Trump surrenders for historic fourth arrest

[LosLobo]

16 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I haven't been "programmed" to take an interest in other people weight and I have no interest in how much our Dear leader weighs or how much our Dear Leader says he weighs .

   Same goes for all people and not just our Dear Leader , like I am not bothered about Vladimir Putin and how  much he weighs .

   Maybe you need to question why you take such an interest in our Dear Leader (and his weight)?

'Dear leader', aka, rapist and four times arrested criminal defendant, regularly fat-shames those who do not hold him in the high esteem that you obviously do.

 

It is commendable that you haven't been 'programmed' by your 'dear leader' at least in this aspect.

 

Donald Trump is Overweight, But Has a History of Fat-Shaming (newsweek.com)

 

[jerrymahoney]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I've not one of those who has accused you though so all rather irrelevant to me.

I have voted in every US Presidential election since 1972. I cannot register again to vote in 2024 due to Patriot Act concerns so Trump if the nominee gets a free ride from me.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I have voted in every US Presidential election since 1972. I cannot register again to vote in 2024 due to Patriot Act concerns so Trump if the nominee gets a free ride from me.

Good for you, if I was American I would break my life long habit of never voting and add my single vote weight to helping ensure the scumbag never touches the White House again

[jerrymahoney]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Good for you, if I was American I would break my life long habit of never voting and add my single vote weight to helping ensure the scumbag never touches the White House again

I also hope the (as you said) never gets to be President again and, to me, that is paramount to the disposition of any of these criminal trials.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I have voted in every US Presidential election since 1972. I cannot register again to vote in 2024 due to Patriot Act concerns so Trump if the nominee gets a free ride from me.

I find it hard to believe that you can't register to vote.

[earlinclaifornia]

10 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

I will be happy when I see pictures of Donald Trump wearing prison orange,  or pink if he goes to Arizona.

  He is one criminal that deserves jail time, I am not surprised that he has so many followers though, in America

and other places many people follow other bad people. Jim Jones, etc.

His followers claim they trust him more than they do there OWN family and friends.

That is a reality few can  argue is not normal. Imagine if any of us felt that sort of adornment.

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I find it hard to believe that you can't register to vote.

In Florida, they allow you to register even if you no longer live at your last registered address which was the home of my late Mother.

 

To so register you are asked about your intentions to re-patriate at some time or never and that becomes public record which might put my financial accounts in jeopardy if they ever saw that I truthfully never intend to relocate to Florida. ... or else I lie.

[earlinclaifornia]

18 hours ago, ballpoint said:

Meanwhile, the true meaning of the term "mugshot" comes to light on Trump's official online merchandise sale's page, because the mugs will be buying it.

 

"Never Surrender"?  But didn't he just...  Oh well, we'll add that lie to the rest.

 

Gov. Sununu: Trump’s mug shot will turn off independents

https://www.msnbc.com/inside-with-jen-psaki/donald-trump-mug-shot-independents-chris-sununu-rcna101877

Independents have a good sense of right and wrong.

[metisdead]

Some off topic baiting posts in violation of our Community Standards have been removed as this topic is not about Brexit. 

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

In Florida, they allow you to register even if you no longer live at your last registered address which was the home of my late Mother.

 

To so register you are asked about your intentions to re-patriate at some time or never and that becomes public record which might put my financial accounts in jeopardy if they ever saw that I truthfully never intend to relocate to Florida. ... or else I lie.

OK. 

I got you now.

 

Of course you can  register as an expat like any other expat. 

 

Up to you but I seriously doubt the voting registration  system communicates with financial institutions. 

[jerrymahoney]

42 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

OK. 

I got you now.

 

Of course you can  register as an expat like any other expat. 

Up to you but I seriously doubt the voting registration  system communicates with financial institutions. 

Probably not but I ran into the Patriot Act buzz saw a few years ago and I do not intend to have it happen again ...

