Pita shares cast a pall over historic May 14th Election, fears that the results may be nullified by a court

[brianthainess]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

The people may have to take to the streets and oust the old school the old way... kick-em out.

Oh they will, no doubt about that at all. Buses all ready on standby. 

[jesimps]

13 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Here's hoping that this seriously weakens the baht.

Never has in the past, so don't get your hopes up.

[jesimps]

Anyone who's been here several years and didn't see this coming, has been walking around blinkered since their arrival. Since Gen Prayut re-wrote the constitution and loaded the Senate and EC with his cronies, there's never been the possibility of anyone other than the military holding the reins of power. Calling it a civilian govt is just like applying lipstick to a pig.

Edited June 5, 2023 by jesimps

[rwill]

2 hours ago, John harrison said:

Expect chaos and turmoil throughout Thailand if Pita & Move Forward are prevented from carrying out the democratic will of the people.... 

and then expect another military crackdown to restore peace and order.

[herfiehandbag]

I think that it is becoming increasingly likely that this matter wil be referred to the courts. There it is likely to drag on for many months, perhaps years. In the meantime the present government will remain in power, nominally in "caretaker" mode, but in fact in full power.

 

Apropos of that, do you remember when Yingluck's government, or indeed Thaksin's were in "caretaker" mode (before the elections which they called were prevented by coups) just how hemmed in and restricted they were by the establishment - doesn't really seem to be the case this time round.

 

I'm not a betting man ( were it allowed) but I would put money on Prayut, and certainly Wissanu, still being in place in June 2024!

 

Quite simply, they are not going anywhere!

Edited June 5, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[brianthainess]

There are a lot of businesses out there who will not like the new wage hike proposed.

What I can not get my head around is why it is so wrong for Pita to have inherited shares in a defunct media outlet, yet it is OK for the military to have TV and Radio stations. can the Military can explain that one??  

[Frankie baby]

The old school were never going to go quietly, it was always going to be a grind to scrape them off the floor and get rid.

So the offensive as started, lets hope it wont be a long bloody one? 

[dinsdale]

19 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I disagree. There used to be moral authority. It is gone now. 

Yes, this is true when it comes to the people but maybe not so for the bastions of the three pillars aka the minority military elite.

[h90]

1 hour ago, nchuckle said:

You are sitting in the drivers seat of a car with the engine removed and a wheel missing. You’ve had a few beers but a policeman charges you with the offence of "being in charge of a motor vehicle while under the influence ". Who are YOU blaming for your ‘inability to follow the law"….? 

He had the shares and he knew he had them, but did not care...clearly broke the law. Ban him.
Massive reports from vote buying. I don't know if it was MF, PT or BJ. Investigate and ban the people who did it.
If the banning is so massive that it damage democracy and quickly redo the election.

In Austria we had to redo the presidential election for minor problems and the result of the second time was exactly the same as the first. The only purpose was to get rid of all doubts.

[hughrection]

2 hours ago, Tom H said:

Everybody knows therules. 

Why has he shares and takes such a risk?

 

 

He is the executor of his father's will.  Just because you are the executor - it doesn't mean that you own the assets, last time I checked . ????

[mania]

2 hours ago, John harrison said:

Expect chaos and turmoil throughout Thailand if Pita & Move Forward are prevented from carrying out the democratic will of the people.... 

Maybe...maybe not depends on who/what in the end runs the show.

Remember Move Forward and Pheu Thai are nearly identical in votes/seats

 

I think this is all as usual very suspect timing & I smell a rat.

 

Top it off with the oh so coincidental promise of return next month by Thaksin Shinawatra figurehead of Pheu Thai ...

just to raise grandkids of course ???? (which in itself smells more & more like a deal made)

 

Remember too Pheu Thai did not promise

a new minimum wage of ฿450 within 100 days of the new government taking up office.

