8 minutes ago, Morch said:

It doesn't say where in the cemetery or how far. Anyway, the man talking is a Hamas operative, not Islamic Jihad. It is doubtful that he was actually allowed anywhere near the launcher by IJ.

 

The conversation makes it clear that Hamas thinks it an IJ rocket. You claimed it was Hamas, based on nothing.

The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation.

 

The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/

 

Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded".

 

 

21 minutes ago, Morch said:

It doesn't say where in the cemetery or how far. Anyway, the man talking is a Hamas operative, not Islamic Jihad. It is doubtful that he was actually allowed anywhere near the launcher by IJ.

 

The conversation makes it clear that Hamas thinks it an IJ rocket. You claimed it was Hamas, based on nothing.

The call recording mentions 2 persons having a conversations:

 

1. Hamas operative #1

2. Hamas operative #2

 

Why am I lying in this case?

58 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I think that it you who is almost constantly abusive and aggressive answering comments.

 

Obviously, the conflicts got its roots, and obviously there are different narratives related to that. Fully embracing any of them without question is mug's game, and a choice. Your post above is highlights the point. Fully subscribing to one narrative pretty much negates the other, living little room for debate.

 

While you may feel that rehashing the whole history of the conflict, it's roots, and all the myriad details involved is critical to discussing the current situation, others (at least, myself) can argue otherwise. This is a news discussion, not a history class. It's fair enough to reference history on some level, but the extent some go about it tends to derail the actual topic. This happens each and every time one of these topics comes up.

 

Regardless of the above, saying that these issues were ignored is patently untrue. Various points regarding the history of the conflict were referenced on this topic and parallel ones, some in minute detail, even.

I will avoid any attempt to debate the essence of your post  other than to query your assertion that I have adopted aggressive or abusive language. Is that your reaction to my failure to subscribe like a loyal dog to your opinion ?

I find it strange that so far you have cumulatively have accused me of various extreme emotional response states . Are you unaccustomed to have challenge to your opinion?

7 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation.

 

The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/

 

Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded".

 

 

You are grabbing at straws. Does that look like a crater created by a bomb that supposedly killed 500 people? Nonsense. More in line with a Palestinian rocket falling in the Gaza Strip, something that happens on quite often.

 

It doesn't matter what you based your assertions on, you do not know where the launcher was, you do not know that the information on the conversation was 100% accurate, and so on.

 

You are the one who claimed it was a Hamas rocket, without providing support and contrary to available information.

2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

I will avoid any attempt to debate the essence of your post  other than to query your assertion that I have adopted aggressive or abusive language. Is that your reaction to my failure to subscribe like a loyal dog to your opinion ?

I find it strange that so far you have cumulatively have accused me of various extreme emotional response states . Are you unaccustomed to have challenge to your opinion?

Look up your previous posts for reference.

 

You can disagree all you like, you can have your opinions - that's not much of an issue, and no one said otherwise.

 

Oh, after years of having these 'discussions' on here, I'm pretty much used to anything. Somehow, I still expect things to improve. Silly me.

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

A little bit blinkered here Barra. 

 

I suggest you read this from Amnesty International.

 

Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes.  

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Nice Deflection I'm not interested in what Amnesty says or Apartheid. I'm interested in the present Situation between Israel and Hamas. If you don't wish to join in this thread move on instead of deflection or making up stories.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Dream on

Al Ahli Ma'Madani hospital is the only Christian hospital in Gaza. Many homeless people from Gaza North were sheltering in the neighborhood of the hospital.

 

◾️Israeli Channel 12 admits it was an Israeli airstrike on the Al-Alhi hospital!

◾️Ohad Hemo, Israeli TV's Palestinian Affairs reporter, admits Israel is responsible for last night's bombing of the Baptist Hospital in Gaza resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties.

 

 

Goodnight all, nursey has just come to give me my medication, play nice now and see you all tomorrow. It's been a hoot.

Hope nobody dies who doesn't deserve to die or those whose time on this earth has run it's course.

Love to all human beings everywhere.

4 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Al Ahli Ma'Madani hospital is the only Christian hospital in Gaza. Many homeless people from Gaza North were sheltering in the neighborhood of the hospital.

 

◾️Israeli Channel 12 admits it was an Israeli airstrike on the Al-Alhi hospital!

