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State of the Forum and its Direction

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On 12/30/2023 at 4:23 PM, Mike Lister said:

The number of people on an ignore list is relative to that posters willingness to tolerate nonsense. It doesn't make them bitter, just unwilling to put up with trolling and stupidity.

I find using the ignore list to be extremely childish. How did anyone survive decades of living in the real world only to be offended by words on an anonymous forum by anonymous people. Why some even get offended by emojis, imagine that.

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It would be great if we could ignore topics. Other forums have that ability.

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23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I find using the ignore list to be extremely childish. How did anyone survive decades of living in the real world only to be offended by words on an anonymous forum by anonymous people. Why some even get offended by emojis, imagine that.

It is not a matter of being offended, it is a matter of not having such individual trolling them. 

sometimes people reply to you. "welcome to my ignore list"  Now that's childish. messaging people is the opposite of ignoring them. I think they intend it as a punishment. "I did not like what you said and I am punishing you" :laugh: how childish is that? If you want to ignore people. simply ignore them.

There are plenty of people in my ignore list , unless there is a way to know it without me telling them, I don't think any of them know it. They are probably still wasting their time responding to me. 

 

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5 minutes ago, rhodie said:

It would be great if we could ignore topics. Other forums have that ability.

It would be great if we could ignore topics created by certain posters! Other forums have that ability.

On 1/26/2024 at 8:35 PM, ozimoron said:

While adding to my ignore list I noticed I have two pages now and it's interesting to see that most of them have now departed.

You're avving a laff right? 

3 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

It would be great if we could ignore topics created by certain posters! Other forums have that ability.

A good amendment! I didn't want to put it that blatantly. :)

Have a great day

7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

It is not a matter of being offended, it is a matter of not having such individual trolling them. 

sometimes people reply to you. "welcome to my ignore list"  Now that's childish. messaging people is the opposite of ignoring them. I think they intend it as a punishment. "I did not like what you said and I am pulsing you" :laugh: how childish is that? If you want to ignore people. simply ignore them.

There are plenty of people in my ignore list , unless there is a way to know it without me telling them, I don't think any of them know it. They are probably still wasting their time responding to me. 

 

It's almost time for a new laptop, maybe I'll change my user name here once again. I've had several through out the years.

 

The way some post on here it makes me wonder how they functioned through life.

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37 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I find using the ignore list to be extremely childish. How did anyone survive decades of living in the real world only to be offended by words on an anonymous forum by anonymous people. Why some even get offended by emojis, imagine that.

It's not about whether a person is offended or not, if that's what the rules are, that's what they are.

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

The way some post on here it makes me wonder how they functioned through life.

I often wonder the same. :smile: 

 

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On 1/31/2024 at 5:14 PM, sipi said:

I'm happy to hang around the community pub from a distance. Maybe the DIY area, since I'm a tradesman. Occasionally the "general" area.

 

I posted in the regional threads a few times, gawd won't be doing that again in any hurry. I got chased out like a rabid soy dog.

 

This.

I go hang out in Farms/Gardening & DIY trades when the forum fires of hell burn too hot. it's calming to read how people keep killing their vegetables, fighting hordes of invading insects, and about drainage that just won't drain. I recommended it. For the record I show respect in these forums, it's people doing real things, not like most of us type fighting every night in the gritty underground of forum city.

 

 

 

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Opinions on the ignore list are similar to opinions on emoji's, they vary from person to person and work for some but not for others......each to their own I say. 

 

Posters who change their forum name, in an an attempt to escape emjoi's or in a desire to become anonymous once again, are not addressing the underlying issue. Posting style and attitude follow posters from one name to the next and are easily spotted before long. It's far better, I think, to change and fix the underlying issue than to change the name and have history repeat itself. 

17 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

It's not about whether a person is offended or not, if that's what the rules are, that's what they are.

Ah the rules. Yes we have become a society that requires constant rules and strict enforcement of said rules. 

On 12/31/2023 at 7:23 AM, Mike Lister said:

The number of people on an ignore list is relative to that posters willingness to tolerate nonsense. It doesn't make them bitter, just unwilling to put up with trolling and stupidity.

 

Not necessarily. Some posters with a significant ignore list parrot propaganda or simplistic (almost populist) views on the forum and don't tolerate being called out on that and proven wrong.

Don't you love it when someone posts a story of here is what happened to me and then gets a bunch of snarly replies in essence saying no that did not happen to you?  Many may well not understand why it happened but they are pretty sure they know that something happened unless they have the big A.

