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Posted
5 hours ago, smedly said:

nonsense

 

you might see a clampdown on agent use and maybe criminal check but that's about it, I don't see a change in thesholds and even if it does change there are still people here on money thresholds from 20 years ago as they were grandfathered

Or the use of agents could well increase significantly

Posted
5 hours ago, proton said:

All speculation, but whatever they do re the requirements they need to close the loophole allowing officers to take bribes to ignore them, as well as extensions being issued to those from other provinces. If they don't, upping the requirements will just increase the corrupt agents business

Seeing as the requirements could be much higher, I would expect the cost to bypass/ignore, get around them, ie facilitation costs, to also increase! Certainly do not expect that money spinner to go anywhere! Surachate Hakparn, tried to quell this years go and got moved to an inactive post!

Posted
6 hours ago, smedly said:

nonsense

 

you might see a clampdown on agent use and maybe criminal check but that's about it, I don't see a change in thesholds and even if it does change there are still people here on money thresholds from 20 years ago as they were grandfathered

It was 19 years ago that the thresholds were raised, about time since inflation is around 10% per year. 

Posted
58 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Criminals are like: ehh ok, then we just setup a business or other structure, or pay more money.

The most successful of all the criminals don't have any kind of criminal record, they will be laughing at this.

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, very few people on U.S. social security would qualify.

I can't see that happening with Thailand ads about getting people retire in Thailand, it seems to me they want more retirees here they not want to put people off.

Posted
4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Malaysia recently did a big overhaul of the MM2H program and it has seen numbers drop significantly.  Makes places like the Phils and Cambodia look more attractive by the day. Heck in Cambodia all it takes is $170 for a one year visa.  No signing in, no reporting, and it is multiple re-entry as well. I think in the Philippines you just need $10,000 for your visa. Or you can pretty much stay for 3 years by renewing and renewing your original visa free entry. 

 

A mistake IMHO if the financial requirements in Thailand are raised. Stricter enforcement, perhaps making the rules less subject to regional variations and the whims of individual immigrantion officers, those would make sense. 

The PI is called SRRV.  It has 4 different options.  The simplest is $20,000 deposit into a PI bank without a pension.  But the SRRV process can be a month or more.  It requires a home country criminal background check, financial documents and a medical exam done in the PI.  So for those who are seeking something similar like the Thai Non O Retirement Ext of Stay this might not be a good fit. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

And what about the banks, that are complicit, in giving IMO false bank statements to Agents/Immigration. How does that even work? 

It's a joke. One guy told me he paid an agent in Pattaya, who took him to the bank which had an immigration officer present. 

Think I'll write to my old pal who was Finance Minister and who helped me get interest from a bank that didn't give interest to foreigners. He caused quite a stir when he shared my photo of a tip box in Khon Kaen immigration on his public Facebook page. 

Immigration are part of the Royal Thai Police and when they are breaking the law, accepting bribes, intimidating honest foreigners to use agents, etc, the people want to know and stop them. 

Ever wonder why agents don't have a Web page? 

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Posted
26 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

If you're here already it will be grandfathered. 

This happened with me in the last big change, from 200k-400k.

Fingers crossed, but as pointed out to me on another thread, they didn't Grandfather in existing Non-IMM OA holders when they introduced the Health Insurance requirement or existing Non-IMM O/OA holders when they made the 800K mandatory for 5 months & 400K for 7 months so who knows what the new government will do. 

 

I just hope whatever happens, consideration is given to guys who have lived here for years & simply don't have "a Home" to go back to anymore.

 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

You are comparing retirees to foreign crime? Nonsense! or is it just because they are ' foreign ' you draw this comparison?

Not at all, separate. 

I was talking about 1%er biker gangs. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

Presumably if they up the deposit to 1.2Million, they’ll up the 65K to 100K pm

 

Thats a significant income to have to have each month, especially as it needs to be Nett of all taxes & any expenses in your home country (approx. £31,500 pa before tax or £2,308b pm after tax).

Every falangie I know here are married and either still have retire extension or marriage extension.

 

2 of them don't have to show money they get 15 months stay in Thailand but have to go out of Thailand to Laos and come back in.

 

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5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Ever wonder why agents don't have a Web page? 

That is nonsense, they usually have web pages!

