Do you really think drugs should be legalised ?

[georgegeorgia]

I was very shocked to see marijuana legalised recently in Thailand.

The country had the most harshest drug laws at one stage .

 

Now I see a State in Australia going one step further on October 28 and not only legalising weed but other drugs ,meth etc for personal use too which the Police commissioner of that Australian State has spoken out it will lead to more crime in his State by blow ins coming in to use and sell as well as more traffic accidents 

 

He stated he recently done a study tour of the USA to visit a State there that had legalised drugs and even the police commissioner there told him it's now out of control 

 

Whilst Thailand only legalised weed for personal use has the traffic accidents increased ,what's your feeling in legalising drugs 

Edited August 29, 2023 by georgegeorgia

[jvs]

Yes.legalize all drugs.

Drugs should be sold in government shops and this will take the criminal

aspect out of it.

Instead of kind of quoting a police officer in the US why not look at

Portugal?

Read up on that and get back to me.

Alcohol is still the most abused drug and i can't believe you were shocked about the Thai shift to normalcy .

[bignok]

No products should be illegal.

[scottiejohn]

6 minutes ago, jvs said:

Instead of kind of quoting a police officer in the US why not look at

Portugal?

Read up on that and get back to me.

Did you mean this?

Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

 

Portugal's drug decriminalization faces opposition as addiction multiplies - The Washington Post

[Ben Zioner]

Definitely not. Build work camps in the wilderness for dealers. And keep hammering tobacco and alcohol.

[OneMoreFarang]

a) I never used illegal drugs in my life

b) I don't think I will ever use them

c) I think they should be legalized, with conditions

 

I would hope that people don't use drugs. But fact is, many do use them.

And some people are addicted to drugs. They want their fix and they don't think about any consequences.

Obviously, it would be good nobody uses drugs anymore, and there should be help available for people who want to stop.

 

Apart from the drug users there are a couple of big problems with the illegal drug situation. Drugs are often sold "dirty". There can be any substances in any amounts in there and the buyer doesn't know it. That results is accidental overdoses, bad side effects, etc.

And because drugs are illegal, they are expensive. And for that reason, they are a big business opportunity for organized crime and for corrupt authorities. The bad guys make a lot of money with drugs. And there is a lot of violence involved.

Drug users are often criminals because they want their fix. They steal, they rob shops and people, etc. All bad.

 

I remember reading an interview with a just retired police boos (I think somewhere in England). The police was at that time very successful. They confiscated a huge amount of drugs. Hurrah, we did it!

The journalist asked the retired police officer what the consequences will be. He answered like this: Because there are fewer drugs available the drugs will be more expensive. And because users will need more money for their drugs, they will commit more crimes to get the money.

So much about unintended consequences.

 

I think drugs should be available i.e. in pharmacies or now like cigarettes which can't be promoted.

And like mentioned above, there should be incentives for drug users to stop.

[jvs]

4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Did you mean this?

Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

 

Portugal's drug decriminalization faces opposition as addiction multiplies - The Washington Post

Of course there is opposition!There should be and now they found out they will need more regulation.

I find this normal.

Still a whole lot better then fighting a losing war against drugs.

People have been using drugs since the beginning of mankind and they will continue to do so.

Like a lot of things in the world we now have to chose between the lesser evil instead of a better choice.

Maybe the government should create a saver alternative to these

dangerous drugs and sell them so the criminals need to find something else to do?

 

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Definitely not. Build work camps in the wilderness for dealers. And keep hammering tobacco and alcohol.

Don't forget the work camps for corrupt officials who allow those dealers to operate.

[jvs]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I never used illegal drugs in my life

Do you consume alcohol?

 

[OneMoreFarang]

8 minutes ago, jvs said:

Do you consume alcohol?

Yes, from time to time.

They are legal - at least in the countries where I consume them.

I clearly wrote about illegal drugs. 

 

Making Alcohol illegal is no solution, see America's prohibition.

[jvs]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, from time to time.

They are legal - at least in the countries where I consume them.

I clearly wrote about illegal drugs. 

 

Making Alcohol illegal is no solution, see America's prohibition.

So yes, illegality depends on where you are.

That does not mean it is less damaging or saver at all.

Making any drugs illegal is no solution,see the war on drugs.

Let people decide for themselves what they want to use or abuse as long as it does not affect other peoples lives,then again anything any one does does affect other peoples lives.

[bob smith]

Do you really think drugs should be legalised ?

 

Yes.

Edited August 29, 2023 by blackcab
Oversized font corrected

[transam]

12 minutes ago, bob smith said:

Do you really think drugs should be legalised ?

 

Yes.

In your case, I am not surprised.............????

[spidermike007]

Yes. Any and all drugs should be legalized. The war on drugs has been going on for decades now. More than 1.5 million people were arrested in 2019 for drug offenses, more than any other crime category, accounting for 1 in 10 arrests nationwide.

 

Not sure how much research has been done here, but it likely the number are just as shameful. Legalize drugs. Now. All drugs.

