ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[MrMojoRisin]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

AKA managing the conflict.

AKA maintaining a situation that enables continued land grabs and keeps alive the "one state solution" with a jewish majority at the cost of innocent Palestinian and Israeli lives.

[Jeff the Chef]

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You would have to define mowing the lawn first. 

A few references to "Israeli Lawn Mowing"

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mow-lawn-israel’s-strategy-perpetual-war-palestinians-185775

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230515-netanyahu-enjoys-boost-in-poll-after-deadly-mowing-the-lawn-in-gaza/

 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/how-brutal-hamas-attack-shifts-israel-from-managing-to-destroying-it-4477074

 

https://www.masarat.ps/article/446/Israel-mows-the-lawn

[BarraMarra]

The IDF have surrounded Gaza and will soon be Eradicating the Vermin from the Tunnels.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

The IDF have surrounded Gaza and will soon be Eradicating the Vermin from the Tunnels.

 

Even the IDF doesn't claim that.

[BarraMarra]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

A few references to "Israeli Lawn Mowing"

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mow-lawn-israel’s-strategy-perpetual-war-palestinians-185775

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230515-netanyahu-enjoys-boost-in-poll-after-deadly-mowing-the-lawn-in-gaza/

 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/how-brutal-hamas-attack-shifts-israel-from-managing-to-destroying-it-4477074

 

https://www.masarat.ps/article/446/Israel-mows-the-lawn

There lucky their only being Mowed id just Vaporise them in their Tunnels.

[Jeff the Chef]

Just now, BarraMarra said:

There lucky their only being Mowed id just Vaporise them in their Tunnels.

Exactly the answer I expected from you, I hope you're very proud.

[deejai33]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

And here is the heart of the problem.

 

There are but three possible solutions:

 

1. One state solution 

2. Two state solution, independent side by side states 

3. Genocide

 

What does Israel want?

 

Number one is off the table because demographics would make the Jews a minority and as much as they love to claim they are the only democracy in the Middle East, they won't accept a democracy where Arabs have the numerical advantage. The world won't accept apartheid which is what the Israeli's really want so no acceptable outcome for Israel here

 

Number two is off the table because the Israeli's won't give up the land they have already stolen so every offer is always going to be unacceptable to the Palestinians, additionally a defined border prevents further land theft. The idea of Jordan absorbing the West Bank and Egypt absorbing Gaza doesn't work as this option would still require a defined border with Israel and the Israeli's will not like that because, as mentioned, it ends their ability to keep stealing land.

 

Number three appears to be the Israeli's preferred option. A slow moving genocide of an entire people. Make life as unbearable as possible in the hope that the Palestinians will give up and leave of their volition until their numbers dwindle to such a level that option one - a one state solution becomes viable.

 

Its good to be discussing a full solution to this 100+ years conflict.

 

I disagree with you that a zero-state solution for Palestinians will be the outcome, when the Palestinians die out or leave their lands.

 

More opimistically, can I offer this at first sight overly optimistic 2 state option:

 

1. Palestinians realize they won't get the entire land of Palestine back.  They won't win against Israel which has unswerving support from USA. 2 aircraft carriers, surely makes that clear.

 

2. Israel needs to come clean about the history of Zionism since 1895 and apologize.

 

Just as countries such as Holland are now apologizing and accepting their role and immoral actions in creating colonies, slavery.   Say sorry, accept it waa wrong to push native population out of lands they colonised.

 

Israel can say sorry.  Forgive us.  But we are in Israel now, and prospering.  Israel can then offer to help make a viable palestinian state with genuinely fair share of the territory.  And offer to help palestinians build it and prosper.

 

Palestinians can see this as an honest attempt to move on.  Agree to work for a fair 2 state solution.

 

How about that for a happy ending ! I should become a statesman.

 

Both sides giving up strongly felt beliefs and animosity for a peaceful future.

 

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by deejai33

[BarraMarra]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Even the IDF doesn't claim that.

I will retract and apologize for that. i thought I saw an item on the news here in the UK that The IDF had surrounded Gaza. My mistake.