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm mystified as to why emojis are available for moderator comments, yet if you use them you're suspended. Seems much like entrapment to me. Humor, not humuor  differs with everyone, a laughing face shouldn't get you put behind bars.

 

Two things.

 

1. The post should be genuinely funny, otherwise it's trolling.

 

2. Not a reflection on you but I dislike the anonymity of the emoticons.

 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I find using the ignore list to be extremely childish. How did anyone survive decades of living in the real world only to be offended by words on an anonymous forum by anonymous people. Why some even get offended by emojis, imagine that.

 

It helps me be more productive and improves my mood to ignore people who aren't going to debate in good faith, like actually comment on the substance of the post instead of endless personal jibes.

 

47 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You're avving a laff right? 

 

No, at least half of the posters I have in my list I don't see anymore.

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1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Ah the rules. Yes we have become a society that requires constant rules and strict enforcement of said rules. 

Er, yes and no! The more people there are, the more we need rules but enforcement is something else. Degrees of enforcement vary from place to place and person to person, you're far more likely to get a traffic ticket in the West than here. Similarly, a poster is far less likely to be issued a warning by some moderators here than by others. What people fail to always spot is the number of occasions they were given a pass previously when the circumstances really suggested they should not be. It's only when the person is perceived to be pushing the envelope or trying it on that the policeman finally relents and issue a citation for doing 35 in a 30, every time they drive by.

 

5 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

Not necessarily. Some posters with a significant ignore list parrot propaganda or simplistic (almost populist) views on the forum and don't tolerate being called out on that and proven wrong.

 

I wouldn't mind being proven wrong. People got on my ignore list for persistently failing to attempt that.

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6 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

Not necessarily. Some posters with a significant ignore list parrot propaganda or simplistic (almost populist) views on the forum and don't tolerate being called out on that and proven wrong.

It's good that we ALL have different opinions and are allowed to express them, there is no right or wrong in that respect. 

On 12/2/2023 at 6:52 AM, Mike Lister said:

Thanks. Maybe that's part of the problem, dunno, I didn't spot that there's a more lengthy set of rules, behind the set of 10 that I first saw, I wonder how many other posters did the same.

 

On 12/2/2023 at 6:52 AM, Mike Lister said:

Thanks. Maybe that's part of the problem, dunno, I didn't spot that there's a more lengthy set of rules, behind the set of 10 that I first saw, I wonder how many other posters did the same.

 

i wonder why a moderator on this forum would not be aware of the rules. seems to me that this should be his/her first concern. mike you offer good answers and i often read your content.

 

some people on here simply dont get along and have a go at each other. i prefer this new format where the mods simply delete the posts rather than ban any of us for simply having a go. after a while it generally stops.

 

you are aware that if you ban someone it is easy enough to create a new user account and come back on the forum. i also believe that many users already have a few accounts that they use to bring up their likes and gang up on members. 

 

i like this new format. i admit i sometimes go off topic but generally i try to abide by the forum rules. AN is still a lot cleaner than teekbore.com and more professional than thaiger. i think that in general the users are friendly and overall respectful. i have often got good answers to my queries here. mike... i respect you much and dont worry... i think things are overall good here

On 1/1/2024 at 12:14 PM, Yellowtail said:

I think the ignore thing is hilarious. It's like "Drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die." 

 

Agreed. There's not enough warm bodies left here to have the luxury of ignoring anyone.

 

The drinking poison quote has been attributed to Carrie Fisher, Plato, and Buddha. I think a version of it originates with Emerson. 

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2 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

 

 

i wonder why a moderator on this forum would not be aware of the rules. seems to me that this should be his/her first concern. mike you offer good answers and i often read your content.

 

some people on here simply dont get along and have a go at each other. i prefer this new format where the mods simply delete the posts rather than ban any of us for simply having a go. after a while it generally stops.

 

you are aware that if you ban someone it is easy enough to create a new user account and come back on the forum. i also believe that many users already have a few accounts that they use to bring up their likes and gang up on members. 

 

i like this new format. i admit i sometimes go off topic but generally i try to abide by the forum rules. AN is still a lot cleaner than teekbore.com and more professional than thaiger. i think that in general the users are friendly and overall respectful. i have often got good answers to my queries here. mike... i respect you much and dont worry... i think things are overall good here

Er, I've only been a Moderator for three weeks but I've been a poster for a lot longer. When I became a mod, my name badge changed so all my old posts show they were posted by a moderator, rather than a regular poster.....that's why.