Nor does it stir any Les Majeste law overturns or Military reductions of power

 

In the end this is looking more & more like SOP Thailand to me

 

The BS 250 know they do not want Move Forward/Pita & they know they cannot go as far as putting Prayuth back in so this Pheu Thai may be the devil they know they can control as part of a deal + be accepted by a large portion of the Thai population

 

Anyway my crystal ball could be wrong but I have watched long enough to have a hunch ????

 

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by mania

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

That has never worked, has it. They protest with mobile phone lights and rubber ducks and the army responds with tear gas, tanks and guns. Closing down the airports and the ports and sticking it out no matter what is probably the only way to get change. Setting up platforms on traffic intersections will not.

Last time Future Forward were kicked out of politics.

The people lethargically excepted it.

This time if MFP get kicked out I think there will be big trouble.

[mikeymike100]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

The army does not have the guts to wage war against their people, Burma style. And the moral authority that was there in the past, is gone, baby gone.

 

Nah. It won't happen. The Thai soldiers, and the families of the soldiers would never tolerate their sons murdering innocent Thais. And the Thai soldiers are not facing the level of desperation the young Burmese are. The poverty here is not as grinding as it is in Burma. I do not think it could be sustained, if the fools started it. Thailand is a very different culture than Burma, on a dozen significant levels. And the youth now, are very different people than they were during past coups, which were violent. Parents would give their sons a choice. If you kill fellow Thais for the murderous officers, you will be disowned by your family. 

 

Everything has changed. 

I agree with your sentiment! I sincerely hope you are right!

[Caldera]

If it does happen and the election will be nullified, hopefully that will convince even more Thais that the dinosaurs and their cronies need to go, so that the country can move forward.

 

What a farce.

[SunnyinBangrak]

26 minutes ago, h90 said:

He had the shares and he knew he had them, but did not care...clearly broke the law. Ban him.

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Edited June 5, 2023 by SunnyinBangrak

[chuang]

By hook or by crook..

[blackshadow]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

The people may have to take to the streets and oust the old school the old way... kick-em out.

then the tanks will return.....

[Chongalulu]

29 minutes ago, h90 said:

He had the shares and he knew he had them, but did not care...clearly broke the law. Ban him.
Massive reports from vote buying. I don't know if it was MF, PT or BJ. Investigate and ban the people who did it.
If the banning is so massive that it damage democracy and quickly redo the election.

In Austria we had to redo the presidential election for minor problems and the result of the second time was exactly the same as the first. The only purpose was to get rid of all doubts.

My point has clearly gone over your head. Your final point is moot. There IS no doubt about whom the electorate voted for...but you want to ban him? Major flaw in your basic argument there. Oh, and how did the military junta not contravene on a far more fundamental level any form of electoral probity? The only damage to democracy is not recognising without delay whom the people chose. Which part of that are you struggling with?

[keithkarmann]

1 hour ago, Pedrogaz said:

Here's hoping that this seriously weakens the baht.

Yes

[h90]

21 minutes ago, Caldera said:

If it does happen and the election will be nullified, hopefully that will convince even more Thais that the dinosaurs and their cronies need to go, so that the country can move forward.

 

What a farce.

And convince the politicians to follow the laws....

[Surasak]

1 hour ago, clokwise said:

I've heard there has been discussions of a possible general strike in BKK. To me that sounds the most plausible response to this. If the old farts want to stick around longer, just shut down the country. No one needs to protest in the streets, just stay home. Those dinosaurs will get the message pretty quick.

That would probably be the best move the people all over the country could make. However, who will support those on low wages, no savings, and living hand to mouth?

[Denim]

53 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

There it is likely to drag on for many months, perhaps years.

Well, the current bunch of senators do not have long left at their jobs. Next year their tenure expires. Then what ? The army will need a new crop of hand picked lackeys to maintain their throttle hold on power.

[RandolphGB]

What's funny is that anyone thought the army would ever allow this clown anywhere near the keys to government. Thailand always has been and always will be for the foreseeable future controlled by the military in cahoots with the elite.