◾️Ohad Hemo, Israeli TV's Palestinian Affairs reporter, admits Israel is responsible for last night's bombing of the Baptist Hospital in Gaza resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties.

 

 

Your wasting my time, my "dream on" comment was in reference to your claim that the rocket launcher was 25 meters way from the impact sight. Now you deflect into another report taken just minutes after the impact when their was no information or evidence on what caused it. You have nothing

 

32 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation.

 

The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/

 

Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded".

 

 

A two foot diameter crater (or less)? Are you kidding?  

 

That's the diameter of the rocket motor, which falling from a high altitude would punch a small hole in a dirt/cobble surface. The remaining rocket fuel then ignited and burned the cars.

 

Talk about seeing only what one wants to see. 

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Al Ahli Ma'Madani hospital is the only Christian hospital in Gaza. Many homeless people from Gaza North were sheltering in the neighborhood of the hospital.

 

◾️Israeli Channel 12 admits it was an Israeli airstrike on the Al-Alhi hospital!

◾️Ohad Hemo, Israeli TV's Palestinian Affairs reporter, admits Israel is responsible for last night's bombing of the Baptist Hospital in Gaza resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties.

 

 

That was a report broadcast just a few minutes after the hospital got bombed  , and the report also says that "it appears to be an IDF bombing" , which it did at the time .

   It has subsequently been reported that it was a misfiring Hamas bomb that caused the destruction .

   You seem to twisting facts around and trying to fit the square shape into the round hole .

   The TV station didn't admit it was an Israeli bombing, they stated it appears to be an Israeli bombing , reported a few minutes after the bomb hit and before they had any info on who caused it 

7 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Again, nothing conclusive from this BBC report, and is also currently being refuted.

Skepticism should be applied to all reports from either side.

Sleepy Joe has now arrived in Israel, after not viewing decapitated babies yet claiming he had, perhaps, he could have the ability to diffuse the situation, as he will have his own feet on the ground.

If that's your thing Paul the Hamas Butchers wore body Cams when they were killed by IDF the footage was downloaded from their body Cams and displayed everything they did as shown on Israeli news channels. So if that's your thing I suggest you look on their news sites.

45 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation.

 

The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/

 

Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded".

 

 

Now listen to an expert rather than your misinformation:

 

 

6 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Until it is different, and it gets similar each and every day through continued escalation by all.

Have you had the need to have a gas mask next to you when Iraqi scud missiles were landing in the neighborhood when a conflict strikes up and extends beyond control? 

Deflection one minute your posting about Vietnam nonsense then now your posting about the Gulf War. wind up Merchant and outed.

51 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation.

If an Israeli rocket / missile / bomb, impacting at its intended target, can only disturb a few dozen paving bricks and burn a few cars, without doing much if any blast damage to those cars or the buildings immediately surrounding it then Israel really need to surrender immediately.

 

Unless of course that same weapon can instantly vapourise 500 humans (because where are they?) while doing such little property damage.

34 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Nice Deflection I'm not interested in what Amnesty says or Apartheid. I'm interested in the present Situation between Israel and Hamas. If you don't wish to join in this thread move on instead of deflection or making up stories.

What story have I made up?

The thing I posted is relevant to you saying 'we all know Hamas started this war'. 

What do you mean by me not wishing to join in the thread? Seems like you think this thread is about only criticizing Palestine and not Israel. 

Dude, I'm neutral in this conflict and want to hear both sides of the story. 

4 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

There are no non authoritative propaganda sources.

Al Jazeera is my preferred source of news for the Middle East, BBC for matters pertaining to the UK and Europe, CNN for the Americas, (Asean Now for Thailand, perhaps I should go to Thaiger)!  

you're still banned on there Paul.

7 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

If an Israeli rocket / missile / bomb, impacting at its intended target, can only disturb a few dozen paving bricks and burn a few cars, without doing much if any blast damage to those cars or the buildings immediately surrounding it then Israel really need to surrender immediately.

 

Unless of course that same weapon can instantly vapourise 500 humans (because where are they?) while doing such little property damage.

Some rockets are guided and will explode before impact. There's live footage available of the explosion and the huge fire ball. High tone whistling from high altitude is noticeable before the impact.

