Working class Brits struggling, small business swamped with mountains of paperwork, economy tanking. Did the politicians botch the implementation pf Brexit?

[Goat]

Or was it just a bad idea from the start?

 

 

[JayClay]

4 minutes ago, Goat said:

was it just a bad idea from the start

Yes

[Callmeishmael]

It doesn't matter whether you live in the UK, the USA or China.  The future looks bleak for everyone who is not one of the top 10% of the economy.  When I lived in Silicon Valley, I referred to myself as a Techno-Serf.  That is the going to be an increasingly common description!

[Goat]

2 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

It doesn't matter whether you live in the UK, the USA or China.  

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/uk-economy-worst-g7/

 

The UK is on track to be the worst-performing economy in the G7 this year. That’s according to experts at the International Monetary Fund (IMF), who predict that the UK economy will shrink by 0.3 per cent in 2023. 

By contrast, the United States is forecast to grow by 1.6 per cent this year. Spain will see a 1.5 per cent increase, and France and Italy will see slight upticks of 0.7 per cent.

[OneMoreFarang]

6 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

It doesn't matter whether you live in the UK, the USA or China.  The future looks bleak for everyone who is not one of the top 10% of the economy.  When I lived in Silicon Valley, I referred to myself as a Techno-Serf.  That is the going to be an increasingly common description!

Really?

 

It seems to me that people like builders, plumbers, car mechanics, etc. can make reasonable money if they do good work and are not lazy.

It seems many think they go to university and from then on, they must make a lot of money, like sitting in the twitter office and doing nothing. That works for some people for some time, but not for many people for a long time.

[VocalNeal]

The Big Issue is now online.???? No wonder the homeless are struggling????

[georgegeorgia]

Australia can't get plumbers and other tradies 

 

I had to wait weeks for a plumber recently,I found a British plumber tourist here,(Sydney )on a 2 week holiday install my bathroom vanity for cash , he was happy and half the cost of a Aussie plumber who wanted $450 to install a bathroom vanity !!

 

If there's any tradies from other countries please come to Australia on a tourist visa and work for cash ,we need you !!

[Goat]

The video in the link features the place in Britain that recorded the biggest leave vote.

It seems many, if not most voted to leave not for the economic angle but because they dont like non white people.

 

With the vote being so close i think it was probably these voters that got the leave over the line. 

Now they are whinging about the other cosequences.

 

England is the only country in history that voted to impose sanctions on themselves.

Surely if it was just an immigrant issue there could have been an easier way to deal with that without shooting the economy in the foot?

[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, Goat said:

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/uk-economy-worst-g7/

 

The UK is on track to be the worst-performing economy in the G7 this year. That’s according to experts at the International Monetary Fund (IMF), who predict that the UK economy will shrink by 0.3 per cent in 2023. 

By contrast, the United States is forecast to grow by 1.6 per cent this year. Spain will see a 1.5 per cent increase, and France and Italy will see slight upticks of 0.7 per cent.

Anyone who has been paying attention knows that these doom and gloom predictions for the UK are quietly revised upwards once the real figures come out. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/30/uk-economy-better-germany-france-brexit-remainers/

 

I'd save those Remainer tears for France and Germany.

 

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

You have to be on the bright side, you've left just before the French fleeced  EU, once more,  to ride out the Covid crisis

[Prubangboy]

Chapter 10,000 of:

 

It's grim up Norf.

 

'Saw Jerry Lee Lewis fly in on his own plane in Blackpool -with Chubby Brown opening.

 

Otherwise, see above.

 

[Jackbenimble]

the problem is two-fold.

1. It wasn't implemented as intended (cause they were Remainers)

2. They didn't tell us it wasn't implemented properly (obviously) and then tried to blame all the ensuing problems that have arisen since on its' implementation. 

 

It needed a pro-leave politician at the helm so that it would be implemented as intended. Farage was the obvious candidate but was a loose cannon and was paid off to keep his nose out. The Remainers in the Cabinet wanted to Brext to fail. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they negotiated a way back in and all these issues have been deliberately created and even exacerbated. 

