Public support for new Brexit referendum revealed

[youreavinalaff]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

On the street chat has nothing to do with what is actual fact................????

I agree. Seems to be all Starmer and his cronies are doing.

 

He was in my old home town the other day. Talking to students about university fees. He's going to make them all free. Decided not to tell how, when or where the money is coming from.

 

A couple of days later Rayner was saying how they can't make promises about any spending. Left hand and right hand.

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[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No data then.

Nor have you, there has been no "off the record" vote, only newspaper column chat.

You of all people should know that chat means nothing, actual ticks on a ballot paper do. Look what happened when Boris called an election, most proved wrong....

[transam]

3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I agree. Seems to be all Starmer and his cronies are doing.

 

He was in my old home town the other day. Talking to students about university fees. He's going to make them all free. Decided not to tell how, when or where the money is coming from.

The country knows what they are looking at when it comes to Labour, Corby & Abbott are still fresh in people's minds, I reckon Starmer & Rayner are in that same bracket.....????

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, transam said:

The country knows what they are looking at when it comes to Labour, Corby & Abbott are still fresh in people's minds, I reckon Starmer & Rayner are in that same bracket.....????

Are they really? I hope, for his sake, Starmer's wife doesn't find out. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Nor have you, there has been no "off the record" vote, only newspaper column chat.

You of all people should know that chat means nothing, actual ticks on a ballot paper do. Look what happened when Boris called an election, most proved wrong....

Except:

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/18/britons-would-vote-rejoin-eu

[transam]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except:

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/18/britons-would-vote-rejoin-eu

Of course, they would............????

 

But you, nor I actually know what would happen for the simple reason there has been no actual vote..........????

I find it strange you don't understand that.........????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Of course, they would............????

 

But you, nor I actually know what would happen for the simple reason there has been no actual vote..........????

I find it strange you don't understand that.........????

Oh, so you don’t like the data.

 

 

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, so you don’t like the data.

 

 

I don't like much that you put up, it is usually anti-Britsh cr@p.

Come back when there are results of another referendum vote, not your own personal agenda from across the pond...????

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

I don't like much that you put up, it is usually anti-Britsh cr@p.

Come back when there are results of another referendum vote, not your own personal agenda from across the pond...????

Sorry I don’t recognize your ‘anti-British whatever’.

 

BREXIT has damaged the UK and continues to do so, how being opposed to something that damaged the UK is ‘Anti-Brit’ remains for you to explain.

 

Hey but chill, if you believe public opinion has not moved against BREXIT you’ve nothing to worry about.

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Sorry I don’t recognize your ‘anti-British whatever’.

 

BREXIT has damaged the UK and continues to do so, how being opposed to something that damaged the UK is ‘Anti-Brit’ remains for you to explain.

 

Hey but chill, if you believe public opinion has not moved against BREXIT you’ve nothing to worry about.

I don't worry about anything Brexit related, it was voted for, and implemented.

After reading your stuff for many years, on any thread, I/we know your stance on the UK....????

[Screaming]

I cannot understand why the great citizens of Britain want to give away their sovereignty which is really a complete loss of democracy for them and the rest of the member nations. All Criminal Courts will hand over to Brussels all power, which is corporate law, or ‘commercial rules of contract’ they call ‘Statutes’

All member nation's Prime Ministers will make up the ‘EU Council,’ with a President. This council can amend all treaties at will without peoples recourse under article 48 of the Treaty (self amendment)

 

The EU system under the Lisbon Treaty removes power from the smaller nations in favour of the large countries such as  Germany, France, and Spain. This is about Corporate takeover of nation states, it has nothing whatever to do with a better world for the people. Only un elected Commissioners can make Law for over 500 million people, and the politician’s claim the Treaty is ‘GOOD,’ we need to face facts here, politician’s are thick, brain dead, or happy to destroy every member state involved in this treasonous Treaty. Demos + People Crazy + Rule, lost Democracy Full Stop.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I recall between 3-4 million Labour voters voted to leave the EU in 2016

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984

Or Course some of those voters may have been expelled from the labour party now

Like cancelled?

