1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

You used the term "almost" to generalize...

 

That some radicals/zealots will chant and promote Hamas militants and their crimes is certain.

 

But, the majority (like me) is promoting peace for the Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the Jews in Israel.

I don’t believe you.

2 hours ago, Thorgal said:

Most, not to say all worldwide demonstrations against the war in the Gaza strip are symbolized with the Palestinian flag. These demonstrations are initiated to stop the permanent bombing on civilians.

 

I didn't see any demonstration with only Hamas flags or any people defending the Hamas extra judicial killings of the 7th of October 2023 on Israeli citizens.

There is no 'permanent' bombing of civilians.

There was no bombing a couple of weeks ago.

Something happened that triggered them bombings.

Now....what could that have been?

 

What you choose not to see or pretend not to see is not very interesting.

There were pro-Palestinian protestors with '700' signs (that was the casualty toll at the time) throwing counter demonstrations to pro-Israeli protestors. There's them constant 'river to the sea' chants. There's a whole lot of other stuff.

 

No one buys what you're trying to sell.

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

You used the term "almost" to generalize...

 

That some radicals/zealots will chant and promote Hamas militants and their crimes is certain.

 

But, the majority (like me) is promoting peace for the Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the Jews in Israel.

 

No, there were actually quite a lot of that. Not to mention the usual sickening sharing of sweets on the streets in many Arabic countries, never mind the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. People were celebrating this - deny it as you will.

 

You do not promote peace. You spread misinformation. That's how it's always been.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Hamas represents Palestine. 

Not in any official way. Not in any way recognized internationally.

Polls measuring public support do not usually indicate a majority support. Substantial, yes.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So why did you brag about Russia sending a supply plane. "Latest positive input for the region is the food delivery of Russia to Egypt for the Gaza people."

 

Besides, you're behind the times again. Egypt and Israel have agreed to allow the first 20 trucks of aid to pass through, probably tomorrow.

 

 

Brag ??? Why over-exaggerating my post...

 

I just informed, despite Western economic sanctions and freezing their offshore assets, they provided humanitarian aid to Gaza now and to African countries.

 

Nothing more...why denying that the humanitarian aid blockade is still ongoing.

 

Latest bombing of Gaza hospital + humanitarian aid blockade are relevant and nothing "to brag about".

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

Again, the majority (like me) is promoting peace for the Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the Jews in Israel.

 

My choice is based on the wellbeing of civilians in the region and to reduce causalities. 

 

Why forcing (again) to connect genuine peace aims in the region  with unwanted Hamas ideology and crimes? 

Based on your own rules without my consent? 🙂 

 

 

 

How do you 'promote peace', exactly? By posting one-sided misinformation bits? By dragging relevant topics to side discussions? By posting irrelevant dodgy sources?

51 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed. I understand racism and discrimination as a white Thai. 

In the last 3 months I was told I couldn't get the Thai price at my local golf course  because my face wasn't the same as the caddy master. Also,  told I couldn't join the oldest club in the country due to my colour. However, I'm not going to kill anyone, I can see how apartheid could drive people to murder 

 

 

The horror.

Are you about to go and vent this pent up rage of yours on kids in the nearby soy?

2 hours ago, Sandboxer said:

Hope BN stops wasting time hosting the western "leaders" showing up with their wussy-azz calls for "restraint" and starts clobberin' these animals for real. Military morale will suffer otherwise. They deserve to be unleashed asap.

What are you on about? IDF attacks go on. Reports suggest the IDF wants the air strike to continue some more before going in. The waiting time used for extra training, supplying units and so on.

 

Netanyau is not essential for any of these things. Two former chiefs-of-staff on the cabinet now (both opposition members), that know the ropes better than he ever will.

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Brag ??? Why over-exaggerating my post...

 

I just informed, despite Western economic sanctions and freezing their offshore assets, they provided humanitarian aid to Gaza now and to African countries.

 

Nothing more...why denying that the humanitarian aid blockade is still ongoing.

 

Latest bombing of Gaza hospital + humanitarian aid blockade are relevant and nothing "to brag about".

