‘They were rescuing 13-year-olds’: Tragic reality of child sexual exploitation and slavery exposed

[ezzra]

There's another article that paint Thailand, right or wrong, in a very bad light, (blown out of proportion IMO)

 

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/travel-stories/they-were-rescuing-13yearolds-tragic-reality-of-child-sexual-exploitation-and-slavery-exposed/news-story/a01d0fd03f34b3e71d829fdfe7e6ef10

[EVENKEEL]

The parents should be the first to be jailed.

[stoner]

human trafficking is a huge problem. the recent movie sound of freedom (please leave your political views out and focus on the human trafficking) has brought this to a bigger light and i for one am happy. 

 

i wonder if the author would also write a piece from the other side as well. there are thousands and thousands of men who are taken advantage of by these *victims*. men who have their life savings stolen from them. men who are manipulated and lied to for any number of reasons. we all know and have heard of so many stories about this. 

 

to be clear. yes i am aware that some women are forced to do this work. yes i am aware that some families sell their daughters into this trade.

 

i am also aware that the vast majority freely choose this line of work - regardless of the circumstances that lead to that decision. 

[Robin]

Emotional trash written by some hack to sell to western fiction.  Will it do any good?  No.  

Will it help the girls?  No.

[BangkokReady]

49 minutes ago, stoner said:

i wonder if the author would also write a piece from the other side as well. there are thousands and thousands of men who are taken advantage of by these *victims*. men who have their life savings stolen from them. men who are manipulated and lied to for any number of reasons. we all know and have heard of so many stories about this. 

No.  They would probably find it funny and paint the men as predators.

[BangkokReady]

18 minutes ago, Robin said:

Emotional trash written by some hack to sell to western fiction.  Will it do any good?  No.  

Will it help the girls?  No.

I wasn't even going to read it, but I thought I'd have a look after this comment.

 

You're right.  It sounds like a heavily embellished fictional "memoir".

 

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There are few times I’ve ever felt as helpless as I did in that moment … because there was nothing I could do. There was nothing I could say. There was just the touch of our hands; the small smiles between us as I tried to let her know, I see you. I hear you.

Awful.  The first thing that springs to mind it, why is there nothing she can do?  She's in some sort of anti-trafficking gang.  Why not bar-fine her (if she is even a prostitute in the first place) and then try to help her, if she's in such dire straights?  "I see you.  I hear you."  What good is that?  "Oh thank you so much.  You seeing me and hearing me makes me feel so much better about my apparent sexual slavery".

[HuskerDo2]

Very sad and disgusting. When I hear stories like this I wonder to myself where the parents are and why/how they can let their kids end up like this. So sad that instead of playing with their friends they are being sold to old, fat losers that have no sense of morality.

[Goat]

1 minute ago, HuskerDo2 said:

sold to old, fat losers that have no sense of morality.

Sociopathic behaivour. They do not possess any empathy. 

A lot of them try to justify it by saying they are helping the girl out of poverty. Make out they are some kind of White Knight and rescuing them.

 

Two flaws with that story.

1.Often the money isnt actually going to the girls, but their pimps etc. Paying off their "debts" for "fees, travel expenses, accomodation" and interest on it all.

2. If they really were genuine in wanting to help them then why do they need to have unwanted sex with them?

[HuskerDo2]

Just now, Goat said:

Sociopathic behaivour. They do not possess any empathy. 

A lot of them try to justify it by saying they are helping the girl out of poverty. Make out they are some kind of White Knight and rescuing them.

 

Two flaws with that story.

1.Often the money isnt actually going to the girls, but their pimps etc. Paying off their "debts" for "fees, travel expenses, accomodation" and interest on it all.

2. If they really were genuine in wanting to help them then why do they need to have unwanted sex with them?

Exactly right!

[Goat]

1 hour ago, Robin said:

Emotional trash written by some hack to sell to western fiction.  Will it do any good?  No.  

Will it help the girls?  No.

The author addresses the sentiment that you seem to possess.

 

Each time, their body language screamed the same sentence: “I don’t want to be here. I don’t want this”.

I looked around at all the men in the building and wondered if they saw it too. Can’t they see what’s going on inside these young women’s eyes? Do they not see the same things we do? Or do they just not care?

 

 

And if you read on they are helping the girls.

 

a number of prevention and rehabilitation homes had been created for survivors (or those who were at high risk of being exploited), and I met with dozens of teenage girls who had once been in the industry.

 

And what are you doing to help them?

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[Goat]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

and then try to help her,

that is what they are doing.

 

a number of prevention and rehabilitation homes had been created for survivors (or those who were at high risk of being exploited), and I met with dozens of teenage girls who had once been in the industry.

 

[Goat]

2 hours ago, stoner said:

thousands and thousands of men who are taken advantage of by these *victims*. men who have their life savings stolen from them.

