Transgender woman is crowned Miss Netherlands for the first time in the beauty pageant's history and will now compete for the Miss Universe crown

[Jingthing]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

So that's a no. 

You don't get to put words in my mouth. Stop it.

[Baht Simpson]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So that's a yes? If the family and the doctor want it, you're okay with it, correct?

 

If a family and a doctor agree to circumcision of a young child (genital mutilation) for medical or religious purposes would you be o.k. with it?

[Yellowtail]

To be clear, I'm not gay, but I would *date a gay man before I would date a trans "woman"

 

*I'm pitchin' not catchin'

 

 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Baht Simpson said:

If a family and a doctor agree to circumcision of a young child (genital mutilation) for medical or religious purposes would you be o.k. with it?

No, unless there was a deformity or an infection or whatnot. 

 

 

[Baht Simpson]

30 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I would *date a gay man before I would date a trans "woman"

 

*I'm pitchin' not catchin'

 

 

Same.

[Baht Simpson]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No

Good.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, unless there was a deformity or an infection or whatnot. 

 

 

Then you'd be pleased to know that surgery for gender affirming care is extremely rare in children:

 

The fact check makes clear that gender affirming surgeries are NOT performed on children, and that, “In all cases, gender affirming surgeries are only performed after multiple discussions with both mental health providers and physicians (including endocrinologists and/or surgeons), to determine if surgery is the appropriate course of action.”

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/icymi-ap-debunks-extremist-claims-about-gender-affirming-care

[onthedarkside]

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[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Then you'd be pleased to know that surgery for gender affirming care is extremely rare in children:

 

The fact check makes clear that gender affirming surgeries are NOT performed on children, and that, “In all cases, gender affirming surgeries are only performed after multiple discussions with both mental health providers and physicians (including endocrinologists and/or surgeons), to determine if surgery is the appropriate course of action.”

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/icymi-ap-debunks-extremist-claims-about-gender-affirming-care

That's what I tried to communicate before, but why even bother.

The antitrans agenda doesn't care about facts.

They're still pushing the cat litter thing.

It's all about ammunition, mostly false, to fuel this very dangerous demonization of trans people, which also includes LGBTQ people in general.

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Then you'd be pleased to know that surgery for gender affirming care is extremely rare in children:

 

The fact check makes clear that gender affirming surgeries are NOT performed on children, and that, “In all cases, gender affirming surgeries are only performed after multiple discussions with both mental health providers and physicians (including endocrinologists and/or surgeons), to determine if surgery is the appropriate course of action.”

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/icymi-ap-debunks-extremist-claims-about-gender-affirming-care

Not so pleasing is the number of people I think that are promoting it and trying to ram it through the courts, 

 

Do you support gender reassignment surgery for children? 

Do you support puberty blockers for children?

[FruitPudding]

47 minutes ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

elaborate..be specific..name names   thanks

The medical companies benefiting, obviously. Hospitals and doctors, too.

 

The political left getting those votes,too.

[owl sees all]

43 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trans woman.

You may hate them but they exist.

What you bringing hate into it for?

 

The guy that won the Miss Netherlands is a bloke. Are you suggesting that he is not?

 

I feel for the girl that might have won if it was a female only contest.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

What you bringing hate into it for?

 

The guy that won the Miss Netherlands is a bloke. Are you suggesting that he is not?

 

I feel for the girl that might have won if it was a female only contest.

The bring hate into it, because they have no argument. 

 

I think most every non-leftist knows he/she would never have gotten the stage had he/she not been trans.  

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

What you bringing hate into it for?

 

The guy that won the Miss Netherlands is a bloke. Are you suggesting that he is not?

 

I feel for the girl that might have won if it was a female only contest.

She's a trans woman. FACT. 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Not so pleasing is the number of people I think that are promoting it and trying to ram it through the courts, 

 

Do you support gender reassignment surgery for children? 

Do you support puberty blockers for children?

I provided a link with facts.

 

No 

No

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

She's a trans woman. FACT. 

He's a man pretending to be a woman. FACT. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

He's a man pretending to be a woman. FACT. 