 

and the questions they asked were more than I care to answer if not necessary.

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

And you are certain that's what happened in the Bedminster incident or are you suggesting there are others?

 

"On the recording, according to two people familiar with its contents, Mr. Trump can be heard flipping through papers as he talks to a publisher and writer working on a book by his final White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows. Mr. Trump and the people in the meeting do not explicitly say what document the former president is holding."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/us/politics/trump-classified-document-fox-news.html

 

There's a video of him saying it.

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1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

There's a video of him saying it.

Actually, it's an audio, but the gist is the same.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, it's an audio, but the gist is the same.

So, proof, right?

[jerrymahoney]

CNN first reported last week that prosecutors had obtained the audio recording of Trump’s 2021 meeting at his Bedminster, New Jersey, resort, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former president, including communications specialist Margo Martin.

 

The transcript of the audio recording suggests that Trump is showing the document he’s discussing to those in the room. Several sources have told CNN the recording captures the sound of paper rustling, as if Trump was waving the document around, though is not clear if it was the actual Iran document.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/trump-tape-didnt-declassify-secret-information/index.html

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20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

So, proof, right?

Well, given that Jack Smith has entered it as potential evidence in a very high profile case, I'd say yes. 

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8 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

CNN first reported last week that prosecutors had obtained the audio recording of Trump’s 2021 meeting at his Bedminster, New Jersey, resort, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former president, including communications specialist Margo Martin.

 

The transcript of the audio recording suggests that Trump is showing the document he’s discussing to those in the room. Several sources have told CNN the recording captures the sound of paper rustling, as if Trump was waving the document around, though is not clear if it was the actual Iran document.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/trump-tape-didnt-declassify-secret-information/index.html

Doesn't the transcript also show that Trump claims it was a classified document, one that he said he couldn't declassify it then because he was no longer President?

[jerrymahoney]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Doesn't the transcript also show that Trump claims it was a classified document, one that he said he couldn't declassify it then because he was no longer President?

This is from the link I posted above early this morning which prompted the tag team so I will just leave at this:

 

But to convict Trump, the prosecutors will have to show all 31 documents to the jury, making them public and available to anyone — including our foreign enemies. Moreover, my experience in Espionage Act cases has shown that the prosecution often has to disclose additional classified information to explain why the retained documents were potentially damaging. The government will have to reveal vastly more classified information than if it decided not to proceed with the case. And that does not include the additional classified documents the defense will claim it needs to show to make its case.

 

https://archive.is/UJhXJ#selection-1237.0-1237.599

 

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1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

This is from the link I posted above early this morning which prompted the tag team so I will just leave at this:

 

But to convict Trump, the prosecutors will have to show all 31 documents to the jury, making them public and available to anyone — including our foreign enemies. Moreover, my experience in Espionage Act cases has shown that the prosecution often has to disclose additional classified information to explain why the retained documents were potentially damaging. The government will have to reveal vastly more classified information than if it decided not to proceed with the case. And that does not include the additional classified documents the defense will claim it needs to show to make its case.

 

https://archive.is/UJhXJ#selection-1237.0-1237.599

 

 

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

This is from the link I posted above early this morning which prompted the tag team so I will just leave at this:

 

But to convict Trump, the prosecutors will have to show all 31 documents to the jury, making them public and available to anyone — including our foreign enemies. Moreover, my experience in Espionage Act cases has shown that the prosecution often has to disclose additional classified information to explain why the retained documents were potentially damaging. The government will have to reveal vastly more classified information than if it decided not to proceed with the case. And that does not include the additional classified documents the defense will claim it needs to show to make its case.

 

https://archive.is/UJhXJ#selection-1237.0-1237.599

 

Isn't there is thing in law called consciousness of guilt? And wouldn't Trump's lies about the document being just newspapers and magazines go a long way towards proving that Trump believed what he did  violated the law?