[Jenkins9039]

On 10/9/2023 at 10:27 AM, Goat said:

Or was it just a bad idea from the start?

 

 

More of a demographic issue.

 

Gov is forced to debase the currency to offset the demographic loss to productivity (AI/Robotics will in the future achieve, but also displace).

 

This pumps assets for those that bought before all the debasement truly got underway (2013).

 

Whilst those entering the asset accumulation phase, or at the bottom, struggle to get sound footings.

 

Nothing to do with Brexit per-se would have occurred anyway.

 

EU will go through it more harshly, Germany the back-rock of the European Union is destined to collapse over the next 10 yrs.

 

Difference is the UK won't be dictated to provide funding, and taxation to support, or further currency debasement to support ailing EU countries, so can just concentrate on our own issues.

[Jackbenimble]

On 10/9/2023 at 11:28 AM, Goat said:

The video in the link features the place in Britain that recorded the biggest leave vote.

It seems many, if not most voted to leave not for the economic angle but because they dont like non white people.

 

With the vote being so close i think it was probably these voters that got the leave over the line. 

Now they are whinging about the other cosequences.

 

England is the only country in history that voted to impose sanctions on themselves.

Surely if it was just an immigrant issue there could have been an easier way to deal with that without shooting the economy in the foot?

it wasn't mosr definately NOT a non-white thing. Just say what you mean instead of beating around the bush. The UK is arguablt the most ratially tolerant and diversive country there is. 

The main issue was a sovereignty issue. The wokeist EU were forever imposing ridiculous laws on us that had no bearing on life in UK. Open door immigration without any checks being done on who was actually coming in and lying about the numbers that did come in. 

It became intolerable and people voiced their displeasure at the ballot box. Your regional remark is verging on racist and is another reason the polls got it sooo wrong. 

All those stories in the media of life coming to a halt, planes being unable to fly over our air space, etc.........economies crashing to unprecendet levels..........the people just got sick of being hoodwinked.

You clearly went along with the hoodwinking or you're a terrible wokeist liberal and part of the problem.

[JonnyF]

On 10/9/2023 at 11:28 AM, Goat said:

The video in the link features the place in Britain that recorded the biggest leave vote.

It seems many, if not most voted to leave not for the economic angle but because they dont like non white people.

Absolute nonsense. We are one of the most tolerant, diverse countries in the world.

 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:28 AM, Goat said:

 

With the vote being so close i think it was probably these voters that got the leave over the line. 

Now they are whinging about the other cosequences.

What consequences? It appears Germany is the one with all the issues.

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-govt-expects-economy-shrink-04-2023-source-2023-10-06/

 

 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:28 AM, Goat said:

 

England is the only country in history that voted to impose sanctions on themselves.

England? Brexit was a UK issue. You're just showing your lack of knowledge again.

 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:28 AM, Goat said:

Surely if it was just an immigrant issue there could have been an easier way to deal with that without shooting the economy in the foot?

We didn't shoot the economy in the foot. Actually we are doing better than France and Germany.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-and-germany-as-economic-growth-bigger-than-expected-after-covid-12972101

 

With China taking over the world's car production, don't expect the German economy to recover any time soon. Bad news all round for the EU. 

 

[BritManToo]

On 10/9/2023 at 11:09 AM, Goat said:

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/uk-economy-worst-g7/

 

The UK is on track to be the worst-performing economy in the G7 this year. That’s according to experts at the International Monetary Fund (IMF), who predict that the UK economy will shrink by 0.3 per cent in 2023. 

By contrast, the United States is forecast to grow by 1.6 per cent this year. Spain will see a 1.5 per cent increase, and France and Italy will see slight upticks of 0.7 per cent.

And so far all the predictions have been wrong, and they quietly revise them up after the headlines have gone.

