4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Amazing how many people here need remedial classes in science and critical thinking.

Don't think that will help. What they really need is a serious detox session from the substances they're taking.

"It is true that there can be at least some questions raised about certain events and the narrative that is being created. This is also quite relevant. Regarding Epstein."

 

 

34 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Nasa admits that some 200,000 tapes were degaussed (magnetically erased) and to be re-used to save money.

 

I can't buy that explanation. Something as historic as Man on the Moon and the evidence is intentionally destroyed? To save a buck, c'mon.

Thats the excuse presented...  it was also mentioned that re-use of tapes was SOP at the time.

Its not as if they erased all tapes - I think its just the ones where they considered the footage unexceptional or doubled up etc.

 

The footage on tapes recorded over is not lost, as that footage was also recorded else where. As such, there is no 'missing data' (contrary to some implications / arguements).

 

200,000 tapes - what is the cost of a tape ? (a complete guess >>  equivalent to $10 each in 1970???)...   Thats a saving of 2 Million $$  which is equivalent to 44 Million in real terms today.

 

Thus: Why over wright the tape ??? SOP there was no reason not to, footage was stored elsewhere and there was significant saving in reusing the tapes.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Amazing how many people here need remedial classes in science and critical thinking.

The world average for tertiary science education is 0.5% of the population. The South Koreans lead the world at 1.5%.

It's probably even less for critical thinking, judging from what I see posted daily on ASEAN. Begging the question, straw man arguments, ad hominem attacks are the order of the day.

I continue to marvel at YouTube posters who acquire millions of followers by simply telling them what they want to hear.

 

30 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats the excuse presented...  it was also mentioned that re-use of tapes was SOP at the time.

Its not as if they erased all tapes - I think its just the ones where they considered the footage unexceptional or doubled up etc.

 

The footage on tapes recorded over is not lost, as that footage was also recorded else where. As such, there is no 'missing data' (contrary to some implications / arguements).

 

200,000 tapes - what is the cost of a tape ? (a complete guess >>  equivalent to $10 each in 1970???)...   Thats a saving of 2 Million $$  which is equivalent to 44 Million in real terms today.

 

Thus: Why over wright the tape ??? SOP there was no reason not to, footage was stored elsewhere and there was significant saving in reusing the tapes.

 

 

 

I can't wrap my head around the fact that tapes documenting such an occasion were purposely destroyed. I've lived 50+ yrs not caring, guess I can last some more not really caring. 

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

I can't wrap my head around the fact that tapes documenting such an occasion were purposely destroyed. I've lived 50+ yrs not caring, guess I can last some more not really caring. 

Why when they were simultaneously taped elsewhere?

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I can't wrap my head around the fact that tapes documenting such an occasion were purposely destroyed. I've lived 50+ yrs not caring, guess I can last some more not really caring. 

The footage was not lost - it had been transferred to other forms of media or also recorded by other media.

Thats it, nothing to wrap your head around really, it was simply SOP to reuse the tapes (according to reports).

 

This is only a conspiracy for those who are concentrating on '200,000 tapes erased' as if to hide some evidence of a conspiracy...   

 

The implication by conspiracists ignores the fact that no footage was lost - which is typical of conspiracist arguments; they hold on to one shred of information which appears to lend some feasible leverage to their argument - but that shred of evidence can easily be explained and the 'conspiracy' readily debunked.

 

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

I can't wrap my head around the fact that tapes documenting such an occasion were purposely destroyed. I've lived 50+ yrs not caring, guess I can last some more not really caring. 

Been explained already that no important stuff lost. What about all the early tv shows from the same era taped over from Top of the Pops to Doctor Who to the Australian music show Countdown. They were considered expensive at the time and maybe different priorities. 

7 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Been explained already that no important stuff lost. What about all the early tv shows from the same era taped over from Top of the Pops to Doctor Who to the Australian music show Countdown. They were considered expensive at the time and maybe different priorities. 

Those were the BBC tapes in the U.K.

They are talking about NASA tapes in the USA .

Different videos

 

 

 

 

Life certainly is easier when you simply take everything from the Gov as the truth, or in this case NASA. Some of the first Moon Walk video looks a little hokie. But, if the powers that be says it's real, well it must be. Because if you dare question anything, you're a conspiracist. Sort of reminds me of The Truman Show.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Life certainly is easier when you simply take everything from the Gov as the truth, or in this case NASA. Some of the first Moon Walk video looks a little hokie. But, if the powers that be says it's real, well it must be. Because if you dare question anything, you're a conspiracist. Sort of reminds me of The Truman Show.