Is she hiding her trans status?

No.

So she's not pretending to be  anything.

She presents as a trans woman and thars what she is. 

[EVENKEEL]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I call total BS.

You can call as you please, but I read the same story. The boys were barking at her.

[owl sees all]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

She's a trans woman. FACT. 

He is a bloke FACT.

 

He is a man dressing up like a woman and moving into ladies domains. Shame on the organisers of this nonsense.

 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I provided a link with facts.

 

No 

No

Facts about what? Even if it is extremely rare, it's too often.

 

It should be illegal. The doctors should be prosecuted.  In most US sates (I think) it is illegal to get a tattoo until you're 18 even with parental consent, but there are people that think children having their penis cut off and a phony vagina fabricated from their anus is fine. 

 

You can't smoke cigarettes until you're 18, but there are people that think puberty blockers of kids is fine. 

[Yellowtail]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Is she hiding her trans status?

No.

So she's not pretending to be  anything.

She presents as a trans woman and thars what she is. 

Yes, had he not been presenting as trans, he's have never gotten on stage. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Facts about what? Even if it is extremely rare, it's too often.

 

It should be illegal. The doctors should be prosecuted.  In most US sates (I think) it is illegal to get a tattoo until you're 18 even with parental consent, but there are people that think children having their penis cut off and a phony vagina fabricated from their anus is fine. 

 

You can't smoke cigarettes until you're 18, but there are people that think puberty blockers of kids is fine. 

but there are people that think children having their penis cut off and a phony vagina fabricated from their anus is fine. 

 

Can you show me examples where this has happened to children aside from your speculation that this is what some people are thinking?

[Yellowtail]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

but there are people that think children having their penis cut off and a phony vagina fabricated from their anus is fine. 

 

Can you show me examples where this has happened to children aside from your speculation that this is what some people are thinking?

Jazz Jennings off the top of my head. 

 

Gender Reassignment Surgery For Minors, Is It Possible And Effective? (clinicspots.com)

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Jazz Jennings off the top of my head. 

 

 

How old was Jazz when the surgery first occurred and what was it?

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

How old was Jazz when the surgery first occurred and what was it?

17, I don't know. So, what surgery do you think is okay? 

 

If it is not happening, why are there so many bills trying to stop it? 

 

Guidelines lower minimum age for gender transition treatment and surgery | AP News

Gender Affirmation Surgery: What Happens, Risks & Benefits (clevelandclinic.org)

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

17, I don't know. So, what surgery do you think is okay? 

 

If it is not happening, why are there so many bills trying to stop it? 

 

Guidelines lower minimum age for gender transition treatment and surgery | AP News

Gender Affirmation Surgery: What Happens, Risks & Benefits (clevelandclinic.org)

I've already told you I don't think its ok for children to have gender surgery. The rare cases where I would agree are when born as intersex. 

 

I've already provided a link to facts that's its not happening.

[traveller101]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you support "gender reassignment surgery" (AKA genital mutilation) of children? 

You might reconsider  your stance once you learn that at least 30 leading American professional medical association supporting health care for transgender people and youth, pointing out the widespread misinformation and bans on care do not reflect the research landscape.

 

https://glaad.org/medical-association-statements-supporting-trans-youth-healthcare-and-against-discriminatory/ 

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, traveller101 said:

You might reconsider  your stance once you learn that at least 30 leading American professional medical association supporting health care for transgender people and youth, pointing out the widespread misinformation and bans on care do not reflect the research landscape.

 

https://glaad.org/medical-association-statements-supporting-trans-youth-healthcare-and-against-discriminatory/ 

To be clear, do you support gender reassignment surgery and or puberty blockers for children?

[ICU Kid]

Decent explanation of this phenomenon and the people pushing this type of social engineering:

 

[shortstop2]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

 

I feel for the girl that might have won if it was a female only contest.

Perhaps a reasonable sentiment for sports contests where someone with male genitalia could have a competitive physical advantage but in a beauty contest those born with female genitalia should have the advantage.