Som nam naa.

 

Sociopathic behaivour. They do not possess any empathy. 

A lot of them try to justify it by saying they are helping the girl out of poverty. Make out they are some kind of White Knight and rescuing them.

 

Two flaws with that story.

1.Often the money isnt actually going to the girls, but their pimps etc. Paying off their "debts" for "fees, travel expenses, accomodation" and interest on it all.

2. If they really were genuine in wanting to help them then why do they need to have unwanted sex with them?

[Goat]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

No.  They would probably find it funny and paint the men as predators.

Has that happened to you pesonally?

these men are delusional if they believe these girls are really into them for anything but the money.

[BangkokReady]

19 minutes ago, Goat said:

that is what they are doing.

 

a number of prevention and rehabilitation homes had been created for survivors (or those who were at high risk of being exploited), and I met with dozens of teenage girls who had once been in the industry.

 

But the author didn't do that, when she easily could have done something. 

 

The point is that it is likely a mostly fictional (and poorly written) account based on what the author felt when she went there.

 

Try not to let your feelings of bitterness towards people who use prostitutes interfere too much with your critical thinking capabilities.

[Goat]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The parents should be the first to be jailed.

I think you will find many of them dont have any real parents.

 

Dad did a runner before they were born, mum works in a factory somewhere or as a prostitute, and/or on drugs and hardly sees them and they are brought up by illiterate Grandma in the Issan sticks.

 

The clientel should be locked up. Without these sick perverts it wouldnt happen.

[BangkokReady]

16 minutes ago, Goat said:

Som nam naa.

 

Sociopathic behaivour. They do not possess any empathy. 

A lot of them try to justify it by saying they are helping the girl out of poverty. Make out they are some kind of White Knight and rescuing them.

 

Two flaws with that story.

1.Often the money isnt actually going to the girls, but their pimps etc. Paying off their "debts" for "fees, travel expenses, accomodation" and interest on it all.

2. If they really were genuine in wanting to help them then why do they need to have unwanted sex with them?

This comment doesn't make sense as you wrote it aimed at men who simply use prostitutes, but you're now copying it to use to reply to someone who clearly referenced men who want to have a genuine relationship.

[BangkokReady]

5 minutes ago, Goat said:

Has that happened to you pesonally?

No.

 

5 minutes ago, Goat said:

these men are delusional if they believe these girls are really into them for anything but the money.

So the women are always innocent and the men are always bad?  No matter the actual circumstances?

 

A man victimises a woman, the man is evil?  A woman victimises a man, it's the man's fault for falling for it?

 

You seem to be rather lacking in empathy when it comes to men. ????

[Goat]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

But the author didn't do that, when she easily could have done something. 

 

The point is that it is likely a mostly fictional (and poorly written) account based on what the author felt when she went there.

 

Try not to let your feelings of bitterness towards people who use prostitutes interfere too much with your critical thinking capabilities.

I knew this thread would predictably bring out the deniers. It isnt only about the kids, but it is about the filth that use them. 

 

What percentage of females do you think actually want to be a prostitute?

 

Would you do it? Spread your cheeks for fat old men who are that hideous they can not find sex in the real world without paying? 

I wouldnt want to do it.

[BangkokReady]

4 minutes ago, Goat said:

The clientel should be locked up. Without these sick perverts it wouldnt happen.

And the Thai clientele also?

[Goat]

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

clearly referenced men who want to have a genuine relationship.

If you think you can find a girl who wants to have a 'genuine relationship' with you from a brothel then i can not help you with anymore advice.

[Goat]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

And the Thai clientele also?

Sure. 

Sounds like you are trying to use the old "but some thais do it also, so that makes it alright"

it doesnt. 

[BangkokReady]

27 minutes ago, Goat said:

I knew this thread would predictably bring out the deniers. It isnt only about the kids, but it is about the filth that use them. 

I'm not denying anything, other than I don't believe that the book is completely factual.  More the very loose "based on real events".

 

27 minutes ago, Goat said:

What percentage of females do you think actually want to be a prostitute?

An interesting question.  It's not something that I have dallied with personally, but the Thai attitude to the body, to sex and especially to money, suggests that quite a few are OK with it.  A lot of relationships in Thailand seem to follow the "sex for money" pattern, and prostitution seems very popular with Thai men.

 

The level of unemployment, the popularity of the profession, the various forms it takes, including "sponsors", sugar daddies, and so on, suggest that it's pretty common and accepted in Thailand.

 

While I wouldn't deny that underage prostitution, forced/coerced prostitution, trafficking, etc., all take place in Thailand, I would find it hard to believe that the majority are forced to do it.

 

27 minutes ago, Goat said:

Would you do it? Spread your cheeks for fat old men who are that hideous they can not find sex in the real world without paying? 

