Trump surrenders for historic fourth arrest

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Charges mean absolutely nothing until there's been a conviction in Court .

   We seem to have reached a point where allegations are the new convictions .

   Being found guilty seems to have become irrelevant and what counts are the allegations/charges .

  

 

Trump's gone where no U.S. president has ever gone before:

 

Past presidents, while never indicted, have faced legal woes of their own

"If you live in America today, the one historical fact you are most likely to have heard is that former President Donald Trump is the first U.S. president ever to face criminal charges."

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/03/1167662256/past-presidents-while-never-indicted-have-faced-legal-woes-of-their-own\

 

Nixon didn't. Clinton didn't, despite their misdeeds. Neither did any of the prior presidents in the U.S.'s almost 250 year history.

 

It took Trump to become the first, now four times over.

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Reminds me of Thaksin when the Junta went after him politically.

 

The only difference being, Trump is staying to defend himself instead of Thaksin who fled the country.

 

Lots of parallels between Thailand under the Junta and the US under Biden. Sad times.

Golly, talk about stretching things!

[Jelli]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Reminds me of Thaksin when the Junta went after him politically.

 

The only difference being, Trump is staying to defend himself instead of Thaksin who fled the country.

 

Lots of parallels between Thailand under the Junta and the US under Biden. Sad times.

Massive parallels between US and Thailand over last 20+ years. Not in a good way for either.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You can celebrate charges , no one said you couldn't do that (and thus there's no need to ask whether you can or can not do that)

Then in what way do you think the lefties partying on here are regarding convictions as irrelevant?

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Trump's gone where no U.S. president has ever gone before:

 

Past presidents, while never indicted, have faced legal woes of their own

"If you live in America today, the one historical fact you are most likely to have heard is that former President Donald Trump is the first U.S. president ever to face criminal charges."

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/03/1167662256/past-presidents-while-never-indicted-have-faced-legal-woes-of-their-own\

 

Nixon didn't. Clinton didn't, despite their misdeeds. Neither did any of the prior presidents in the U.S.'s almost 250 year history.

 

It took Trump to become the first, now four times over.

 

 

Is Trump the first President to be President , leave office and then run again four years later ?

[LosLobo]

59 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Badass.

Bigass!

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Is Trump the first President to be President , leave office and then run again four years later ?

No

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/11/16/few-former-presidents-have-run-for-their-old-jobs-or-anything-else-after-leaving-office/

[LosLobo]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Is Trump the first President to be President , leave office and then run again four years later ?

'Leave office' aka lost to Biden!

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Then in what way do you think the lefties partying on here are regarding convictions as irrelevant?

You have gotton mixed up .

I said that charges are irrelevant until there's been a conviction , I didnt say convictions are irrelevant .

  Charges are irrelevant until a Court have made a conviction

Do you realize that a charge doesn't make a person guilty ?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You have gotton mixed up .

I said that charges are irrelevant until there's been a conviction , I didnt say convictions are irrelevant .

  Charges are irrelevant until a Court have made a conviction

Do you realize that a charge doesn't make a person guilty ?

We can agree that charges don't make a person guilty. We can't agree that they aren't relevant, especially in a public popularity contest aka election. Next you'll be complaining that we want to see the court case on TV.

Edited August 25, 2023 by ozimoron

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

We can agree that charges don't make a person guilty. We can't agree that they aren't relevant, especially in a public popularity contest aka election. Next you'll be complaining that we want to see the court case on TV.

My opinion on that are that all these charges and allegations (without any conviction) will benefit Trump as some people will view this as an attack on Americas democracy and they will support Trump to keep USA a democracy and to stop Political leaders using the law to suppress the opposition 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Wow... a brand new poster so loudly on the Trump train... Obviously, your timing is PERFECT...

 

Just when he's facing multiple criminal cases for multiple different kinds of alleged criminal activity.

 

He's got a presidential candidate resume now like no other in U.S. history.

