them.  Should I smite them?

4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.  Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.  

5. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.  I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of  abomination?

6. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight.  I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.  Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27.  

8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two   different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).  He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?  Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)  

Nice try......but you are now allowed to cherry pick, distort and/or reinterpret what the bible says in order to fit the current narrative.........5555 

In 2023 China has 42000 Km of high speed train lines. Meanwhile America is un-paving rural roads and residents there pay money to send kids to private religious schools to learn creationism and science denial. ????

 

https://www.wired.com/2016/07/cash-strapped-towns-un-paving-roads-cant-afford-fix/

1 hour ago, Emster23 said:

Here is a neat little video about evolving to overcome antibiotics.... you are aware that many antibiotics from years ago that were 100% effective now are not potent. Evolution.... not shelf life!

Harvard med school demo of evolution of bacteria to overcome antibiotics

Now show me a video of a dog evolving into a horse.

Evolution is a theory ........ as in not proven.

God is a theory ....... again not proven.

 

Once something is proven they drop the 'theory' bit.

But if evolution was real the number of species in the world should steadily increase.

And the unfortunate fact is, since the 'Cambrian explosion' when most of the major animal groups first 'appeared', the number of species has been reducing.

 

Which would tend to indicate God (sudden appearance of new animals in a short time) was more likely than evolution (gradual continuous appearance of new animals).

 

One of the problems with posters is they never think, they just repeat.

The wokes all repeat,

climate change is real an caused by humans

wearing a mask will prevent COVID

Evolution is real and proven

 

The religious all repeat,

Everything is the will of god

 

But none of them have ever tried thinking for themselves.

I even have a few doubts about Newtons Laws, as it fails to account for the orbits of the galaxy, and 'dark matter' (something you can't see or measure) to me, smacks a little of religion and faith.

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

I don't think you understand that there's a difference between hypothesis and theory. In science there's a big difference between the two.. For an idea to graduate from hypthesis to theory takes a lot of evidence.

Don't confuse him. He's still wondering why he doesn't float away because gravity is only a theory.

This book they read is just mental, as an avid reader when i was young ( i got so many free books my dad worked at a book factory) It's not even good fiction.

Was given a hard back bible from school, I settled down to read it, Adam, Eve, 2 Sons, Cain and Able, the only people on the planet then Cain murdered his brother THEN went to the "Land Of Nod"  where he "BEGATE" himself a Wife. at this point I at 12yrs old and really annoyed at this stupid story, I flung it across the room. 

27 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Evolution is a theory ........ as in not proven.

Oh I think science has. 

Off topic deflection post and reply removed. This is not about the Jew or Muslim communities.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Nice try......but you are now allowed to cherry pick, distort and/or reinterpret what the bible says in order to fit the current narrative.........5555 

The bible was the word of god according to Christians. why has it been rewritten by humans so many times? 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Now show me a video of a dog evolving into a horse.

Evolution is a theory ........ as in not proven.

God is a theory ....... again not proven.

 

Once something is proven they drop the 'theory' bit.

But if evolution was real the number of species in the world should steadily increase.

And the unfortunate fact is, since the 'Cambrian explosion' when most of the major animal groups first 'appeared', the number of species has been reducing.

 

Which would tend to indicate God (sudden appearance of new animals in a short time) was more likely than evolution (gradual continuous appearance of new animals).

 

One of the problems with posters is they never think, they just repeat.

The wokes all repeat,

climate change is real an caused by humans

wearing a mask will prevent COVID

Evolution is real and proven

 

The religious all repeat,

Everything is the will of god

 

But none of them have ever tried thinking for themselves.

I even have a few doubts about Newtons Laws, as it fails to account for the orbits of the galaxy, and 'dark matter' (something you can't see or measure) to me, smacks a little of religion and faith.

The last paragraph encompasses your idea. Seems a bit lazy given it is well known Newtons laws have been updated or addressed in the 20th century and onwards. It is fascinating that the theory of an invisible something is now required to explain the universe. It does not smack of faith at all but an observation that all the preceding theories don’t cut it and dark matter is the best fit. Keep a line between best fit theory and faith. Science does and religion doesn’t. You know that. 

