Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

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29 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It's actually less but what's a trillion here and there?

what's actually less?

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31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Irrelevant to the post you responded to and also rather one-sided and unfair. 

 

Few countries have strong state laws comparable to the USA. Which country handled Covid well? Really? Who enabled the push for the vaccines? C'mon man.

 

Looks like a busy day.  

 

Next.

There's a myth among the right that it was Trump who enabled, as you put it, the push for the vaccines.  Actually, one of the 2 successful mRNA companies, Moderna, is German. It ultimately licensed its vaccine to Pfizer, but owes nothing to Trump for its development. As for the other mRNA vaccine, intensive work on that began as soon as scientists got hold of its RNA analysis in January of 2020. It wasn't until months later, that operation warp speed was launched.

[Walker88]

3 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

As I'm not American in easy terms how can a man charged with so many offenses be even be considered as a potential President and be allowed to stand in front of thousands and proclaim other Americans are liars and cheats? I don't want to hear whataboutism or what others did in the past it's about now how can Trump do what he is doing now?

Why?

 

Because there's lots of territory way left of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve, plus we have an anachronism called the Electoral College that obviates the nationwide popular vote.

[BarraMarra]

9 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Why?

 

Because there's lots of territory way left of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve, plus we have an anachronism called the Electoral College that obviates the nationwide popular vote.

Again I don't understand this IQ Bell ? anachronism ? obviates ? is it Dutch ?

 

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21 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Sweden!

They did OK but still lost 24k people. Per head of population, Germany actually did better.

[BarraMarra]

1 hour ago, James Roderick said:

Didn't Bill Clinton do something similar - does the name Lewinski ring a bell!!

 

yes Rotten to the core.

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28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? 8 trillion dollars divided by 4 is 1 T/yr? To be fair, it was actually 7.8 trillion. So it was really only 1.95 trillion per year.

Again you choose to ignore the first Covid year. Read back. 

[BarraMarra]

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There's a myth among the right that it was Trump who enabled, as you put it, the push for the vaccines.  Actually, one of the 2 successful mRNA companies, Moderna, is German. It ultimately licensed its vaccine to Pfizer, but owes nothing to Trump for its development. As for the other mRNA vaccine, intensive work on that began as soon as scientists got hold of its RNA analysis in January of 2020. It wasn't until months later, that operation warp speed was launched.

lol didn't Trump say Bleach could work .

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1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

lol didn't Trump say Bleach could work .

That was his hair.....................????

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30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Cute. Biden has been pilloried by the right  for the sharp post pandemic rise in inflation. 

No he hasn't but Biden has claimed that his "Bidenomics" (where did that term suddenly come from?) regime has worked miracles, while ignoring the fact that the sharp rises in GDP and jobs in 2021/2 were the results of a normally expected rebound in economic activity after the worst effects of Covid had passed. 

[Walker88]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Good post. 

The American public are not as gullible as the persecutors think. 

Its obvious that this is politically motivated, they are terrified of there being Biden having a fair contest with Trump. 

Imagine a debate between the two! 

The Senate is a (R) majority when he was impeached for trying to overthrow the govt. Meaningless 'acquittal'.

 

This time he won't be so lucky.SC Smith is thorough and relentless, and has already obviated trump's defense strategy of "He has a First Amendment right to lie about losing the election". Smith also now has 20+ (R) witnesses, many appointed by trump, who will testify trump admitted he knew he lost the election. Also, trump has no defense that "my lawyer told me appointing fake electors was legal", because 1) it is illegal, and 2) NO ONE could ever argue "My lawyer told me it was okay to rob a bank". Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

Only abject idiots think trump's intent was not to overthrow the govt, eradicate American democracy, and install himself in power.

 

Incidentally, Biden crushed the twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, 6-time bankrupt traitor trump in 2020. Biden has since taken the 6.8% UE and Recession trump left behind, and has UE down to 3.4% (a 55-year low), a growing economy, and via the Fed has dealt with the infglation cause by trump running up $7,800,000,000,000 new National Debt---or $24000 for every man, woman and child in the US---in just 4 years. Biden also got a bipartisan infrastructure Bill passed, something trump failed to do even when he had an (R) House and an (R) Senate.

 

As for the debate, Biden is clever enough to get under trump's skin.

 

Remember what Stormy said:

 

"Not quite freakishly small, but well below average". Oooh, that will leave a mark !

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9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Again you choose to ignore the first Covid year. Read back. 

So it's wrong to ignore the first covid year but it's okay say to compare Trump to Obama who inherited the worst financial disaster since the Great depression?.Or to ignore the fact that Biden inherited an economy disrupted by covid? Double standards much?

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

But it does count. Biden benefitted from the rebound in 2021. 

Biden LED the rebound. The economy was shrinking when Biden took over the trump carnage.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

As I noted earlier, even before Covid hit and was horribly mismanaged by trump, his quarterly GDP was in the bottom 30% of all Quarters since the end of WWII.  Hardly 'best ever'.

 

After Covid, he fell into the bottom Quartile.

 

Making it even worse, his meager, bottom 30% since WWII growth came via debt. trump added $7,800,000,000,000 of new National Debt, which at that time equaled 41% of all US debt accumulated since 1776. That also represents $24000 for every US person, which subsequently caused the inflation the Fed is now handling.

 

It's little wonder the guy declared 6 bankruptcies, even losing on sure things like casinos. He is the classic answer to the question:

 

"How do you make a small fortune?"   Start with a large one.

 

Between trump's lifetime allowance (until his dad died), plus the inheritance when dad passed, trump was handed over half a billion dollars. Hardly a "self-made" man. Rather, an incompetent spendthrift who brought his lack of business acumen to the White House.