 

- Just an example here below in the video to explain the principle : I did'n't say it's that rocket that was used. You won't find a large deep crater, but high volume of shrapnel and high kinetic blast to kill as many people in that spot within a diameter of +/- 50 m.

 

The parking lot was used as open air shelter for Palestinian refugees coming from the north of Gaza.

 

 

3 hours ago, RanongCat said:

Yet again you  join the ranks of those that are incapable of differentiating  the  genuine aspects of debate without  resorting eventually to accusation of  partisan allegiance not compatible with  your own  despite very deliberate attempts to present  balanced opinion but always with  the taint of  bias .

My  allegiance is towards humanitarian outcome which unfortunately is often at odds with the predominant infliction of aggressive superior power. Too often that does not align with geopolitical agenda  regardless of  humanitarian concern.

I am surprised  you  did not/have not resorted to the defeatist retort  of " Whataboutism  etc" that so often gets inserted by some ignorants on many  topics .

So in granting that you are not an ignorant elucidate the forum community  on the gambit of atrocities "the other side " did  to each other prior to the infliction of the Israeli Nation State" .

Be sure to  include major community insults  rather than individual crimes in that  if  you can.

 

Even if Aid to the Palestinians is handed out at the border Hamas will take it from them for themselves that is there Humanitarian response to their own People. building materials we need that for our Tunnels.

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I've just had a cracking idea, lets kill all the Arabs and Israeli's in the Middle East and leave all the oil to the good ole US of A which is what this is all about which ever way you want to cut this cake.

 

Human Beings are so funny, if it wasn't for the fact I was crying for humanity.

 

Flame away people , flame away.

Whats the small name for Richard Chef.

20 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Some rockets are guided and will explode before impact. There's live footage available of the explosion and the huge fire ball. High tone whistling from high altitude is noticeable before the impact.

 

- Just an example here below in the video to explain the principle : I did'n't say it's that rocket that was used. You won't find a large deep crater, but high volume of shrapnel and high kinetic blast to kill as many people in that spot within a diameter of +/- 50 m.

 

The parking lot was used as open air shelter for Palestinian refugees coming from the north of Gaza.

 

 

Lol, that's a slow motion high pressure blast. You don't think that would blow  leaves off the trees in the parking lot, or blow the trees away? Watch the morning after video, all the trees still have leaves and look unperturbed.

 

Anyway, your alleged crater wouldn't be there. 

 

Please stop with the nonsense. 

 

23 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What story have I made up?

The thing I posted is relevant to you saying 'we all know Hamas started this war'. 

What do you mean by me not wishing to join in the thread? Seems like you think this thread is about only criticizing Palestine and not Israel. 

Dude, I'm neutral in this conflict and want to hear both sides of the story. 

 

Neutral. That's a laugh.

Hearing both sides of the story. That's another.

No one buys this BS. Why bother?

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The Occupation of Palestine: A Short History

 

 

Here we go big letters in Bold print.

2 hours ago, Thorgal said:

The cemetery (next to the hospital) is +/- 25 m from the place of impact (crater).

There is no crater at the car park show us where the crater is Thorgal?

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation.

 

The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/

 

Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded".

 

 

A Issan rocket makes a bigger Hole than that Thorgal. Can someone post a pic of an inpackted Missile and its crater size for the Boy.

8 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

There is no crater at the car park show us where the crater is Thorgal?

Showed it already in another post :

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061

 

 

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Showed it already in another post :

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061

 

 

 

Not much of crater.

 

Oh, and another picture there shows pretty clearly that your 25m nonsense was just that.

 

Another word on them '25m' - if the launcher was anywhere this close to the Hospital, that would be a violation of international law.

44 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What story have I made up?

The thing I posted is relevant to you saying 'we all know Hamas started this war'. 

What do you mean by me not wishing to join in the thread? Seems like you think this thread is about only criticizing Palestine and not Israel. 

Dude, I'm neutral in this conflict and want to hear both sides of the story. 

I'M not a Dude or American.

Hamas is to blame already proven, but they will not be disappointed as it's an excellent op for yet more crying kiddie and dead baby propaganda, who they just killed.🫥

11 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Showed it already in another post :

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061

 

 

Lol, that's not the same small mark you called a crater in your previous post. 

 

What does it tell you when someone continues to make self inconstant claims? Does he believe them?