[BarraMarra]

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Exactly the answer I expected from you, I hope you're very proud.

Yep vermin should be Eradicated or you want them coming back later jeff.

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[Jeff the Chef]

Just now, BarraMarra said:

I will retract and apologize for that. i thought I saw an item on the news here in the UK that The IDF had surrounded Gaza. My mistake.

Corn in Egypt 🙂

[BarraMarra]

3 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Its good to be discussing a full solution to this 100+ years conflict.

 

I disagree with you that a zero-state solution for Palestinians will be the outcome, when the Palestinians die out or leave their lands.

 

More opimistically, can I offer this at first sight overly optimistic 2 state option:

 

1. Palestinians realize they won't get the entire land of Palestine back.  They won't win against Israel which has unswerving support from USA. 2 aircraft carriers, surely makes that clear.

 

2. Israel needs to come clean about the history of Zionism since 1895 and apologize.

 

Just as countries such as Holland are now apologizing and accepting their role and immoral actions in creating colonies, slavery.   Say sorry, accept it waa wrong to push native population out of lands they colonised.

 

Israel can say sorry.  Forgive us.  But we are in Israel now, and prospering.  Israel can then offer to help make a viable palestinian state with genuinely fair share of the territory.  And offer to help palestinians build it and prosper.

 

Palestinians can see this as an honest attempt to move on.  Agree to work for a fair 2 state solution.

 

How about that for a happy ending ! I should become a statesman.

 

Both sides giving up strongly felt beliefs and animosity for a peaceful future.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Its good to be discussing a full solution to this 100+ years conflict.

 

I disagree with you that a zero-state solution for Palestinians will be the outcome, when the Palestinians die out or leave their lands.

 

More opimistically, can I offer this at first sight overly optimistic 2 state option:

 

1. Palestinians realize they won't get the entire land of Palestine back.  They won't win against Israel which has unswerving support from USA. 2 aircraft carriers, surely makes that clear.

 

2. Israel needs to come clean about the history of Zionism since 1895 and apologize.

 

Just as countries such as Holland are now apologizing and accepting their role and immoral actions in creating colonies, slavery.   Say sorry, accept it waa wrong to push native population out of lands they colonised.

 

Israel can say sorry.  Forgive us.  But we are in Israel now, and prospering.  Israel can then offer to help make a viable palestinian state with genuinely fair share of the territory.  And offer to help palestinians build it and prosper.

 

Palestinians can see this as an honest attempt to move on.  Agree to work for a fair 2 state solution.

 

How about that for a happy ending ! I should become a statesman.

 

Both sides giving up strongly felt beliefs and animosity for a peaceful future.

 

 

Your wrong deejai33 its about Israel at war now as the Thread title says not what happened a 100 years ago.

[Yagoda]

53 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

They certainly are.

Just as you can be assured the next terrorist attack will slaughter more than 1400 Israelis.

What a wonderful world.

Wishful thinking then? 

[BarraMarra]

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Corn in Egypt 🙂

???

[Yellowtail]

23 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Google: Israel mowing the lawn

No, given your propensity for redefinitions, I'd rather just go by one in your own words so we're clear from the get. 

 

Just like I used your link to show that over half of Palestinians support hamas eradicating Israel, I don't have to worry about you lying about the quality of the data.  

 

 

[BarraMarra]

Once the IDF go further into Gaza Air Strikes will cease unless there called in from a spotter. Then we will see how Hamas fight. But I suspect they will run through the tunnels to join up with Hezbolah they won't take on the Israeli army.

[James105]

13 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Its good to be discussing a full solution to this 100+ years conflict.

 

I disagree with you that a zero-state solution for Palestinians will be the outcome, when the Palestinians die out or leave their lands.

 

More opimistically, can I offer this at first sight overly optimistic 2 state option:

 

1. Palestinians realize they won't get the entire land of Palestine back.  They won't win against Israel which has unswerving support from USA. 2 aircraft carriers, surely makes that clear.

 

2. Israel needs to come clean about the history of Zionism since 1895 and apologize.

 

Just as countries such as Holland are now apologizing and accepting their role and immoral actions in creating colonies, slavery.   Say sorry, accept it waa wrong to push native population out of lands they colonised.