 

 

 

See what you did? You took the fact that people don’t question specific major world events for which the evidence of them having happened is overwhelming and extrapolate that to suggesting the same people are always trusting the government in all situations.  Come on man.

8 hours ago, owl sees all said:

What is the question again.

 

There is also the question of space dust.Also the temperature range on the moon's surface Going from -150f to +120 depending whether one was in the sun or not. Do those special suits protect from either?

 

The mystery of 700+ boxes of evidence. What happen to them?

 

If it could be done in 1969, I'm sure those cleaver Indians or Chinese might have thought; 'Why not give it a go. After all the Americans did it 50+ years ago."

Yes, the suits protected them.

 

Next question?

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I can't wrap my head around the fact that tapes documenting such an occasion were purposely destroyed. I've lived 50+ yrs not caring, guess I can last some more not really caring. 

Video tapes degrade over time, so they were transferred to digital media.

 

This is true not just for Apollo, but everything from the 1960s that was on tape.

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats the excuse presented...  it was also mentioned that re-use of tapes was SOP at the time.

Its not as if they erased all tapes - I think its just the ones where they considered the footage unexceptional or doubled up etc.

 

The footage on tapes recorded over is not lost, as that footage was also recorded else where. As such, there is no 'missing data' (contrary to some implications / arguements).

 

200,000 tapes - what is the cost of a tape ? (a complete guess >>  equivalent to $10 each in 1970???)...   Thats a saving of 2 Million $$  which is equivalent to 44 Million in real terms today.

 

Thus: Why over wright the tape ??? SOP there was no reason not to, footage was stored elsewhere and there was significant saving in reusing the tapes.

 

 

 

Much of the stuff on tape was transferred to digital media early on.

 

That caused a big problem for some projects, as early digital media cannot be read by modern machines. So, someone had to find an old digital reader to convert to more modern media.

 

The point here is that the conspiracy nuts talking about "missing" data simply have no clue.

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Nasa admits that some 200,000 tapes were degaussed (magnetically erased) and to be re-used to save money.

 

I can't buy that explanation. Something as historic as Man on the Moon and the evidence is intentionally destroyed? To save a buck, c'mon.

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On 9/3/2023 at 7:18 AM, Bkk Brian said:

This study reviewed 170 studies involving over 158,000 participants associated with conspiratorial thinking, mainly from the United States, the United Kingdom and Poland. 

 

Here's just a few reasons the study mentions but lots more context in the article.

 

The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others.

The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/06/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories

Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.

 

Yep, that's me. Spot on, as always.

On 9/3/2023 at 3:38 PM, Danderman123 said:

 

The point here is that the conspiracy nuts talking about "missing" data simply have no clue.

Although people should be allowed to ask things and question thing and even be wrong about things with being labelled as a "nut" 

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Although people should be allowed to ask things and question thing and even be wrong about things with being labelled as a "nut" 

That depends…. In some cases they’re just conspiracy nuts and very deserving of the moniker.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

That depends…. In some cases they’re just conspiracy nuts and very deserving of the moniker.

But now you get certain groups of people who label anyone who disagrees with them as being  a "conspiracy theory nut"

   "I question what you say "

"You are a far right neo nazi conspiracy theorist nut job with mental problems who is insecure , paranoid , emotionally  disturbed  and you re part of a mind bending cult"

   "Oh OK, I just thought that it was a bit colder this year than last year"

   

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

But now you get certain groups of people who label anyone who disagrees with them as being  a "conspiracy theory nut"

   "I question what you say "

"You are a far right neo nazi conspiracy theorist nut job with mental problems who is insecure , paranoid , emotionally  disturbed  and you re part of a mind bending cult"

   "Oh OK, I just thought that it was a bit colder this year than last year"

   

If someone ignores data, in favor of some weird conspiracy theory, yeah, they are a nut.

 

For examole, concerning the Apollo landings, I have posted data that conclusively proves the landings were real. The nuts simply ignore the data.

 

The problem is the cognitive dissonance caused by data that doesn't fit in their paradigm. So, they simply ignore it. A sure sign of a nutter.

 

 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

If someone ignores data, in favor of some weird conspiracy theory, yeah, they are a nut.

