Move Forward Party’s Thai PM Candidate Pita Fails First Round of Voting

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I overheard someone saying the entire UTN party as well as the Democrats and Anutins party voted No. The opposition, even if Pita does become PM can make the government a lame duck especially with the senate behind them.

I understand that whilst the Senate holds the effective veto over tha appointment of a Prime Minister it does not have a role in the decisions of the House of Representatives once the government is formed. So the MFP/Pheu Thai coalition could function.

 

Giving the appointed Senate a role in the everyday role of parliament would have been too contentious and obvious a "fix" when the current constitution was being "eased" into place.

 

Mind you, that may well be revisited. I suspect that before "fresh elections" are held the "long term caretaker government" will be busy sorting out the new Senate and it's powers. That is why I anticipate they will engineer a years delay to "resolve the constitutional crisis". Prayut has of course left politics, but there remains the somnolent elder statesman, with (literally) plenty of time on his hands (wrists) to guide the nation!

[4MyEgo]

10 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Most senators abstained in today’s vote

Utter disgrace, Thailand is going to the dogs.

[harada]

9 hours ago, shocky2012 said:

Thai people truly deserve better. That's a sad day but I'm sure Pita will comeback stronger.

The people or the country don’t come into it as far as the junta is concerned, it’s about protecting the big bank account.

[onthedarkside]

Off topic deflection post removed, this is not about truck drivers in Canada

[Chongalulu]

8 hours ago, wasabi said:

Now he can form a boy band to perform a duet with Taylor Swift like he's always wanted.

Were you one of Ian Dury's Blockheads..?

Edited July 14, 2023 by nchuckle

[shackleton]

The people had spoken they wanted  change and were looking forward to a young dynamic Prime minister Pita to lead them forward ???? ????

Unfortunately they have the old school in the Senate not wanting change ????

See what happens next week but think things are not looking good ???? 

 

[crazykopite]

The names of those who abstained should be made public they are nothing short of a bunch of cowards . This was always going to be a stitch up they don’t want democracy in Thailand the military want to keep control and if the millions of voters decide to do nothing about it they will be in control for years to come . I can see huge demonstrations taking place maybe on the 19 July when the next vote takes place the only other option is to allow the current government to continue as caretakers but for the coalition to oppose all new laws this would bring them to there knees and a new election would have to be held let’s not forget these dinosaurs of unelected senators come to an end in May of next year which is only 10 months away 

[mfd101]

51 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

An abstention is not a No vote, never has been, never will be.

 

Anywhere.

The abstentions yesterday were all counted as 'Nos'. Add up the figures!

 

You have to get 376 votes to win, come what may. So if only 300 people turn up and they all vote for you, you still lose.

Edited July 14, 2023 by mfd101

[crazykopite]

8 hours ago, wasabi said:

Now he can form a boy band to perform a duet with Taylor Swift like he's always wanted.

What an idiotic comment 

[David Whitemore]

What does these mean, more fricking waiting will they ever solve it or will they elect someone else who wasn't chosen to be the next PM, which is totally out of order

[Zack61]

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Minority institutions must be protected. Democracy is non-existant when 250 junta planted senators determine the future direction of Thailand and not the person voted in by a huge majority of the Thai population. The people of Thailand spoke and spoke definitively. These junta henchmen should be locked up and stripped of all assets. Just discraceful. What a joke. 

I concur. 

[bradiston]

For those who are interested, a full breakdown of voting can be seen/downloaded from WeVis here:

 

https://www.facebook.com/wevisdemo?mibextid=ZbWKwL

 

You can view the big data files in Google sheets.

 

Also home to the "Respect my Vote" campaign. Seems a most excellent site.

Edited July 14, 2023 by bradiston

[thailand49]

Regardless of these old dogs,  they had enough power to make sure in their so call constitution their system it would prevent anyone from taking over without their consent if it doesn't benefit them. 

The last coup the guy was hand picked half a decade they delayed elections rewrote what they needed to make sure that benefit continues. 