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It was 19 years ago that the thresholds were raised, about time since inflation is around 10% per year. 

Has Social Security gone up 10% a year for 19 years?......Ha..Ha.....Social Security has only risen just a small bit from 19 years ago.....Most people dont even get 65,000 baht a month ...

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5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Every falangie I know here are married and either still have retire extension or marriage extension.

 

2 of them don't have to show money they get 15 months stay in Thailand but have to go out of Thailand to Laos and come back in.

 

Presumably they get a 1 year Multi (90 day) Entry Non-IMM O (would need to show the 400/800K in some bank or some proof of income to get) & do a border bounce towards the end of it to get the extra 3 months. 

 

Very easy for Marriage visa holders, not so easy for Retirees nowadays though that's the Visa I started on (got it in Penang when I was working in Singapore, used the 800K in my Thai bank, Singapore pay slips & a letter from the British Embassy confirming income - unfortunately the British & American/Australian Embassies no longer provide these ). 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

You do not mention the inequality with Thais married to British nationals being allowed to work, settle,  open businesses freely , buy land and houses in their own name in the UK?  

 

How does that compare with a British guy married to a Thai women in Thailand with the reporting to immigration and money in the bank etc  and no land rights or property rights? 

Thailand still has valid concerns about foreigners married to locals buying land. 

I shouldn't need to point out why. 

 

Yes, there is inequality. I got Thai citizenship easier than my wife could get British citizenship. For example, I didn't need to pass any Thai language tests. She would have to be conversant in English and pass a culture test, I think. 

 

But I was talking about single retirees in the US, the inequality is gigantic. 

Show 800k in the bank for a few months v 17 million invested in US companies. 

 

 

 

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I can't see that happening with Thailand ads about getting people retire in Thailand, it seems to me they want more retirees here they not want to put people off.

They certainly don't want us to leave just to pay more money to have the privilege of living in Thailand. It depends how much this increase will be to be considered good pre people. Usually this means a sizeable increase that we are waiting to see

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8 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

Presumably they get a 1 year Multi (90 day) Entry Non-IMM O (would need to show the 400/800K in some bank or some proof of income to get) & do a border bounce towards the end of it to get the extra 3 months. 

 

Very easy for Marriage visa holders, not so easy for Retirees nowadays though that's the Visa I started on (got it in Penang when I was working in Singapore, used the 800K in my Thai bank, Singapore pay slips & a letter from the British Embassy confirming income - unfortunately the British & American/Australian Embassies no longer provide these ). 

I'm told they go out Thailand and come back with 'O' visa so they don't have to show money only the marriage cert and wife's ID and house book.

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10 minutes ago, BE88 said:

They certainly don't want us to leave just to pay more money to have the privilege of living in Thailand. It depends how much this increase will be to be considered good pre people. Usually this means a sizeable increase that we are waiting to see

Out of interest, how much is a visa for your country? 

 

It's 20,000 baht for a UK 2 year visa. 

6,300 baht  for short term US visa. 

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Posted
38 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

And what about the banks, that are complicit, in giving IMO false bank statements to Agents/Immigration. How does that even work? 

Brown envelopes. ????

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

But I was talking about single retirees in the US, the inequality is gigantic. 

Show 800k in the bank for a few months v 17 million invested in US companies. 

What benefits do Thai retirees on a permanent green card get in the US? What benefits do US retirees on a one year extension get in thailand?

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How receptive will the new government be to making extensions costlier and more difficult?

 

Anutin hates Westerners

Thaksin doesn't like them either.

 

As I said several weeks ago, some things were better with go along, get along Prayuth.

Posted
3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

What benefits do Thai retirees on a permanent green card get in the US? What benefits do US retirees on a one year extension get in thailand?

I was not talking about green card. Can a single Thai retiree get one? 

Posted
1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

I was not talking about green card. Can a single Thai retiree get one? 

Yes, through family reunification. Entire third world villages have been relocated to the US through US immigration's family reunification policy, which is given priority by immigration.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Out of interest, how much is a visa for your country? 

The cost of flights was the main cost ???? from memory UK visa fees were not that much it was getting the visa was the hassle.

 

My wife came 6months holiday first to UK that was the only Visa they would issue first back in 2002.

 

When my wife returned to Thailand she was able to apply for a 2 year visa and staying on in UK after that she could received British citizenship.

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