 

For examole, concerning the Apollo landings, I have posted data that conclusively proves the landings were real. The nuts simply ignore the data.

 

The problem is the cognitive dissonance caused by data that doesn't fit in their paradigm. So, they simply ignore it. A sure sign of a nutter.

 

 

I think the sure sign of a nutter, is one that believes the MSM and government on everything they say.

 

Or could they better be described as a mindless zombie?

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

If someone ignores data, in favor of some weird conspiracy theory, yeah, they are a nut.

 

For examole, concerning the Apollo landings, I have posted data that conclusively proves the landings were real. The nuts simply ignore the data.

 

The problem is the cognitive dissonance caused by data that doesn't fit in their paradigm. So, they simply ignore it. A sure sign of a nutter.

 

 

What about the C.I.A being involved in the World drug trade ?

A conspiracy theorist nutter? (Who believes that )

 

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

But now you get certain groups of people who label anyone who disagrees with them as being  a "conspiracy theory nut"

   "I question what you say "

"You are a far right neo nazi conspiracy theorist nut job with mental problems who is insecure , paranoid , emotionally  disturbed  and you re part of a mind bending cult"

   "Oh OK, I just thought that it was a bit colder this year than last year"

   

Absolutely agree...   when standing on the centre-line we can often get accused by those with the loudest voices on the fringes of spectrum of having extreme views - almost as if it is only the extremes which exist and if our views do not represent one extreme then they do the other.

 

I've of been accused of being a Thai-hater because of my observation are not in alignment with someone else view that 'we're guests in this country' and shouldn't have formed any opinions other than wholly positive. 

 

I've also been accused of wearing 'rose tinted glasses' when taking the balanced view and siding with the Thai perspective.

 

 

With conspiracies its similar - in reality there is whole range of views and the view point for most of us falls around the balanced centreline. 

 

With the moon landings most believe they occurred, perhaps some footage was fabricated - thats a possibility, but we went to the moon.

This view seems extremely bias for someone who does not believe humans went to the moon. 

This view also seems bias for for someone who believes 100% that there was no fabrication etc to the extent that the accusation may be levied of being a 'moon-denier' etc.

 

 

Regarding conspiracies theories.... we can't band all together and call all supporters of conspiracy theories 'conspiracy nutters'.... But there are some 'silly debates' where the people most certainly are and that depends on the data available vs trustworthiness of the data source. 

 - People who disbelieve we went to the moon = 'conspiracy nutters'

 - People who believe the earth is flat = 'conspiracy nutters'

 - People who beleive there was something more to JFK shooting = Not nutters.

 - People who beleive the CIA are involved in the 'world drugs trade = Not nutters.

 

 

34 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What about the C.I.A being involved in the World drug trade ?

A conspiracy theorist nutter? (Who believes that )

Read a book a few years ago by Shaun Attwood. Very interesting.  About the Clinton, Bush eras, and CIA. From the boys on the track to Jeffrey Epstein.

 

A war on drugs book.

52 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I think the sure sign of a nutter, is one that believes the MSM and government on everything they say.

 

Or could they better be described as a mindless zombie?

I follow the evidence.

 

You follow your internet friends. What they send you is what you believe.

 

 

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Absolutely agree...   when standing on the centre-line we can often get accused by those with the loudest voices on the fringes of spectrum of having extreme views - almost as if it is only the extremes which exist and if our views do not represent one extreme then they do the other.

 

I've of been accused of being a Thai-hater because of my observation are not in alignment with someone else view that 'we're guests in this country' and shouldn't have formed any opinions other than wholly positive. 

 

I've also been accused of wearing 'rose tinted glasses' when taking the balanced view and siding with the Thai perspective.

 

 

With conspiracies its similar - in reality there is whole range of views and the view point for most of us falls around the balanced centreline. 

 

With the moon landings most believe they occurred, perhaps some footage was fabricated - thats a possibility, but we went to the moon.

This view seems extremely bias for someone who does not believe humans went to the moon. 

This view also seems bias for for someone who believes 100% that there was no fabrication etc to the extent that the accusation may be levied of being a 'moon-denier' etc.

 

 

Regarding conspiracies theories.... we can't band all together and call all supporters of conspiracy theories 'conspiracy nutters'.... But there are some 'silly debates' where the people most certainly are and that depends on the data available vs trustworthiness of the data source. 