I'm no expert on their system but what I've seen for a long time this isn't Democracy citizen can vote made to feel they have a say but reality they don't.  The guy wins the popular vote but can't take office because the swamp MP,  Senate, got to give their thumbs up!  Not the people vote. 

I don't think in the end he is the answer he has already sold his sole making coalitions those who abstain first vote want nothing more than a insurance of continue brown envelope and favors. 

Change in my opinion is harsh to many but it will come only by force that force is an individual will rise create their own force and take it.  Taking it will be ugly,  bloody,  just like what happen in China with Mao.  

Personallying,  not in my lifetime,  the Thai people will make a lot of noise but I don't see the angue or fortitude from them or any leader including Pita to force the change that is so badly needed so Thais can finally realize the number being played on them. ????

[Henryford]

8 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

only 674 parliamentarians were present at the time of voting.

So from 749 were 75 not present?

Were they all sick, or did they have something better to do? Unbelievable what an attitude towards serving one's country.

 

And 199 - 75 = 124 real abstentions? Who sits in Parliament should be able to make decisions. Yes or no. Abstaining from voting for a particular PM or not, that's really weak.

 

Yes unbelievable. One of the most important days for Thailand and 10% can't even be bothered to turn up !

What happens now if Pita loses the 2nd vote? Does Thailand continue with no Government. If the Senators appoint a PM from a minority Party it will fail at the first lower house vote.

[bradiston]

34 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

The names of those who abstained should be made public they are nothing short of a bunch of cowards . This was always going to be a stitch up they don’t want democracy in Thailand the military want to keep control and if the millions of voters decide to do nothing about it they will be in control for years to come . I can see huge demonstrations taking place maybe on the 19 July when the next vote takes place the only other option is to allow the current government to continue as caretakers but for the coalition to oppose all new laws this would bring them to there knees and a new election would have to be held let’s not forget these dinosaurs of unelected senators come to an end in May of next year which is only 10 months away 

https://www.facebook.com/wevisdemo?mibextid=ZbWKwL

[Bangkok Barry]

11 hours ago, proton said:

Makes no difference to us but a real let down for Thais and the country

What the Thai government does make no difference to us who live here?

Edited July 14, 2023 by Bangkok Barry

[Bangkok Barry]

38 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

let’s not forget these dinosaurs of unelected senators come to an end in May of next year which is only 10 months away 

Unless the rules are changed.....

[ikke1959]

63 absence MP"s why are they not obliged to come if they don't show up the lost their votes. That means that 749 - 63= 686 MP's have the righ to vote and of these people Pita needs 50% +1= 344 votes...Ridiculious that it is possible not to show up by such an important election. Or fire these MP's immediately, as they show that they are not worthy to fulfill their job.. And 200 abstains ..... to scared to take a responsibility for yes or no

[soalbundy]

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Do you live here? If you do then why does it make no difference? Maybe another coup is in the offing? Does that make a difference? Maybe Thailand could actually grow up and move forwards not backwards. Would that make a difference? Simply buying beer 24/7 (as yoyu can in Lao) would that make a difference? Maybe you should have said "me" and not "us".

So what difference is it going to make to us, pray tell. The problems that Thailand faces at the moment are mostly caused by external events, problems that every country suffers from. China, Russia/Ukraine, inflation, supply chain disruption, internal debt, lack of discretionary money etc. Don't be so naive as to think that corruption will suddenly cease in Thailand if Pita takes the reigns or that the establishment will lose its power and sunny uplands will bloom, it could even get worse, money is as shy as a deer on an open plain and Thailands fat cats could send their money and head quarters elsewhere as has happened in the West. Democracy is a flowery word, like love, or equality and they all fall prey to pragmatism. In America government policies are made by big company lobbyists not the people, in the UK it is similar with the added civil service and wealthy establishment, in mainland Europe it is no different, a government is there to give a face that people can blame without harming the roots of true power.