Are you sharing your account with one of your Russian friends.....lol. This is what you wrote and bragged about, nothing to do economic sanctions and freezing off shore assets. 

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10 minutes ago, Morch said:

Not in any official way. Not in any way recognized internationally.

Polls measuring public support do not usually indicate a majority support. Substantial, yes.

Are the not the elected government? 

8 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Brag ??? Why over-exaggerating my post...

 

I just informed, despite Western economic sanctions and freezing their offshore assets, they provided humanitarian aid to Gaza now and to African countries.

 

Nothing more...why denying that the humanitarian aid blockade is still ongoing.

 

Latest bombing of Gaza hospital + humanitarian aid blockade are relevant and nothing "to brag about".

 

What 'bombing' of Gaza hospital?

13 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Brag ??? Why over-exaggerating my post...

 

I just informed, despite Western economic sanctions and freezing their offshore assets, they provided humanitarian aid to Gaza now and to African countries.

 

Nothing more...why denying that the humanitarian aid blockade is still ongoing.

 

Latest bombing of Gaza hospital + humanitarian aid blockade are relevant and nothing "to brag about".

There was no bombing by Israel of a hospital, you keep tripping up, your agenda is showing..................😒 

7 minutes ago, Morch said:

How do you 'promote peace', exactly? By posting one-sided misinformation bits? By dragging relevant topics to side discussions? By posting irrelevant dodgy sources?

I promote peace by  (not limited to) :

 

1. promoting stop bombing & later ground offensive

2. promoting all extra judicial killings

3. promoting no extend of this war to more regions (Iran, HZB, Syria, etc...)

4. promoting political solution, no military solution

5. promote negotiate hostages from both sides

6. promote peaceful protests for both sides

7. promote emergency plan for children and women

 

8. promoting fact-checking against fake and biased war propaganda

9. promoting basic mechanics and physics against proposed boomerang rocket-launchers

10. promoting application of international law

11. promoting independent international in depth criminological research

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Are the not the elected government? 

They were elected. Then there was a political crisis, and de-facto two governments. In effect, the international community continues relations with the PA, not the Hamas. Initially Hamas insisted on its status, but in time maybe realized that it could not actually work out (practically no one would treat with them even), and that it is easier to rule the Gaza Strip, fight with Israel and let the PA shoulder the international angle. This position shifts from time to time according to political needs.

 

The whole situation is a mess, and creates a whole lot of trouble for Gazans and the Gaza Strip. Any international relevant document they need, requires passing two corrupt bureaucracies, international aid budgets are funneled through the PA, former members of the Fatah sometimes face harassment, and the process through which some basic supplies come in (specifically, fuel) is unbelievably complicated (involves an international four way each time).

 

It's complicated. 

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Are the not the elected government? 

I looked on wikipedia.  Seems last Palestinian elections were in 2005/2006.  About 18 years ago.  It doesn't seem to be a very active democracy where rulers represent views of the ruled.

 

Wiki says about Gaza:

 

Following the Fatah–Hamas conflict that started in 2006, Hamas formed a government ruling the Gaza Strip without elections. Gazan Prime Minister Haniyye announced in September 2012 the formation of a second Hamas government, also without elections.

Just now, Thorgal said:

I promote peace by  (not limited to) :

 

1. promoting stop bombing & later ground offensive

2. promoting all extra judicial killings

3. promoting no extend of this war to more regions (Iran, HZB, Syria, etc...)

4. promoting political solution, no military solution

5. promote negotiate hostages from both sides

6. promote peaceful protests for both sides

7. promote emergency plan for children and women

 

8. promoting fact-checking against fake and biased war propaganda

9. promoting basic mechanics and physics against proposed boomerang rocket-launchers

10. promoting application of international law

11. promoting independent international in depth criminological research

Go tell ISIS all that lot, but be prepared to lose your head.........🙃

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

I promote peace by  (not limited to) :

 

1. promoting stop bombing & later ground offensive

2. promoting all extra judicial killings

3. promoting no extend of this war to more regions (Iran, HZB, Syria, etc...)