 

Israel can say sorry.  Forgive us.  But we are in Israel now, and prospering.  Israel can then offer to help make a viable palestinian state with genuinely fair share of the territory.  And offer to help palestinians build it and prosper.

 

Palestinians can see this as an honest attempt to move on.  Agree to work for a fair 2 state solution.

 

How about that for a happy ending ! I should become a statesman.

 

Both sides giving up strongly felt beliefs and animosity for a peaceful future.

 

 

 

Any Israelis still alive who were responsible for whatever happened in 1895 then I absolutely agree they should apologise.   If they are all dead then the people alive today are not any more responsible than I am for whatever my great, great, great grandparents did during that period.   

 

Isreal already tried giving Palestinians support to turn Gaza into a prosperous state, but citizens of Gaza chose hate instead.  

 

 

[deejai33]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Israel does not recognize the the ICC's authority. 

 

Hamas usually does a charade of accepting investigations, then limiting access of investigators to information, witnesses and sites.

 

 

 

 

Israel should recognize the ICC.

 

By not doing it, they look like they have war crimes to hide.

 

Hamas too should allow full access for ICC investigators.

 

 

 

 

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[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, deejai33 said:

Yes, needle in a haystack.

 

More like a needle in many haystacks.

 

1 minute ago, deejai33 said:

I've given you a ha-ha emoji. Sorry.

 

And my sense of self worth has increased for it.

Thank you.

 

1 minute ago, deejai33 said:

Are you the guy who is the hamas apologist and anti-semite ?  I like to read many of your links, and you seem to see the need to talk about root causes and possible solutions.

 

That is me.

How silly of me discussing "root causes and solutions" such an idiotic notion.

 

1 minute ago, deejai33 said:

I get called a troll and waffler.   I'll have to make some gruesome references to dead babies and fetus's to gain acceptance.  Joking.

 

How about antisemite, not got that one yet?

 

Always remember, only the Palestinians are the doers of the gruesome deeds and you'll be fine.

[Morch]

54 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

There lucky their only being Mowed id just Vaporise them in their Tunnels.

 

Along with the hostages?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

20 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Hamas too should allow full access for ICC investigators.

You only added this line to try and kid everyone that you have a sense of impartiality. Who in their right mind would think that people who cut open a pregnant woman while she was still alive and removed her unborn baby, beheaded it in front of her and then beheaded her, would be willing to give full access to ICC investigators … you either think we are all gullible enough to be fooled by your obvious ploy, or you exist in a parallel dimension.

[Morch]

51 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Its good to be discussing a full solution to this 100+ years conflict.

 

I disagree with you that a zero-state solution for Palestinians will be the outcome, when the Palestinians die out or leave their lands.

 

More opimistically, can I offer this at first sight overly optimistic 2 state option:

 

1. Palestinians realize they won't get the entire land of Palestine back.  They won't win against Israel which has unswerving support from USA. 2 aircraft carriers, surely makes that clear.

 

2. Israel needs to come clean about the history of Zionism since 1895 and apologize.

 

Just as countries such as Holland are now apologizing and accepting their role and immoral actions in creating colonies, slavery.   Say sorry, accept it waa wrong to push native population out of lands they colonised.

 

Israel can say sorry.  Forgive us.  But we are in Israel now, and prospering.  Israel can then offer to help make a viable palestinian state with genuinely fair share of the territory.  And offer to help palestinians build it and prosper.

 

Palestinians can see this as an honest attempt to move on.  Agree to work for a fair 2 state solution.

 

How about that for a happy ending ! I should become a statesman.

 

Both sides giving up strongly felt beliefs and animosity for a peaceful future.

 

 

 

Oh dear, another one.

 

So to cap:

 

Israel apologizes, the Palestinians graciously accept, and all is well.

 

Yeah.....that'd work. 

[Morch]

36 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Once the IDF go further into Gaza Air Strikes will cease unless there called in from a spotter. Then we will see how Hamas fight. But I suspect they will run through the tunnels to join up with Hezbolah they won't take on the Israeli army.