Edited June 5, 2023 by RandolphGB

[h90]

6 minutes ago, nchuckle said:

My point has clearly gone over your head. Your final point is moot. There IS no doubt about whom the electorate voted for...but you want to ban him? Major flaw in your basic argument there. Oh, and how did the military junta not contravene on a far more fundamental level any form of electoral probity? The only damage to democracy is not recognising without delay whom the people chose. Which part of that are you struggling with?

a) if he broke the law he should be banned no matter who voted for him. There are clear election laws. Similar things are in almost every country. If it did not brake the law than he should not be banned. That is pretty straight forward. Where is the flaw?
b) if you find something where Prayuth broke the election laws, having some shares or did vote buying, report it and he should be banned.

c) in every country there are delays of weeks to month till new governments are formed.....or see USA from presidential elections till he sit in the office. Doing every step as per the law and transparent. Should be easy to understand.

[BenStark]

11 minutes ago, h90 said:

And convince the politicians to follow the laws....

Why you never mention this?

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/49174/did-prayut-violate-electoral-laws/

 

While senior members of the air force were singing on stage, air force chief ACM Alongkorn Wannarot stepped off the stage to invite Prayut up on the stage and the caretaking premier obliged.

He went on to sing and dance on the stage which is allegedly a violation of the electoral law.

 

Or this?

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/politics/40021495

 

Suspect donation may result in dissolution of ruling Palang Pracharath Party

Edited June 5, 2023 by BenStark

[Denim]

24 minutes ago, Caldera said:

If it does happen and the election will be nullified, hopefully that will convince even more Thais that the dinosaurs and their cronies need to go, so that the country can move forward.

 

What a farce.

If the results of the election are nullified and a new one held the result will probably be a landslide for Pheu Thai

( assuming Move Forward banned )

 

That scenario would mean they have sufficient seats to be unblockable by the senators. Not a desired outcome for Prayuth etc.

 

So....Move Forward  not being banned  would again split the anti army vote enabling the current incumbents to hobble together another government. Then the trouble would begin.

 

 

[BenStark]

3 minutes ago, Denim said:

If the results of the election are nullified and a new one held the result will probably be a landslide for Pheu Thai

( assuming Move Forward banned )

After which they have to apply plan C

[Denim]

3 minutes ago, BenStark said:

Why you never mention this?

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/49174/did-prayut-violate-electoral-laws/

 

While senior members of the air force were singing on stage, air force chief ACM Alongkorn Wannarot stepped off the stage to invite Prayut up on the stage and the caretaking premier obliged.

He went on to sing and dance on the stage which is allegedly a violation of the electoral law.

Samak was banned over a cooking show so Prayuth clearly in violation.

 

But wait....hang on....TIT.  The letter of the law is never followed. The judges interpret it any way they please and will say bla bla bla .....not applicable because no ill intent.

[Denim]

1 minute ago, BenStark said:

After which they have to apply plan C

The C they have said is not in their minds.????

[jimbob123]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

The army does not have the guts to wage war against their people, Burma style. And the moral authority that was there in the past, is gone, baby gone.

 

Nah. It won't happen. The Thai soldiers, and the families of the soldiers would never tolerate their sons murdering innocent Thais. And the Thai soldiers are not facing the level of desperation the young Burmese are. The poverty here is not as grinding as it is in Burma. I do not think it could be sustained, if the fools started it. Thailand is a very different culture than Burma, on a dozen significant levels. And the youth now, are very different people than they were during past coups, which were violent. Parents would give their sons a choice. If you kill fellow Thais for the murderous officers, you will be disowned by your family. 

 

Everything has changed. 

Very naive Mike. That was exactly my logic in 2014 having been in Thailand since '96 and remembering the 2006 coup against Thaksin Shinawatra. Didn't think they'd dare and that everything had changed. I was as wrong then as you are now.