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

My opinion on that are that all these charges and allegations (without any conviction) will benefit Trump as some people will view this as an attack on Americas democracy and they will support Trump to keep USA a democracy and to stop Political leaders using the law to suppress the opposition 

I don't believe it will sway many independent swing voters at all. Trump got thrashed in 2020 and somehow these 4 indictments and 91 charges and counting are going to stimulate outrage over political persecution lives only in the minds of the base.  There just aren't enough conspiracy theorists and racist nationalists to get him elected. Not to mention that the right wing aren't on most women's christmas card list right now.

[Woof999]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Do you think Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been in power?

Do you honestly believe that Putin cares one iota about Trump, other than the fact that Trump threatened to disband NATO? Do you think Putin admires Trump or sees him as a world leader that projects power? I bet Putin couldn't believe his luck when Trump won in 2016. I bet he'd love him back after 2024.

 

It is amazing that you think Trump's primary focus is on America. His primary focus is and has always been himself; over family, country, everything.

 

What qualities does Trump posses that you would love to see in your own offspring?

 

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

the US public are not fools

Hmmm...

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

My opinion on that are that all these charges and allegations (without any conviction) will benefit Trump as some people will view this as an attack on Americas democracy and they will support Trump to keep USA a democracy and to stop Political leaders using the law to suppress the opposition 

Previously the MAGA's rhetoric was, why's it taking so long, if you had anything they'd charge him. Well, now he's got 91 indictments and the rhetoric is, it means nothing..........lol Amusing how things change

[Danderman123]

34 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Charges mean absolutely nothing until there's been a conviction in Court .

   We seem to have reached a point where allegations are the new convictions .

   Being found guilty seems to have become irrelevant and what counts are the allegations/charges .

  

You remember "Lock her up"?

 

Anyway, what are you going to post if Trump is convicted? Maybe "convictions aren't important if Trump isn't sentenced to jail time".

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

Do you honestly believe that Putin cares one iota about Trump, other than the fact that Trump threatened to disband NATO?

That isn't a fact at all .

Trump could not  "disband" NATO , even if he wanted to .

You may be getting mixed up with Trump suggesting that the USA could leave NATO unless other Countries payed their dues .

   Trump couldn't disband NATO though, he didn't have the power or authority to do that .

[Woof999]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

That isn't a fact at all .

Trump could not  "disband" NATO , even if he wanted to .

You may be getting mixed up with Trump suggesting that the USA could leave NATO unless other Countries payed their dues .

   Trump couldn't disband NATO though, he didn't have the power or authority to do that .

You're technically correct, but the US leaving NATO (IMHO) would lead to pretty much the same thing.

 

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/could-nato-cope-without-united-states

 

https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2017/03/14/nato-without-america-a-grim-prognosis/

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

You're technically correct, but the US leaving NATO (IMHO) would lead to pretty much the same thing.

 

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/could-nato-cope-without-united-states

 

https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2017/03/14/nato-without-america-a-grim-prognosis/

 

If the USA did leave NATO , it would just mean that the remaining NATO Countries would need to adjust to that by supplying more soldier and monay to pay for it  , it wouldn't mean NATO disbanding 

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

If the USA did leave NATO , it would just mean that the remaining NATO Countries would need to adjust to that by supplying more soldier and monay to pay for it  , it wouldn't mean NATO disbanding 

You don't seem to understand that the US is the backbone of NATO.

 

Let me ask you a question to see how deep you are caught up in the Trump cult:

 

If the US left NATO, would Putin be happy?

 

Please try not to obfuscate.

[Berkshire]

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

My opinion on that are that all these charges and allegations (without any conviction) will benefit Trump as some people will view this as an attack on Americas democracy and they will support Trump to keep USA a democracy and to stop Political leaders using the law to suppress the opposition 

The only people who will "view this as an attack on Americas democracy" are people who already support Trump.  The majority of Americans will see this as Trump finally paying for his crimes.

