‘Biased.’ ‘Corrupt.’ ‘Deranged.’ Trump’s Taunts Test Limits of Release.

[RichardColeman]

I think people wanting this to go bad for Trump should be very very worried about freedom of speech in the USA.

 

Any prosecution of anyone for political reasons or political interference is severely risking the USA freedom of party not in charge. If you can start raising prosecutions on your opponents in your state that voted 96% say against your opponent then any prosecution should ultimately go through. 

 

The only way that any ex president can get a fair trial is by appointing both democrat AND republican voters on any jury - and not have it that the total dems out number the reps so much any partial verdict could go through just based on political voting. Ultimately a jury should really only vote Trump guilty if they can persuade Trump voters on the jury that Trump is guilty

 

In any normal country the jury would be 50/50 as that would represent the country in total.

 

Anyone that thinks Trump would get a fair trial with 12 democrats on the jury and a democrat judge would be saying they would fully support a black man being tried by  a jury of 12 white KKK'ers and a KKK judge !

 

Lastly this mad prosecution of 19 defendants is mad - each defendant will probably have 4 lawyers - so 50 lawyers in the room, all of which can object to any question. It's going to be a farce - but great TV.

 

 

[MonteD]

On 8/17/2023 at 9:15 AM, ozimoron said:

I do. I want Trump locked up right now without any trial and they should drop the key off a boat over the Mariana's Trench.

 

oh, wait. You said credible....

100% TDS

[placeholder]

On 8/17/2023 at 1:33 PM, bendejo said:

They are going to appeal anyway.  If the bail is revoked and they keep him in the cage until the verdict is in he will be in a right hurry to move it along.  House arrest means access to comms, so he'd be able to keep intimidating, like they caught Manafort doing.

They should take away his Secret Service detail, let his patriot army take care of him: https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-news-2663598788/

 

Do the crime, do the time.

 

Most likely, house arrest wouldn't mean access to cons any more than if he were incarcerated.. Access would be denied as part of the court order.

[spidermike007]

I think legal professors would argue there is a difference between free speech and allowing a petulant, juvenile, crass law breaker to always have his way. His defiance is nothing more than a man who has always believed he is above the law, witnessing his own downfall. Fighting is all he has in him. He is a very sad man, and watching him squirm is great fun. 

[Skeptic7]

On 8/17/2023 at 1:08 PM, Isaan sailor said:

Democrat judge and jury—sounds fair, right?

Stolen classified docs case in South Florida where nearly everyone is a Republican (jury pool) and a novice far right-wingnut Trump appointed judge.

 

Sounds fair, right? 

[eisfeld]

He might also be trying to provoke some overreaction by the judge so he can easily push for mistrial.

 

On second thought, nah he's just the usual unhinged and trying to rally his mob.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

I think people wanting this to go bad for Trump should be very very worried about freedom of speech in the USA.

 

Any prosecution of anyone for political reasons or political interference is severely risking the USA freedom of party not in charge. If you can start raising prosecutions on your opponents in your state that voted 96% say against your opponent then any prosecution should ultimately go through. 

 

The only way that any ex president can get a fair trial is by appointing both democrat AND republican voters on any jury - and not have it that the total dems out number the reps so much any partial verdict could go through just based on political voting. Ultimately a jury should really only vote Trump guilty if they can persuade Trump voters on the jury that Trump is guilty

 

In any normal country the jury would be 50/50 as that would represent the country in total.

 

Anyone that thinks Trump would get a fair trial with 12 democrats on the jury and a democrat judge would be saying they would fully support a black man being tried by  a jury of 12 white KKK'ers and a KKK judge !

 

Lastly this mad prosecution of 19 defendants is mad - each defendant will probably have 4 lawyers - so 50 lawyers in the room, all of which can object to any question. It's going to be a farce - but great TV.

Freedom of speech has never been absolute.  You can not indicate you have a gun and tell someone "Your money or your life" and you can't announce you are going after those who are prosecuting you and have your minions publish contact information of those involved in the prosecution.

 

I believe most trials by jury require jurors be agreed upon by both the defense and prosecution, so your insistence on selection by party is just an attempt to politicize the justice system.

 

 

[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, MonteD said:

100% TDS

Yes, the topic is about Trump acting deranged.

[pomchop]

33 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

I think people wanting this to go bad for Trump should be very very worried about freedom of speech in the USA.

 

Any prosecution of anyone for political reasons or political interference is severely risking the USA freedom of party not in charge. If you can start raising prosecutions on your opponents in your state that voted 96% say against your opponent then any prosecution should ultimately go through. 

 

The only way that any ex president can get a fair trial is by appointing both democrat AND republican voters on any jury - and not have it that the total dems out number the reps so much any partial verdict could go through just based on political voting. Ultimately a jury should really only vote Trump guilty if they can persuade Trump voters on the jury that Trump is guilty

 

In any normal country the jury would be 50/50 as that would represent the country in total.