 

The Gaza Strip borders Israel and Egypt. Hezbollah are in Lebanon. How does this run thing work, then?

 

Also, again - IDF actually takes this way more seriously than you. Expecting strong resistance in an area favoring the defending team, and casualties involved.

 

All this gung ho stuff is ridiculous.

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

 

Israel should recognize the ICC.

 

By not doing it, they look like they have war crimes to hide.

 

Hamas too should allow full access for ICC investigators.

 

 

 

 

 

The ICC and the UN should be less biased against Israel.

Maybe then it will be considered.

 

Should....

Could you deal with reality rather than dream up stuff?

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

There lucky their only being Mowed id just Vaporise them in their Tunnels.

 

12 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Along with the hostages?

 

Maybe needs a rethink there BarraMarra

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, deejai33 said:

Its good to be discussing a full solution to this 100+ years conflict.

 

I disagree with you that a zero-state solution for Palestinians will be the outcome, when the Palestinians die out or leave their lands.

 

More opimistically, can I offer this at first sight overly optimistic 2 state option:

 

1. Palestinians realize they won't get the entire land of Palestine back.  They won't win against Israel which has unswerving support from USA. 2 aircraft carriers, surely makes that clear.

 

2. Israel needs to come clean about the history of Zionism since 1895 and apologize.

 

Just as countries such as Holland are now apologizing and accepting their role and immoral actions in creating colonies, slavery.   Say sorry, accept it waa wrong to push native population out of lands they colonised.

 

Israel can say sorry.  Forgive us.  But we are in Israel now, and prospering.  Israel can then offer to help make a viable palestinian state with genuinely fair share of the territory.  And offer to help palestinians build it and prosper.

 

Palestinians can see this as an honest attempt to move on.  Agree to work for a fair 2 state solution.

 

How about that for a happy ending ! I should become a statesman.

 

Both sides giving up strongly felt beliefs and animosity for a peaceful future.

 

 

 

Please reassure everyone that this comment is satire

[MrMojoRisin]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

No, per the link, only about 45% do not support hamas' exterminating the Jews. 

 

About 12% a great deal, about 18% quite a lot, and about 22% not a lot. That 52% that support, and less than 45% (None at all) that don't support hamas' exterminating the Jews. 

 

 

I always liked Topcat (and Hong Kong Phooey).

 

Your understanding of the polling you're quoting is quite deficient.

 

When asked how they would vote if presidential elections were held in Gaza and the ballot featured Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, and Marwan Barghouti, an imprisoned member of the central committee of Fatah, the party led by Abbas, only 24 percent of respondents said they would vote for Haniyeh. Barghouti received the largest share of support at 32 percent and Abbas received 12 percent. 

 

Here's a morsel you can get some milage out of:

 

Most Gazans attributed the lack of food to internal problems rather than to external sanctions. ... In short, Gazans were more likely to blame their material predicament on Hamas’s leadership than on Israel’s economic blockade.

 

This not so much milage for you:

 

Overall, the survey responses indicate that Gazans desire political change. About half of Gazans expressed support for democracy: 48 percent affirmed that “democracy is always preferable to any other kind of government.” Given the low opinion most Gazans hold of their government, it is unsurprising that their disapproval extends to Hamas as a political party. 

 

By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas’s goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose “other”), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords.

 

No mention of exterminating Jews in the article so can't give any figures on it - you should just go with your gut feel - it's not as if facts are important to you.

 

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas#:~:text=On the eve of Hamas's,percent of the adult population.

Edited October 31, 2023 by MrMojoRisin

[MrMojoRisin]

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The Gaza Strip borders Israel and Egypt. Hezbollah are in Lebanon. How does this run thing work, then?

 

Also, again - IDF actually takes this way more seriously than you. Expecting strong resistance in an area favoring the defending team, and casualties involved.

 

All this gung ho stuff is ridiculous.

🤣🤣🤣

 

The run thing works by taking the 300km tunnel from Lebanon to Gaza.

 

And yes, the IDF have not forgotten Jenin.

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