[Danderman123]

Jeffrey Clark has appeared at the Fulton County jail, apparently with his pants on.

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

The only people who will "view this as an attack on Americas democracy" are people who already support Trump.  The majority of Americans will see this as Trump finally paying for his crimes.

Alleged crimes, you need to wait for a Court appearance and a guilty verdict before you can make that statement 

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You don't seem to understand that the US is the backbone of NATO.

 

Let me ask you a question to see how deep you are caught up in the Trump cult:

 

If the US left NATO, would Putin be happy?

 

Please try not to obfuscate.

I do understand that the USA is the backbone on NATO . 

I said that if the USA left NATO then the other 27 odd Countries would need to take measures to compensate the USAs departure .

  Please ask Putin about his opinion, as I cannot speak on his behalf .

  I am merely pointing out that the USA doesn't have the ability to disband NATO , not sure how that equates to being "caught up in the Trump cult"

[Danderman123]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I do understand that the USA is the backbone on NATO . 

I said that if the USA left NATO then the other 27 odd Countries would need to take measures to compensate the USAs departure .

  Please ask Putin about his opinion, as I cannot speak on his behalf .

  I am merely pointing out that the USA doesn't have the ability to disband NATO , not sure how that equates to being "caught up in the Trump cult"

Obfuscation, as expected.

 

Are all you Trump cultists unable to answer simple questions?

 

Anyone normal would say that Putin would be thrilled if the US left NATO. But, your support for Trump constrains what you can post, for fear it might make your Dear Leader look bad.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Is Trump the first President to be President , leave office and then run again four years later ?

No. 

[Elkski]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

 

This is the official mugshot of Donald Trump released by the Fulton County Sheriff's Office

 

Source: BBC

Gonna get me a tshirt.  With Guilty AF on it and his mug shot.  Seems I recall  Trump posted someones picture with a target on it ???? once.  Maybe i add that. 

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Pure tyranny. I wonder whether anyone cheering the weaponization of the justice sytem is basing their sheer loathing of the man - and justification for this unprecedented coordinated attack on an ex Pres - on facts, rather than a well crafted narrative that paints him as an immoral and corrupt psychopath? Somehow I doubt it. 

Shouldn't tyranny include: sacking the Capitol, pressurising the Vice President to prevent the adoption of the results, erecting a gallows outside the Capitol to underline that pressure on the Vice President, threatening poll workers, sending death threats to those poll workers, arranging for " pastors"and "community activists" to visit and pressurise those poll workers ( so confident of their " untouchability" that they made the threats in a police station - unfortunately for them the policeman kept his body cam on),  arranging for "armed militiamen" to "protect" the advance polling drop off boxes in areas where the electorate were predominantly black; that's all off the top of my head, just for starters. The RICO laws seem a most appropriate basis for charges in Georgia. Trump and his merry men operated just like an organised crime cartel during and after the election. They predicted trouble if they didn't get their way - and win - and have continued to forment trouble, break the law, lie about breaking the law and bluster about and threaten ( often with the most open racist and vile sexual suggestions) anyone, investigating that lawbreaking, and generally deploy bully tactics since. 

 

The man is a skidmark on the underpants of American politics.

Edited August 25, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[Danderman123]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I am merely pointing out that the USA doesn't have the ability to disband NATO , not sure how that equates to being "caught up in the Trump cult"

Let me define "caught up in the Trump cult" for you: 

 

Your Dear Leader has been charged 91 times in 4 jurisdictions. But you believe that he has done nothing wrong.

 

You will obfuscate by talking about these being charges, not convictions, but I am talking about what you believe. Even if Trump goes down 91-0, you will still believe he's innocent. Because of the Cult thing.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Gonna get me a tshirt.  With Guilty AF on it and his mug shot.  Seems I recall  Trump posted someones picture with a target on it ???? once.  Maybe i add that. 

He was going for looking strong.

What we got was him looking EVIL.

If the shoe fits!