 

Anyone that thinks Trump would get a fair trial with 12 democrats on the jury and a democrat judge would be saying they would fully support a black man being tried by  a jury of 12 white KKK'ers and a KKK judge !

 

Lastly this mad prosecution of 19 defendants is mad - each defendant will probably have 4 lawyers - so 50 lawyers in the room, all of which can object to any question. It's going to be a farce - but great TV.

 

 

 

Where to begin:

 

  As for the jury you conveniently forget that all it takes is ONE juror to vote to acquit and no matter if 11 others say guilty and if the evidence says guilty trump goes free.  It is not a 50/50 vote...the system is purposely stacked in FAVOR of the defendant that it must be UNINAIMOUS and you can bet that there will be at least a few republicans on any jury..there is no such thing as a "partial verdict" or a "normal country with 50/50 jury" guaranteed...it is either guily or not guilty on each count.....and as to makeup it is likely that florida jury pool will be pro trump while DC pool will be anti trump....maybe donnie should have committed all his crimes in alabama or somewhere that confederate and trump flags are still flying...or just maybe the various juries will do what they swear to do and that is to weigh all the evidence and vote guilty IF they are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. 

 

As to the 19 denfendants the odds are very high that half or more of them will flip and testify against the others in return for  a favorable plea deal...and even if not we don't just say oh that's oke donnie, we will cancel the GA trial as it may not be convenient for you.

 

There are consequences to obstructing justice, taking top secret files and refusing to return them and lie about even having them...there are consequences for being part of conspiracies to refuse to accept the valid results of an election and attempt to overthrow the will of the voters.  How does illegally taking classified docs then lying over and over to the government that you have complied when you know damn well you have not somehow deprive trump of his "free speech"

 

Contrary to what trumpers seem to think a prosecutors job is to present evidence of a probable cause that a crime has been committed and then a grand jury decides whether to indict or not.  Any prosecutor who had the evidence that they have in the docs/obstruction case especially which is about as cut and dried as is possible who did not present to a grand jury would be a disgrace.

 

Prosecutors do not just decide oh lets try the case here because the jury pool is pro or anti trump...it's called venue and is determined by the place where most of the charged crimes were committed....

 

And finally as to the big pile  and dem "witch hunt"  notice that almost every single witness in the cases is a life long republican...many appointed or hired by trump that voted for trump...but i guess that the dems managed to somehow get all these republicans to just make up a bunch of lies as to what they saw and heard with their own eyes and ears as part of the witch hunt...and of course the repubs who are testifying under oath are fully aware that they will likely get death threats on themselves as well as their family that may go on for decades....that is some powerful persusaion by the dems to get them to go along with that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RichardColeman]

26 minutes ago, pomchop said:

There are consequences to obstructing justice

Are you fully aware that the 11.5 million documents the prosecution want to use if printed out, would be 5,000 ft high ! and to view them it would be the same as reading war and peace 78 times a day prior to trial date set by the mad Georgia woman ? ? There is no way on earth that any trial could start before they have been read and this is why Trump is proposing 2026. The daft woman in Georgia has made any guilty verdict completely overturnable by not allowing time to present a defence if it goes ahead

 

The paperwork needing to be reviewed by EACH defendant prior to trial is EIGHT times the height of the Washington monument ! Let that sink in !

 

[pomchop]

2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Are you fully aware that the 11.5 million documents the prosecution want to use if printed out, would be 5,000 ft high ! and to view them it would be the same as reading war and peace 78 times a day prior to trial date set by the mad Georgia woman ? ? There is no way on earth that any trial could start before they have been read and this is why Trump is proposing 2026. The daft woman in Georgia has made any guilty verdict completely overturnable by not allowing time to present a defence if it goes ahead

 

The paperwork needing to be reviewed by EACH defendant prior to trial is EIGHT times the height of the Washington monument ! Let that sink in !

 

DO a tiny bit of research and you will see that addressed already...docs are now provided electronically and computers scan them to do searchs for pertinent info....nobody sits and sorts through the paper anymore....and nobody is going to print it out and nobody is going to read it all.  

 

On top of that the prosecution by jack smith also provided a summary of the pertinent docs that will be introduced to assist the defense in looking around and any judge would be quick to reject any docs not highlighted to the defense...yet another BS fox news talking point with no basis in fact as to how it really works in the days of computers.

[pomchop]

Fulton County Ga jail cell.  
That toilet must be silver as does not appear to be gold?

 

[RichardColeman]

29 minutes ago, pomchop said:

yet another BS fox news talking point with no basis in fact as to how it really works in the days of computers.

Actually I saw it on an independent US lawyer podcast - not fox.

 

As for your comments about the prosecution making highlights for the defence  - get real, I have seen their notes about 'post-it' markers, but what sort of an idiot would rely on prosecution notes without reviewing every document !

 

And that 11.5 million does not even include ant defence requested documents based on the evidence supplied. I would imagine this case doing exactly what it is made to do - just tie up the opposition and eventually fall apart.