 - People who disbelieve we went to the moon = 'conspiracy nutters'

 - People who believe the earth is flat = 'conspiracy nutters'

 - People who beleive there was something more to JFK shooting = Not nutters.

 - People who beleive the CIA are involved in the 'world drugs trade = Not nutters.

 

 

If I show photos taken by Indian, Japanese or Chinese satellies of Apollo stuff still on the Moon, the conspiracy nuts ignore it.

 

Or, they say the hardware went to the Moon, but no people. Despite photos of soil churned up by astronauts.

 

But then they say the Apollo blueprints don't exist, right after they admit that the Apollo stuff is on the Moon.

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 - People who disbelieve we went to the moon = 'conspiracy nutters'

 - People who believe the earth is flat = 'conspiracy nutters'

 - People who beleive there was something more to JFK shooting = Not nutters.

 - People who beleive the CIA are involved in the 'world drugs trade = Not nutters.

 

 

I am convinced that Oswald was innocent of the JFK shooting, but involved. I have hard evidence, taken from the Warren Report. 

 

I'll save it for November, though.

 

 

42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What about the C.I.A being involved in the World drug trade ?

A conspiracy theorist nutter? (Who believes that )

 

Maybe not the "World Drug Trade", but it's likely that some CIA types profited off drugs, probably up to 30 years ago.

On 8/29/2023 at 8:38 PM, owl sees all said:

Walking on the moon.

 

Sometime during 1961, POTUS Kennedy said that the Americans could have a man on the moon this decade. The  Apollo programme was soon underway. Kicked off with the tragic Apollo 1, and ended with Apollo 17. The bookies were offering 10.000 to 1. Some of me mates had a few bob on. Unfortunately, I didn't. I reasoned; might be a long wait to collect, but could have a punt? I was on me way to the betting shop, but I went to the pub instead. In truth, I never thought that anyone, in my lifetime, would walk on the moon. How wrong was I?

 

In 1969, on July 16th, Apollo 11 left with Buzz and Neil on board. A bit of jiggery-pokery after leaving Earths gravity, and the made there way to the moon; about 230,000 away. Landed on the moon at 8:17pm on 20 July 1969. It was fantastic. The world was watching. And the astronauts didn't disappoint. ''One small step,,,etc'' Soviets (then USSR) eat yer funny hats. Arrived back 8 days, 3 hours, 19 minutes after blast off.

 

Russia had been well in front in the space stakes. They had a number of firsts. But!! The Americans did the big one. First men to walk on the surface of the moon. Showed the world that the US had leap-frogged the Soviets with their technology.Also took minds off the Vietnam war for a while. But not for that long. The My Lai massacre reared its ugly head. A new mission, 5 months after the first, had another faultless trip.

 

And so the programme steamed ahead. Not always without hiccup. Apollo 13 turned back, and if it hadn't been for some handy duck-tape, and an article of clothing, the mission might have failed.

 

The last Apollo mission was in 1972. Twelve guys all told had walked on the moon's surface. Let's book our future flights I told the Mrs. But nothing since then.

 

Doubters were everywhere. Those that didn't believe that man even made it outside the Earth's pull, were all over the evidence. which was very scant to say the least. Mysteriously the 700 cartons of tapes and files on the complete Apollo programme went missing. Adding fuel to the doubter's doubts. All the original blueprints lost also. In fact everything! That was a real shame, 'cause although POTUS Johnson put them under lock and key, they are due to be released in 2026. Do hope they find them.

 

One of the biggest mysteries of all.

I have posted links to the blueprints.

 

I have posted photos of Apollo hardware on the Moon.

 

Millions of people saw the Saturn V take off, and astronomers imaged the upper stage going to the Moon.

 

A Lunar Module upper stage is still being tracked in heliocentric orbit.

 

Let you imply none of this is real because you personally have not seen the blueprints.

 

Please explain why your conspiracy theory cannot address these facts.

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Maybe not the "World Drug Trade", but it's likely that some CIA types profited off drugs, probably up to 30 years ago.

There's the theory that the USA went into Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power because the Taliban  outlawed the growing of poppies/heroin and that the poppies /heroin drug trade flourished when the USA went into Afghanistan .

   Fentanyl then  took over as the street drug and replaced heroin and because heroin was no longer a profitable drug, the USA departed from Afghanistan ?

   Conspiracy theory or fact ?