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8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So it's wrong to ignore the first covid year but it's okay say to compare Trump to Obama who inherited the worst financial disaster since the Great depression?.Or to ignore the fact that Biden inherited an economy disrupted by covid? Double standards much?

I thought it was you asking for comparisons.

 

Biden inherited a rebound but still kept spending magic money anyway. 

[Walker88]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No he hasn't but Biden has claimed that his "Bidenomics" (where did that term suddenly come from?) regime has worked miracles, while ignoring the fact that the sharp rises in GDP and jobs in 2021/2 were the results of a normally expected rebound in economic activity after the worst effects of Covid had passed. 

LOL.

 

trump's economy was never much.

 

Now Pres Obama...there's an economic miracle. Obama inherited the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. Both the world banking system and insurance industry were on the verge of collapse, due to things like Synthetic CDO Squareds with CDS yield enhancement kickers.

 

Obama did several things;

 

-he forced US banks to recapitalize, issuing new equity and slashing leverage

-he forced US banks to sell bad debt

-he bailed out the insurance industry and AIG in particular

-he restored faith in the Money Market System

-he restored faith in the Commercial Paper Market

 

Imagine if the insurance industry had gone down. No planes, no trains, no delivery trucks---because who would send out their fleet uninsured?

 

As confidence returned to the banking system and insurance industry, the economy began to rebound. trump was the beneficiary of what Obama did, especially if you try the spurious argument that Biden benefited from anything trump did.

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2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I thought it was you asking for comparisons.

 

Biden inherited a rebound but still kept spending magic money anyway. 

He didn't inherit a rebound. What he inherited was the big spending program from Trump and the Democrats.. Which was necessary and excellent but not an indication of a well economy. 

[Walker88]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I thought it was you asking for comparisons.

 

Biden inherited a rebound but still kept spending magic money anyway. 

Biden's FY2021 budget was $350 billion less than trump's last year, and Biden's FY2022 budget was $1.3 trillion less than trump's last year.

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3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Biden LED the rebound. The economy was shrinking when Biden took over the trump carnage.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

As I noted earlier, even before Covid hit and was horribly mismanaged by trump, his quarterly GDP was in the bottom 30% of all Quarters since the end of WWII.  Hardly 'best ever'.

 

After Covid, he fell into the bottom Quartile.

 

Making it even worse, his meager, bottom 30% since WWII growth came via debt. trump added $7,800,000,000,000 of new National Debt, which at that time equaled 41% of all US debt accumulated since 1776. That also represents $24000 for every US person, which subsequently caused the inflation the Fed is now handling.

 

It's little wonder the guy declared 6 bankruptcies, even losing on sure things like casinos. He is the classic answer to the question:

 

"How do you make a small fortune?"   Start with a large one.

 

Between trump's lifetime allowance (until his dad died), plus the inheritance when dad passed, trump was handed over half a billion dollars. Hardly a "self-made" man. Rather, an incompetent spendthrift who brought his lack of business acumen to the White House.

Who claimed 'best ever'?

 

About 5T was used in 2020 to fight Covid and the economic collapse that it would have caused otherwise. If that money had not been deployed and the US had ended in deep recession then you and yours would have blamed Trump even more, anyway. Unwinnable with you lot. 

 

There is no debate to be had with you. Your obsessive hatred for Trump is far greater than any love that his MAGA fans have for him.

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5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He didn't inherit a rebound. What he inherited was the big spending program from Trump and the Democrats.. Which was necessary and excellent but not an indication of a well economy. 

Half way there, nearly.

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1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Half way there, nearly.

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Average topic 30 replies. Trump topic 500+ replies.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Biden's FY2021 budget was $350 billion less than trump's last year, and Biden's FY2022 budget was $1.3 trillion less than trump's last year.

Maybe because of the enormous 5T against Covid in 2020?

 

It's all relative. Duh!

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Just now, nauseus said:

Maybe because of the enormous 5T against Covid in 2020?

 

It's all relative. Duh!

Yes covid spending. Obviously.

[candide]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What about the 2016 elections? 

Some democrats have a short memory

The Dems did claim massive voter fraud for years? Tried to overturn elections, invented fake electors , voted against certifying elections? And nobody told me?

[Walker88]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Who claimed 'best ever'?

 

 

The twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, 6-time bankrupt trump said it dozens of times.

 

You can find his spurious claims easily with just a quick search.

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4 minutes ago, candide said:

The Dems did claim massive voter fraud for years? Tried to overturn elections, invented fake electors , voted against certifying elections? And nobody told me?

Claimed Russia rigged it for 3 years. You must have been in a cave for 3 years.

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5 minutes ago, bignok said:

Average topic 30 replies. Trump topic 500+ replies.

 

 

Minus your off-topic one..................

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3 minutes ago, bignok said:

Claimed Russia rigged it for 3 years. You must have been in a cave for 3 years.

Right next to Joe's basement probably.

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32 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No he hasn't but Biden has claimed that his "Bidenomics" (where did that term suddenly come from?) regime has worked miracles, while ignoring the fact that the sharp rises in GDP and jobs in 2021/2 were the results of a normally expected rebound in economic activity after the worst effects of Covid had passed. 

Other G7 economies have experienced a similar situation. Yet the US is leading by far for GDP growth compared to pre-pandemic level, has a record low unemployment, and now the lowest inflation in G7.

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2 hours ago, bignok said:

Yes covid spending. Obviously.

False. 

 

"President Trump on the other hand was handed an economy that was growing. In 2017, his first year in office the deficit grew to $666 billion, was $984 billion last year and is projected to be over $1 trillion in 2020 at $1.02 trillion. This would be a 74% increase in just four years and going forward the Federal deficit could escalate to $1.7 trillion in 2030.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/?sh=3b3d7b814819