[brucegoniners]

 Democracy: government by the people. especially : rule of the majority. b. : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

[hotchilli]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

In the official tally, Pita secured 324 votes in favor (Only 13 senators), while there were 182 votes against and 199 abstentions

A sad day for Thailand.

[Bangkok Barry]

2 hours ago, pepi2005 said:

So in fact, not the people but the parliament votes a PM in Thailand?

 

I wasn't aware of that.

 

Have to re-think my understanding of 'Thai democracy' now. 

The people do not choose the PM in the world's longest established democracy, the UK, either. They vote for a Party, and the few members of the winning Party are able to vote for who they want among candidates for PM, if - if - the post is available because of a resignation. But the Party MPs still have the final word. Happened only last year, when the Party chose Liz Truss even though she wasn't the  first choice of the Party members.

[Toby1947]

Who gives a toss, 5th world country 

[jesimps]

Surprised? Not even slightly. Feeling of deja vu, maybe. I think all long-stayers will feel the same.

[Pouatchee]

11 hours ago, mark131v said:

Shameful state of affairs, the people spoke the dinosaurs gave it a good stiff ignoring!

 

I truly hope the common people want it bad enough as something has got to change and the hi-so's are making a mockery of the populace, if not now, when? I foresee an asteroid on the horizon let's hope it's not too destructive...

pfff asteroid? really? back home protests are not in any more. you expect thais to protest? ya giv them too much credit.

 

@Bangkok Barry

The people do not choose the PM in the world's longest established democracy, the UK, either. They vote for a Party, and the few members of the winning Party are able to vote for who they want among candidates for PM

thanks for that... i think most people forget that fact

Edited July 14, 2023 by Pouatchee

[NORDO]

199 abstentions is very simply not acceptable.  A few, okay.  But not 199.

If they are afraid to vote, then resign a get someone in there who will.  27% is disgustingly representative of Prayut’s “Thaism”.   Or, you must accept getting hosed.

[Pink Mist]

A deflection post bringing the US into the OP has been removed.

[Toby1947]

6 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The people do not choose the PM in the world's longest established democracy, the UK, either. They vote for a Party, and the few members of the winning Party are able to vote for who they want among candidates for PM, if - if - the post is available because of a resignation. But the Party MPs still have the final word. Happened only last year, when the Party chose Liz Truss even though she wasn't the  first choice of the Party members.

Yes but the UK can get rid of them, not like this backward mob. There's the difference 

[bradiston]

3 hours ago, Tom H said:

PheuThai guy or even Anutin will likely get 375.

PheuThai first.

 

 

 

 

There seems to be a lot of confusion over the 112 amendment lobby and the Pita for PM lobby. They're not the same thing at all, but in the minds of the old crocs, they seem to be. Pita as PM is by no means a guarantee 112 will be amended, or even tabled. It's absurd to think that. Sure, it's a stated aim of the MFP, but they would still be a million miles from getting it through a massively anti reformist parliament.

 

Not sure PT could get to 375 without MFP. They only have 141 MPs. But yes, probably a much better chance without 112. Same goes for MFP but Pita has ruled out ditching their stance on 112. One chart I saw, PT would only be able to muster 299 votes, if they went it alone with their candidate without MFP. No other party comes near.

 

PT doesn't support amending 112, yet they support Pita for PM. That seems a possible way through for the other anti-112 amenders. There would have to be an extremely lengthy debate on any amendments to 112, even if it got that far. Can't see MFP forcing it through on a parliamentary vote. So why are the non reformers so scared?

 

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by bradiston

[kennw]

11 hours ago, mark131v said:

No mate they should not be locked up they should be strung up as deterrent to the next lot... 

You should take a look at the person behind the scene pulling the strings, it was quite obvious when the man in Dubai before the election set the date for his return. Also now you can expect after the dust settles his man sorry, lady, will be able to issue a "get put of jail free" card. What drives politics in Thailand ? its not democracy its $$$$