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I cannot understand why the great citizens of Britain want to give away their sovereignty which is really a complete loss of democracy for them and the rest of the member nations. All Criminal Courts will hand over to Brussels all power, which is corporate law, or ‘commercial rules of contract’ they call ‘Statutes’

All member nation's Prime Ministers will make up the ‘EU Council,’ with a President. This council can amend all treaties at will without peoples recourse under article 48 of the Treaty (self amendment)

 

The EU system under the Lisbon Treaty removes power from the smaller nations in favour of the large countries such as  Germany, France, and Spain. This is about Corporate takeover of nation states, it has nothing whatever to do with a better world for the people. Only un elected Commissioners can make Law for over 500 million people, and the politician’s claim the Treaty is ‘GOOD,’ we need to face facts here, politician’s are thick, brain dead, or happy to destroy every member state involved in this treasonous Treaty. Demos + People Crazy + Rule, lost Democracy Full Stop.

The EU regulation of corporations suggests your ‘Corporate takeover’ is a crock of nonsense.

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The EU regulation of corporations suggests your ‘Corporate takeover’ is a crock of nonsense.

What is a "Crock"...........????

[nauseus]

38 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I cannot understand why the great citizens of Britain want to give away their sovereignty which is really a complete loss of democracy for them and the rest of the member nations. All Criminal Courts will hand over to Brussels all power, which is corporate law, or ‘commercial rules of contract’ they call ‘Statutes’

All member nation's Prime Ministers will make up the ‘EU Council,’ with a President. This council can amend all treaties at will without peoples recourse under article 48 of the Treaty (self amendment)

 

The EU system under the Lisbon Treaty removes power from the smaller nations in favour of the large countries such as  Germany, France, and Spain. This is about Corporate takeover of nation states, it has nothing whatever to do with a better world for the people. Only un elected Commissioners can make Law for over 500 million people, and the politician’s claim the Treaty is ‘GOOD,’ we need to face facts here, politician’s are thick, brain dead, or happy to destroy every member state involved in this treasonous Treaty. Demos + People Crazy + Rule, lost Democracy Full Stop.

The Treaty of Rome was bad enough. The EEC/EC/EU was always intended to be controlled by an unelected few, over the peons. European economic agreements and trade could be arranged separately and would work well, without all the politics. I think that enough of the British saw that and so voted out in 2016. Maybe a reminder is needed? 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

What is a "Crock"...........????

River beast?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

River beast?

I dunno, but in the context it was used, no. Crockery, well he could have meant pot, but I am going with his homeland version, American slang, crock of sh_t....????

[candide]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The EU regulation of corporations suggests your ‘Corporate takeover’ is a crock of nonsense.

As well as the eagerness of the not invisible hand of financial interests get rid of these regulations.

[RayC]

5 hours ago, transam said:

The confusion is yours, some of us had a crystal ball that looked into the future, the Brexit vote dealt with it...............????

Then I'd return that crystal ball if I were you as it's clearly faulty. (I assume that you are not into self-harm and supported Brexit in the mistaken belief that it would be beneficial for the UK).

5 hours ago, transam said:

P.S. ( I must ask, do you post here on any other subject)....????

Rarely. Occasional posts about Thailand and sport. I prefer to stick to subjects where I can tell fact from wishful thinking????

[transam]

Just now, RayC said:

Then I'd return that crystal ball if I were you as it's clearly faulty. (I assume that you are not into self-harm and supported Brexit in the mistaken belief that it would be beneficial for the UK).

Rarely. Occasional posts about Thailand and sport. I prefer to stick to subjects where I can tell fact from wishful thinking????

Witty.............????

[youreavinalaff]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Sorry I don’t recognize your ‘anti-British whatever’.

 

BREXIT has damaged the UK and continues to do so, how being opposed to something that damaged the UK is ‘Anti-Brit’ remains for you to explain.

 

Hey but chill, if you believe public opinion has not moved against BREXIT you’ve nothing to worry about.

Seems we all believe the same as your mate Starmer. If he believed you, he would make sure it was part of his election campaign. Imagine that, on just one policy he has the majority of the electorate, apparently.