4 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Or that the virgin was impregnated by gawd which is basically a rape.

It's at least sexual assault. Plus, he was a deadbeat dad.

 

Never could figure why a supposedly omnipotent being would 'create' a Universe of 200 billion galaxies, each with up to a trillion stars, most of which have planets revolving around them, just so he could knock up a female being on one planet in one part of a pedestrian galaxy.....all somehow part of a bizarre initiation ceremony to get one species of being on that one planet into some celestial country club.

 

Oh, and this omnipotent being has no problem whatsoever with slavery, and even told one of his early Guys with the Red Phoneline (Moses) how husbands/significant others could and should abort fetuses if they suspect the wife had dallied (albeit NOT with said omnipotent being, Joey, so get thee to Bethlehem in December).

 

Is the explanation for all of this in those schoolbooks just after the denial of evolution?

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Now show me a video of a dog evolving into a horse.

Evolution is a theory ........ as in not proven.

God is a theory ....... again not proven.

 

Once something is proven they drop the 'theory' bit.

But if evolution was real the number of species in the world should steadily increase.

And the unfortunate fact is, since the 'Cambrian explosion' when most of the major animal groups first 'appeared', the number of species has been reducing.

 

Which would tend to indicate God (sudden appearance of new animals in a short time) was more likely than evolution (gradual continuous appearance of new animals).

 

One of the problems with posters is they never think, they just repeat.

The wokes all repeat,

climate change is real an caused by humans

wearing a mask will prevent COVID

Evolution is real and proven

 

The religious all repeat,

Everything is the will of god

 

But none of them have ever tried thinking for themselves.

I even have a few doubts about Newtons Laws, as it fails to account for the orbits of the galaxy, and 'dark matter' (something you can't see or measure) to me, smacks a little of religion and faith.

"Evolution is a theory ........ as in not proven."

 

I gave you an accepted definition of "theory", under which evolution is proven.  You have ignored it.

 

Why don't you give us your definition of "theory"?  Then we can debate this.

 

While you're at it, tell us what kind of proof you think is necessary to prove evolution. 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Now show me a video of a dog evolving into a horse.

Evolution is a theory ........ as in not proven.

God is a theory ....... again not proven.

 

Once something is proven they drop the 'theory' bit.

But if evolution was real the number of species in the world should steadily increase.

And the unfortunate fact is, since the 'Cambrian explosion' when most of the major animal groups first 'appeared', the number of species has been reducing.

 

Which would tend to indicate God (sudden appearance of new animals in a short time) was more likely than evolution (gradual continuous appearance of new animals).

 

One of the problems with posters is they never think, they just repeat.

The wokes all repeat,

climate change is real an caused by humans

wearing a mask will prevent COVID

Evolution is real and proven

 

The religious all repeat,

Everything is the will of god

 

But none of them have ever tried thinking for themselves.

I even have a few doubts about Newtons Laws, as it fails to account for the orbits of the galaxy, and 'dark matter' (something you can't see or measure) to me, smacks a little of religion and faith.

Well like the Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) curriculum you can claim to disprove Evolution by citing the Lochness Monster in Scotland.

 

 ACE made headlines last year for a science textbook that cites the existence of the Loch Ness monster as evidence against evolution.

 

Those who are more educated follow the science:

 

EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION

https://necsi.edu/evidence-for-evolution

 

Evidence for evolution

https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/refresh/cont-ed-62/olli/s21/kahn-evidence-of-evolution.pdf

 

I'm sure the scientists who excavated tiktaalik will be crushed to learn that their discovery doesn't, in fact, exist. But even without fossils, evolution is thoroughly supported by DNA and a wealth of other evidence.

 

 

Charles Darwin lived a long time ago. So long ago that they didn't have any modern technology such as DNA, etc and yet he was still able to posit a pretty good theory of evolution just by observation. The mere fact that dogs have 2 forward looking eyes, 5 toes, ears and a nose just like us is no coincidence. And it's not just one animal.

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