4. promoting political solution, no military solution

5. promote negotiate hostages from both sides

6. promote peaceful protests for both sides

7. promote emergency plan for children and women

 

8. promoting fact-checking against fake and biased war propaganda

9. promoting basic mechanics and physics against proposed boomerang rocket-launchers

10. promoting application of international law

11. promoting independent international in depth criminological research

 

You do not 'promote' anything though. Your posts do not suggest anything constructive, but are rather focused on bogus 'reports' regarding the situation, often attempting to paint Israel as the sole villain.

 

The list above does not include much (if that) that implies the Palestinians (and specifically, Hamas) need to do. So basically, the same old one-sided drivel.

 

Maybe you're not clear on what 'promote' means, but posting a news reports (even from a questionable source) is not it.

 

Considering the sheer amount of fake information, misinformation, distorted information and propaganda you post, I guess your comment on this was tongue in cheek.

 

Waffle on.

Just now, Thorgal said:

Baptist hospital and many other hospitals were already bombed directly or in their vicinity.

There you go, promoting more misinformation. All current evidence is that the Baptist hospital in Gaza was not bombed. There goes you promotion of..............

 

7 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

8. promoting fact-checking against fake and biased war propaganda

9. promoting basic mechanics and physics against proposed boomerang rocket-launchers

11. promoting independent international in depth criminological research

 

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The terrorists are likely altering the scene with Israel missile fragments. Then they will announce that well before any independent inquiry is even possible  It's never going to be known definitely.

You will have to be a bit more specific, by terrorists do you mean Hamas or the IDF as both are clearly terrorist organisations.

 

As far as who bombed the hospital....does it matter?

 

The fact is that it is entirely plausible that either side committed this atrocity either deliberately or accidentally. 

 

Anyone proclaiming the moral superiority of either side is 100% wrong - they are both, the IDF and Hamas, in the gutters of inhumanity.

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are you sharing your account with one of your Russian friends.....lol. This is what you wrote and bragged about, nothing to do economic sanctions and freezing off shore assets. 

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This text was directed to you as answer.

 

Which "Russian friends" are you talking about?

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There you go, promoting more misinformation. All current evidence is that the Baptist hospital in Gaza was not bombed. There goes you promotion of..............

 

 

I follow the facts line of MSNBS and BBC news (not limited to) :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

This text was directed to you as answer.

 

Which "Russian friends" are you talking about?

The text was your usual off topic deflection. 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

You're not fooling anyone, self defense is not what the Hamas terrorists carried out. The demonstrations carried out in the name of Hamas on the "Day of Rage" that they called for was not for peace, it was for the killing of Jews.

And there is plenty of Israeli's attending demonstrations calling for completing the Nakba.

 

There are equally despicable extremists on both sides.

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

I follow the facts line of MSNBS and BBC news (not limited to) :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why are you posting these early video reports again when the information has now been updated with new evidence. Pure misinformation.................again.

 

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The text was your usual off topic deflection. 

This text was after posting the Russian UN resolution proposals that have NOT been accepted.

 

Russia decided in good spirit to send humanitarian aid to Gaza after cancel UN resolution and many reports of NGO's in Gaza of the human catastrophy.

 

This isn't a deflection...

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

And there is plenty of Israeli's attending demonstrations calling for completing the Nakba.

 

There are equally despicable extremists on both sides.

There are equally despicable extremists on both sides.

 

No, there isn't...........

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1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

This text was after posting the Russian UN resolution proposals that have NOT been accepted.

 

Russia decided in good spirit to send humanitarian aid to Gaza after cancel UN resolution and many reports of NGO's in Gaza of the human catastrophy.

 

This isn't a deflection...

More off topic deflection

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

This text was after posting the Russian UN resolution proposals that have NOT been accepted.

 

Russia decided in good spirit to send humanitarian aid to Gaza after cancel UN resolution and many reports of NGO's in Gaza of the human catastrophy.

 

This isn't a deflection...

I near forgot you were a Putin supporter too....................🤭

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There are equally despicable extremists on both sides.

 

No, there isn't...........

Yes there is and there is a growing number of notable individuals starting to speak out about the awful Israeli occupation and oppression of Palestinians.

 

History did not start on October 7th.