 

Oh wait, he hasn't done it. That suggests he is concerned of a negative impact such a move might make. 

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Seems we all believe the same as your mate Starmer. If he believed you, he would make sure it was part of his election campaign. Imagine that, on just one policy he has the majority of the electorate, apparently.

 

Oh wait, he hasn't done it. That suggests he is concerned of a negative impact such a move might make. 

Or he knows what issues are the weaknesses in his rival while concerns for voters.

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or he knows what issues are the weaknesses in his rival while concerns for voters.

 

 

I doubt it. He seems confused on most issues.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, transam said:

I dunno, but in the context it was used, no. Crockery, well he could have meant pot, but I am going with his homeland version, American slang, crock of sh_t....????

You're probably right.

[RayC]

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

The Treaty of Rome was bad enough. The EEC/EC/EU was always intended to be controlled by an unelected few, over the peons.

Your opinion. My opinion is that is utter nonsense.

 

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

European economic agreements and trade could be arranged separately and would work well, without all the politics.

How? What's the template? ASEAN? If so, any semblance of quality control, product integrity, etc goes by the wayside. Alternatively, bi-lateral agreements? So each of the current EU member states' enters into individual agreements with each other (+/-350 agreements in total). Not so simple.

 

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

I think that enough of the British saw that and so voted out in 2016. Maybe a reminder is needed? 

I would have thought that the difficulties experienced since the referendum result would serve as enough of a reminder. If more evidence of the foolishness of the 2016 decision is needed you could start with the above and add plenty more.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Your opinion. My opinion is that is utter nonsense.

 

How? What's the template? ASEAN? If so, any semblance of quality control, product integrity, etc goes by the wayside. Alternatively, bi-lateral agreements? So each of the current EU member states' enters into individual agreements with each other (+/-350 agreements in total). Not so simple.

 

I would have thought that the difficulties experienced since the referendum result would serve as enough of a reminder. If more evidence of the foolishness of the 2016 decision is needed you could start with the above and add plenty more.

 

You sound like Mandelson. So we will disagree, forever.

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

I doubt it. He seems confused on most issues.

He seems not to be confused on what needs to be done about BREXIT:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/17/keir-starmer-commits-to-rewriting-brexit-deal-if-labour-wins-election

[JonnyF]

42 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He seems not to be confused on what needs to be done about BREXIT:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/17/keir-starmer-commits-to-rewriting-brexit-deal-if-labour-wins-election

Oh really? Starmer will rewrite the deal? The EU might have something to say about that. The EU certainly isn't going to agree to a deal that is better for Britain, so what Starmer appears to be doing is committing to a deal that is better for the EU.

 

Selling the UK down the river. No wonder you support him.

 

God help the UK if Labour are elected. 

 

Anyway, still plenty of time for Labour to screw it up. I am sure they can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Oh really? Starmer will rewrite the deal? The EU might have something to say about that. The EU certainly isn't going to agree to a deal that is better for Britain, so what Starmer appears to be doing is committing to a deal that is better for the EU.

 

Selling the UK down the river. No wonder you support him.

 

God help the UK if Labour are elected. 

 

Anyway, still plenty of time for Labour to screw it up. I am sure they can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

The failing BREXIT deal is due for renewal in 2025 regardless of which political party is in power.

 

On what basis you claim Starmer is, or plans to, sell the UK down the river remains to be explained.

 

I am very much looking forward to the election. 

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The failing BREXIT deal is due for renewal in 2025 regardless of which political party is in power.

 

On what basis you claim Starmer is, or plans to, sell the UK down the river remains to be explained.

 

I am very much looking forward to the election. 

Failing? The figures you've been quoting for ages have been revised. Didn't you get the memo? Or more likely you saw it and are still gaslighting...

 

https://www.ft.com/content/50386cc2-003b-4af1-946b-cf3243da810f

 

 

Starmer and his self loathing chums at Labour hate the UK. That's why they are so desperate to rejoin the EU and will do anything to achieve it, including destroying the country.

 

Look forward to the election as much as you like, only us Brits can vote, not the Brit hating American Democrats  (thankfully).