I wanted to remain, so I could buy a farm and retire in France (that idea gone now).

But I do admit to not liking all the Polish/Romanians flooding into the UK, they are white so not a racist. 

[Jumbo1968]

1 hour ago, Jackbenimble said:

it wasn't mosr definately NOT a non-white thing. Just say what you mean instead of beating around the bush. The UK is arguablt the most ratially tolerant and diversive country there is. 

The main issue was a sovereignty issue. The wokeist EU were forever imposing ridiculous laws on us that had no bearing on life in UK. Open door immigration without any checks being done on who was actually coming in and lying about the numbers that did come in. 

It became intolerable and people voiced their displeasure at the ballot box. Your regional remark is verging on racist and is another reason the polls got it sooo wrong. 

All those stories in the media of life coming to a halt, planes being unable to fly over our air space, etc.........economies crashing to unprecendet levels..........the people just got sick of being hoodwinked.

You clearly went along with the hoodwinking or you're a terrible wokeist liberal and part of the problem.

Definitely not a non white thing but people were convinced there were people from other EU countries taking their jobs. Since Brexit there has been more immigration all legal, the problem is the EU workers we depended on to collect the fruit and veg, working in the hospitality industry and Care Sector can’t come anymore with out a lengthy visa process.

The U.K. now has produce rotting in the fields or the farmers have cut back on what they grow, restaurants have restricted opening hours due to staff shortages and the Care Home sector has thousands of vacancies.

[newbee2022]

I don't know what this post has to do with Thailand ????

There is definitely no connection between people in Little Britain and people in Thailand.

If so - what you have to explain - why not compare people in Britain with people in Bangladesh or Mali or Sudan?

So just dump it.????

[Dionigi]

2 hours ago, Jackbenimble said:

it wasn't mosr definately NOT a non-white thing. Just say what you mean instead of beating around the bush. The UK is arguablt the most ratially tolerant and diversive country there is. 

The main issue was a sovereignty issue. The wokeist EU were forever imposing ridiculous laws on us that had no bearing on life in UK. Open door immigration without any checks being done on who was actually coming in and lying about the numbers that did come in. 

It became intolerable and people voiced their displeasure at the ballot box. Your regional remark is verging on racist and is another reason the polls got it sooo wrong. 

All those stories in the media of life coming to a halt, planes being unable to fly over our air space, etc.........economies crashing to unprecendet levels..........the people just got sick of being hoodwinked.

You clearly went along with the hoodwinking or you're a terrible wokeist liberal and part of the problem.

plus the Maastricht treaty was pointing the way to total unity of europe. One armed forces, one governing body with countries parliaments being relegated to the level of county councils. I did not get chance to vote but would have voted leave and still would, given the chance. Incompetent leaders is the problem, only incompetents are on offer for your vote, politicians and not leaders. There is only a veneer of democracy when you are offered a choice between a or b and both a and b are going to follow the party line. That is the same choice given in communist elections. Worse still in the uk the prime minister is not elected by the public but by his party, now that really is democracy gone wrong. Screaming Lord Sutch and his monster raving loony party probably put forward some of the best legislation in the uk.

[Andycoops]

It wasn't a idea it was Cameron caving into his back benchers to include a referendum on leaving the EU in the party manifesto in return for him to continue as PM for a second term, which he gladly did of course thinking that he would win the referendum to stay in....

The usual conservative excrement we have seen for the last upteen years of putting their party first and the nation in the sewer...

[baansgr]

On 10/9/2023 at 10:27 AM, Goat said:

Or was it just a bad idea from the start?

 

 

Sorry I am not that old and can't remember events from almost a decade ago...

[sandyf]

2 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Difference is the UK won't be dictated to provide funding, and taxation to support, or further currency debasement to support ailing EU countries, so can just concentrate on our own issues.

In the last financial year(2021/22) when outside of the EU, 0.7% of UK income tax went to the EU, about the same as when in the EU.