 

Prior research has found that no relationship exists between state drug imprisonment rates and drug use or drug overdose deaths and that, from 2009 to 2019, past-year illicit drug use among Americans 12 or older increased from 15% to nearly 21% and the overdose death rate more than tripled.

 

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2022/02/drug-arrests-stayed-high-even-as-imprisonment-fell-from-2009-to-2019

 

 

[pomchop]

Alcohol, Nicotine, Valiums, Caffeine, Viagra,  and ten zillion prescriptions drugs to fix any and all ailments.

 

But wow legalize weed?  It could be the end of civilization as we know it.

[transam]

27 minutes ago, jvs said:

Do you consume alcohol?

 

Yes, my country has for many centuries, even a famous religious bloke did, he was clever, turned water into wine.  

 

[KannikaP]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, my country has for many centuries, even a famous religious bloke did, he was clever, turned water into wine.  

 

Hey, I regularly turn that wine back into a type of water. 555

[mikebike]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, my country has for many centuries, even a famous religious bloke did, he was clever, turned water into wine.  

 

And cannabis and psilocybin have been used for millennia, what's your point?

[thaibeachlovers]

As probably well known I believe there are too many people on the planet. Legalise all drugs and give them out for free and the population will surely decrease.

Any that are not of the mind set that it's better to be high than normal will live and be the better for their departure, IMO.

Edited August 29, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[Lacessit]

It is illogical to criminalize other drugs, when alcohol is legal and the cause of considerable violence.

 

Most of the evidence supports legalizing illicit drugs, crime rates go down, legal drugs are less expensive and far less likely to be adulterated.

 

The only caveat I have is anyone who commits a crime under the influence of drugs get the same standing in law, and the same sentencing, as someone who is stone cold sober.

 

 

[bobbin]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As probably well known I believe there are too many people on the planet. Legalise all drugs and give them out for free and the population will surely decrease.

Any that are not of the mind set that it's better to be high than normal will live and be the better for their departure, IMO.

Sneaky... In summary, you are of the opinion that anyone who uses "illegal" drugs will die, leaving more room on the planet for "good" people..

 

When is your next sermon? Such a simple-minded solution..

 

Firstly, the planet is already de-populating. This will bring wide-ranging problems by itself..

[ezzra]

Once governments will up to task to keep up with the increased cases of the drugs over use, i.e police, hospitals, courts and prisons for those who abuse and commit offences under the influence, than sure, but i don't see it happening anytime soon. 

Edited August 29, 2023 by ezzra

[retarius]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

Did you mean this?

Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

 

Portugal's drug decriminalization faces opposition as addiction multiplies - The Washington Post

Sorry, anything you read in the Washington Post, like all things that come out of the US ir a biased, slanted, or an outright lie.

[transam]

32 minutes ago, mikebike said:

And cannabis and psilocybin have been used for millennia, what's your point?

My point, whatever you want it to be, but to be sure, I am not a substance jockey, never needed it.......................????...............   ????

[retarius]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Of course there is opposition!There should be and now they found out they will need more regulation.

I find this normal.

Still a whole lot better then fighting a losing war against drugs.

People have been using drugs since the beginning of mankind and they will continue to do so.

Like a lot of things in the world we now have to chose between the lesser evil instead of a better choice.

Maybe the government should create a saver alternative to these

dangerous drugs and sell them so the criminals need to find something else to do?

 

Exactly, how long has the war on drugs been losing....maybe 5 decades. As Einstein supposedly said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It is high to to try a different strategy. It is not irrevocable if it doesn't work. But instead of locking millions of people up world wide and having criminals make massive fortunes, why not try legalisation.

[Adumbration]

I was always against legalisation of drugs.  

 

But now I am a staunch advocate.

 

Drugs are a helpful tool to offset the monotony of the endless fake click bait content that gets posted on this forum nowadays.

[transam]

Just now, retarius said:

Exactly, how long has the war on drugs been losing....maybe 5 decades. As Einstein supposedly said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It is high to to try a different strategy. It is not irrevocable if it doesn't work. But instead of locking millions of people up world wide and having criminals make massive fortunes, why not try legalisation.

Thieving, rape, murder has been going on since time began, do you want that legalised because it cannot be fixed..................

[transam]

1 minute ago, Adumbration said:

I was always against legalisation of drugs.  

 

But now I am a staunch advocate.

 

Drugs are a helpful tool to offset the monotony of the endless fake click bait content that gets posted on this forum nowadays.

A junky member, hmmmm, perhaps find another hobby away from a PC screen.......................????

[jvs]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Thieving, rape, murder has been going on since time began, do you want that legalised because it cannot be fixed..................

You are high on what now?

Apples and oranges there i think.

[Berkshire]

Yes, legalize drugs for adults....with the caveat that committing crimes while under the influence is absolutely no excuse.  Drunk driving comes to mind.  Adults should be allowed the freedom to make choices for themselves and also be held to account.