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Isn't there is thing in law called consciousness of guilt? And wouldn't Trump's lies about the document being just newspapers and magazines go a long way towards proving that Trump believed what he did  violated the law?

Beats me, Mr. Interrogatory

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6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Beats me, Mr. Interrogatory

You've gone curiously ignorant on this subject yet you seem to possess so much detailed information about other aspects of the law. Curious, isn't it?

 

CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT
Consciousness of Guilt is both a concept and a type of circumstantial evidence used in criminal trials by prosecutors. It refers to a powerful and highly incriminating inference that a judge or jury may draw from the statements or conduct of a defendant (accused) after a crime has been committed suggesting that the defendant knows he or she is guilty of the charged crime. In other words, the defendant's conduct after the crime is circumstantial (indirect) evidence that the defendant intended to commit the crime, or, in fact, committed the crime. 

https://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/legal-dictionary/c/consciousness-of-guilt/

 

The article goes on to list telling lies as one proof of consciousness of guilt. That you think this needs explaining is odd in itself.

[Felton Jarvis]

America is now providing comedy relief for the entire world. I can remember when even our enemies respected us. These days, the USA has become fodder for comedy shows and satire magazines.  Sad.

[jerrymahoney]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You've gone curiously ignorant on this subject yet you seem to possess so much detailed information about other aspects of the law. Curious, isn't it?

No I've been on this topic since about 6 AM this morn with your fellow tag team members an I am tired.

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Just now, jerrymahoney said:

No I've been on this topic since about 6 AM this morn with your fellow tag team members an I am tired.

My fellow tag team members? I split from that crew after they didn't include me in the group photo. And the point I raised is such a basic one that not even a sudden onset of fatigue, can readily explain your bemusement.

[jerrymahoney]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

My fellow tag team members? I split from that crew after they didn't include me in the group photo. And the point I raised is such a basic one that not even a sudden onset of fatigue, can readily explain your bemusement.

To quote Clark Gable as Rhett Butler: 

 

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

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1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

To quote Clark Gable as Rhett Butler: 

 

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

Well, my exclusion from the group photo still hurts. Thanks for not caring.

As for the consciousness of guilt thing, you've got nothing.

[dogblower]

Some brilliant parody accounts on here. Enjoying this immensely.

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, pomchop said:

Interesting but there are plenty of other very experienced lawyers who say the obstruction is a slam dunk....my guess is out of 91 different felony charges that donnie will be convicted of several...and many of them have mandatory min sentences of 5 years so would only take a couple to lock him up for essentially life.

 

..of course we all know he will delay delay delay and then if found guilty will appeal appeal appeal in an attempt to drag it all out...it is my understanding though if u are convicted and sentenced of felony that u may well be incararated while your appeals are working their way up...otherwise i doubt any rich person with enough lawyers would ever actually go to jail as they would die first ....hopefully a few judges may actually get tired of the games and say enough with the motions lets go to trial.

 

oh happy day if i ever live long enough to not see or hear the name trump for a whole month or two...

Why not lead the way then?

[Danderman123]

32 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

America is now providing comedy relief for the entire world. I can remember when even our enemies respected us. These days, the USA has become fodder for comedy shows and satire magazines.  Sad.

yep, electing Trump in 2016 made America into comedy fodder.

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

This is from the link I posted above early this morning which prompted the tag team so I will just leave at this:

 

But to convict Trump, the prosecutors will have to show all 31 documents to the jury, making them public and available to anyone — including our foreign enemies. Moreover, my experience in Espionage Act cases has shown that the prosecution often has to disclose additional classified information to explain why the retained documents were potentially damaging. The government will have to reveal vastly more classified information than if it decided not to proceed with the case. And that does not include the additional classified documents the defense will claim it needs to show to make its case.

 

https://archive.is/UJhXJ#selection-1237.0-1237.599

 

Wouldn't sensitive, classified documents be exposed only in "in camera" court sessions?