Personally, I wouldn't have sex with any man for money, nor any woman.  However, reality tells me that women feel very different about it.  The number of relationships where the man is hideous and the woman attractive, tells me that women are simply not as bothered about physical appearance as men are.  Exactly how that factors into prostitution, I'm not sure, but it's something to think about.

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[alien365]

11 minutes ago, Goat said:

 

 

What percentage of females do you think actually want to be a prostitute?

 

Would you do it? Spread your cheeks for fat old men who are that hideous they can not find sex in the real world without paying? 

I wouldnt want to do it.

Money is number 1. Sex pays better than other jobs they can get. 

[BangkokReady]

13 minutes ago, Goat said:

If you think you can find a girl who wants to have a 'genuine relationship' with you from a brothel then i can not help you with anymore advice.

That's irrelevant.  Your comment made no sense for the reason I pointed out.  There's a difference between a man using a prostitute and a man marrying one and her stealing all his money.  It's that simple.

 

(Also, a lot of people report doing exactly that.)

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[BangkokReady]

10 minutes ago, Goat said:

Sure. 

Sounds like you are trying to use the old "but some thais do it also, so that makes it alright"

it doesnt. 

No.  I'm seeing if you discriminate in your judgement.

[BangkokReady]

40 minutes ago, Goat said:

Without these sick perverts it wouldnt happen.

You claim to be quite the lothario, is there any chance you have ever entered into any sort of "Quid pro quo" of some nature with a girl?  A shopping trip or some travel in exchange for sex?  Some "taxi money" to sweeten the deal?  Or that you've ever mislead a girl to get her in the sack?  Ever told a lie about yourself?  Or made them think you will date them seriously and then done a runner the next morning?

 

Something to think about...

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[OneMoreFarang]

I am often enough in Nana. These days at least 99% of the girls are over 20. And 90% of that remaining 1% are over 18. There is no problem with underage sex in Nana.

Having said that, I am sure one or the other girl would be willing to introduce her little sister to someone who is interested.

Or in other words: Nobody will by accident meet a young teenage prostitute in Nana. And those who search for underage girls and boys will always find them.

 

For the record: I ask the girls from time to time how old they are, and after living here long enough I have a pretty good idea myself if they are "old enough". I never tried to find any illegal underage prostitute. But I am sure they exist - not only in Bangkok and not only in Thailand. 

 

 

[FruitPudding]

Is this even still a thing nowadays in Nana Plaza?

 

I have spend plenty of time around the Nana area and I can't say I've noticed anyone that looked underage, nevermind as young as 13.

 

But pop into a few karaoke bars in local residential areas as well as out in the sticks and you'll see: at least half of them look underage and not just by a year or so.

 

I think we know where the problem really is -- and it ain't Nana Plaza (which has security checking the IDs of every Thai female going inside....jeez)

[BangkokReady]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am often enough in Nana. These days at least 99% of the girls are over 20. And 90% of that remaining 1% are over 18. There is no problem with underage sex in Nana.

6 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

Is this even still a thing nowadays in Nana Plaza?

The book was published in October last year, so we should probably assume this was a recent visit.

 

I think it's probably mostly fictional, based on how the author wanted to interpret what she saw on a visit to wherever it was, based on her personal agenda.

 

She seems to want to make it sound like it's essentially an under-age, forced sex area, which I find hard to believe, given its profile.

[mokwit]

I think we can work out why such a distorted picture was presented. She obviously has not let truth get in the way of a good story for money from speaking engagements and book sales.

 

'This is an edited extract from the best-selling ‘thriller memoir’, The Stories We Carry, by award-winning human trafficking ambassador, resilience speaker and book coach Jas Rawlinson. Grab a copy here or book Jas to speak at your event here. You can also find her on Instagram @jas_rawlinson.'

 

Nearly 30 years ago I lived in an apartment complex which was a place where most of the apartment renters were women who worked Nana and Cowboy, also primarily one of the nearby massage parlours. I knew the reality and it was not as described by the article or people on this thread. I am not defending it, I am just saying there is a hugely distorted picture being painted. When I saw packs of adult women going out at dusk evocative of lionesses going out on the hunt, it wasn't them I felt sorry for.

 

There was one bar on the right that had underage girls standing outside but it is Loooong gone. Also, right or wrong, the age of consent at that time was 13, reflecting that historically people would live in the same village for their entire lives. It was increased to 18/15 parental consent.

 

It seems that there was recently a bar in the Soi 7 complex that had underage girls and it was rightly busted by the authorities. This is an unusual situation -  Covid desperation maybe. A lot of land got hocked over reduced earning power due to Covid.

 

I remember Trink saying that he used to take journalists 'round so they could see the reality, but gave up as they always published the pre written narrative they had come here with.

 

 

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