 

[wwest5829]

On 8/17/2023 at 10:28 AM, stevenl said:

There is nothing that will be done. Changing the trial date to an earlier date really is not feasible and would only be grounds for an appeal. And putting him in jail? House arrest seems the only practical option, Not allowing or limiting access to Truth Social would impede his first amendment rights.
He has gotten away with breaking the law for a long time already and is able to continue doing so for the moment.

"House Arrest" smacks of Myanmar and other third world governments, I'm thinking.

[metisdead]

An off topic trolling post about Taksin contravening our Community Standards has been removed.

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18 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

"House Arrest" smacks of Myanmar and other third world governments, I'm thinking.

No consequences for violating court rules smacks of a banana republic.

[wwest5829]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

No consequences for violating court rules smacks of a banana republic.

 I just favor other means rather than the visuals of the USA using "House Arrest". Fines or "Contempt of Court" incarceration come to mind. Same as I would face as a US citizen under similar circumstances.

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, eisfeld said:

He might also be trying to provoke some overreaction by the judge so he can easily push for mistrial.

 

On second thought, nah he's just the usual unhinged and trying to rally his mob.

That would be a rational strategy. Trump is way beyond rational, at this point. He is driven by pure, juvenile emotion. 

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

 I just favor other means rather than the visuals of the USA using "House Arrest". Fines or "Contempt of Court" incarceration come to mind. Same as I would face as a US citizen under similar circumstances.

Given the complications due to the presence of the Secret Service, house arrest is a more specific option and a more likely one, too. 

[pomchop]

49 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Actually I saw it on an independent US lawyer podcast - not fox.

 

As for your comments about the prosecution making highlights for the defence  - get real, I have seen their notes about 'post-it' markers, but what sort of an idiot would rely on prosecution notes without reviewing every document !

 

And that 11.5 million does not even include ant defence requested documents based on the evidence supplied. I would imagine this case doing exactly what it is made to do - just tie up the opposition and eventually fall apart.

 

It's all right here...have fun

https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-5000-issues-related-trials-and-other-court-proceedings

 

[ballpoint]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

Fulton County Ga jail cell.  
That toilet must be silver as does not appear to be gold?

 

I can't wait for his rendition of the Fulton Prison Blues.

[Bangkok Barry]

On 8/17/2023 at 1:08 PM, Isaan sailor said:

Democrat judge and jury—sounds fair, right?

What do his alleged crimes have to do with politics? None at all. They are criminal and federal charges. Nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the law and constitution. 

[Skipalongcassidy]

30 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

What do his alleged crimes have to do with politics? None at all. They are criminal and federal charges. Nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the law and constitution. 

The saddest part of this story is that you and some others here really believe what you are saying about Trump because you believe he is a despicable person and he may or may not be... yet you are the same ones who constantly rave against jailing murderers and rapists because it is cruel... 5555555

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The saddest part of this story is that you and some others here really believe what you are saying about Trump because you believe he is a despicable person and he may or may not be... yet you are the same ones who constantly rave against jailing murderers and rapists because it is cruel... 5555555

How about separating children from their parents and failing to keep records?

[Bangkok Barry]

19 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

52 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

What do his alleged crimes have to do with politics? None at all. They are criminal and federal charges. Nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the law and constitution. 

The saddest part of this story is that you and some others here really believe what you are saying about Trump because you believe he is a despicable person and he may or may not be... yet you are the same ones who constantly rave against jailing murderers and rapists because it is cruel... 5555555

You accuse me of 'raving' against jailing murders and rapists, which is a downright lie. I challenge you to find any post of mine in which I've done that. Continue and you'll be reported for lying about a fellow member. But I'd expect nothing less from a blinkered Trump supporter, trying to deflect what he is alleged to have done by trying to blame others for something that is entirely unrelated.

[newnative]

On 8/17/2023 at 1:08 PM, Isaan sailor said:

Democrat judge and jury—sounds fair, right?

    Sorry, not gonna fly.  Obeying the law is neither Democrat nor Republican.  Well, let's see--I'm a Democrat, so I'm allowed to steal.  Well, let's see--I'm a Republican, so I'm allowed to murder.  Nope, the law is the law, regardless of party.  Trump was warned, he should be locked up until the trial, with only access to scheduled visitors and his lawyers.   He needs to learn some respect for the law, and also be reminded that he is not above the law.

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

"House Arrest" smacks of Myanmar and other third world governments, I'm thinking.

You failed to put a question mark  after the "I'm thinking" 

[Jingthing]

46 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The saddest part of this story is that you and some others here really believe what you are saying about Trump because you believe he is a despicable person and he may or may not be... yet you are the same ones who constantly rave against jailing murderers and rapists because it is cruel... 5555555

You made that up.

[wwest5829]

22 minutes ago, sirineou said:

You failed to put a question mark  after the "I'm thinking" 

Cute

[wwest5829]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Given the complications due to the presence of the Secret Service, house arrest is a more specific option and a more likely one, too. 

Point taken. Still not good … but then there are no good scenarios until the Trial Juries state their decisions … if then …