On the other hand in that same year 7.6% of UK income tax went on National Debt interest, compared to 5.1% on Defence and 4.7% on Transport.

What nobody is prepared to say is how much did the Brexit fiasco contribute to the national debt. In 2016 National Debt interest was 5.2% of income tax.

A new government brexit department with hundreds of politicians and civil servants in Europe on expenses, while the food banks were struggling to meet demand.

The greatest act of self harm by a population since the Chinese famine.

[Jumbo1968]

33 minutes ago, Dionigi said:

plus the Maastricht treaty was pointing the way to total unity of europe. One armed forces, one governing body with countries parliaments being relegated to the level of county councils. I did not get chance to vote but would have voted leave and still would, given the chance. Incompetent leaders is the problem, only incompetents are on offer for your vote, politicians and not leaders. There is only a veneer of democracy when you are offered a choice between a or b and both an and b are going to follow the party line. That is the same choice given in communist elections. Worse still in the uk the prime minister is not elected by the public but by his party, now that really is democracy gone wrong. Screaming Lord Sutch and his monster raving loony party probably put forward some of the best legislation in the uk.

The PM is the leader of the party, they are never elected by the public.

[Presnock]

No, I hear/read that the US economy is zooming right now while many other nations are hurting.  But, query any working class person in the US and they will tell you that life sucks if they don't just punch you as they too are pissed off about their financial status.  The only folks who are not being swamped by the

interest rates due to "inflation" are the really rich people.  But all the working stiffs are PISSED off.  I chat with folks back home and they all show me the

horror stories of trying to buy a house or car, credit card interest rates etc and gas prices zooming.  If you see any US news it will be about the workers

in just about every industry on strikes for higher wages and better benefits.  

[Drumbuie]

It was a terrible deal, done in a hurry for electoral reasons, not economic ones, and very poorly negotiated by the British side who acted like a baby in a high chair, banging their spoon and screaming "I want....!!!" .

A tactic which may be ok at Eton ( though I somehow doubt it) or in the Bullingdon Club ( more like it) , but out in the real world beyond the M25 (let alone the Channel) that is not how international negotiation works. 

The other useless tactic they favoured was " ignore it and it'll go away", particularly regarding the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

Now, in the years since Brexit, immigration has increased and the Tories are now considering special visas to attract more people from South Asia. And the NHS, far from getting the "savings" from leaving the EU is seriously understaffed ( many staff were EU citizens) and nearly bankrupt.

Not quite what was written on the side of that bus, is it?

[Tidal wave]

Plain and simple we was sold a lie by liars so Tory toffs can lord it .

[mrfill]

On 10/9/2023 at 5:29 AM, JonnyF said:

Anyone who has been paying attention knows that these doom and gloom predictions for the UK are quietly revised upwards once the real figures come out. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/30/uk-economy-better-germany-france-brexit-remainers/

 

I'd save those Remainer tears for France and Germany.

 

 

 

That's generally known as 'cooking the books'. A similar action took place in 2014 when HMG were spouting that the UK economy was now the fifth largest in the world. The reason (which they never bothered to mention) was that the method of calculating GDP was revised to include a notional figure for prostitution and drugs. Hey presto! The GDP suddenly takes an upward burst and its drinks all round at such a great success.....

[sammieuk1]

8 minutes ago, Tidal wave said:

Plain and simple we was sold a lie by liars so Tory toffs can lord it .

Post of the week decade with a sunken £ on top ????

[transam]

An Aussie starting a Brexit thread, is this another of your British pokes, why not, why is your dollar exchange rate cr@p.................????

[transam]

On 10/9/2023 at 11:29 AM, JonnyF said:

Anyone who has been paying attention knows that these doom and gloom predictions for the UK are quietly revised upwards once the real figures come out. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/30/uk-economy-better-germany-france-brexit-remainers/

 

I'd save those Remainer tears for France and Germany.

 

 

 

 Do you know the Aussie anti-Brit is baiting here....????