 

Sure, people can always always reinvent themselves and assume a new name but a combination of things interfere with that. Technology plays a major role but mostly it's attitude and style, both of which reveal themselves after a short time.

 

I have tried very hard to not hand out formal warnings or to suspend people but it hasn't always been possible. The forum is very strict about the process we go through to ban a person which is very very robust and involves everyone on the moderation team.

 

Some poster though just don't get it but usually it's only temporary. They often get into a debate with someone else and just wont quit and then the name calling begins, even the most seemingly mature and intelligent posters do this. If such people don't respond favorably to a PM, a one day rest often helps them return to normal, so far I've only had to do that to three people in three weeks.

 

And yes, I agree, things today are much better than they were in the past, posters have a lot of latitude to express their views, as along as they remain civil and reasonable.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mike Lister said:

Er, yes and no! The more people there are, the more we need rules but enforcement is something else. Degrees of enforcement vary from place to place and person to person, you're far more likely to get a traffic ticket in the West than here. Similarly, a poster is far less likely to be issued a warning by some moderators here than by others. What people fail to always spot is the number of occasions they were given a pass previously when the circumstances really suggested they should not be. It's only when the person is perceived to be pushing the envelope or trying it on that the policeman finally relents and issue a citation for doing 35 in a 30, every time they drive by.

 

Until the time when the driver decides to take a different route and the said policeman wakes up one day without any drivers to ticket. Such is life.

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2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

It would be great if we could ignore topics created by certain posters! Other forums have that ability.

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3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Until the time when the driver decides to take a different route and the said policeman wakes up one day without any drivers to ticket. Such is life.

A fair point EK but I think it's important to understand that the vast majority of posters are very reasonable people who post sensibly and constructively, I might even guess in excess of 95% are. Which makes it a simple task to spot those that are not. 

29 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

 

 

i wonder why a moderator on this forum would not be aware of the rules. seems to me that this should be his/her first concern. mike you offer good answers and i often read your content.

 

some people on here simply dont get along and have a go at each other. i prefer this new format where the mods simply delete the posts rather than ban any of us for simply having a go. after a while it generally stops.

 

you are aware that if you ban someone it is easy enough to create a new user account and come back on the forum. i also believe that many users already have a few accounts that they use to bring up their likes and gang up on members. 

 

i like this new format. i admit i sometimes go off topic but generally i try to abide by the forum rules. AN is still a lot cleaner than teekbore.com and more professional than thaiger. i think that in general the users are friendly and overall respectful. i have often got good answers to my queries here. mike... i respect you much and dont worry... i think things are overall good here

No, it's not so easy to have multiple accounts on same electronic device. Try and you will be found out. I have the scars to prove it.

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I was around when the forum was much friendlier, but also quite strict and inflexible. Permanent banning was very common. The rotten wood forum was basically formed by many from here and, in the early days, they spent much of their energy spewing bile about ThaiVisa and the moderators.

With the new open, and more lenient, version of this forum, and the slow death of the Door, many of those members have returned and are largely welcome. Unfortunately, a few bring their old easily recognizable, closed minds, and personalities with them.

I don't know what the answer is to counter these types. It's not just a little forum problem, but a world-wide phenomenon. I blame the massive uprise in parental brain washing of children to believe in just one truth and reject any alternatives.

Love thy neighbor was replaced by hate all who are different!

 

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

Two things.

 

1. The post should be genuinely funny, otherwise it's trolling.

 

2. Not a reflection on you but I dislike the anonymity of the emoticons.

 

 

It helps me be more productive and improves my mood to ignore people who aren't going to debate in good faith, like actually comment on the substance of the post instead of endless personal jibes.

 

 

No, at least half of the posters I have in my list I don't see anymore.

Politics and religion, there's a good reason why these topics should be avoided at family get togethers. Strangers have no reason to keep it civil, they don't need to pretend.

19 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Politics and religion, there's a good reason why these topics should be avoided at family get togethers. Strangers have no reason to keep it civil, they don't need to pretend.

He used to just get the people he disagrees with kicked off the board, now he just ignores us. 

1 hour ago, Mike Lister said:

It's good that we ALL have different opinions and are allowed to express them, there is no right or wrong in that respect. 

 

I'm talking about misrepresentations of facts, false claims, etc.

 

An opinion is something different.

Apart from DIY, Motorbikes, and the worst joke thread, i tend to not bother so much nowadays when it comes to reading replies; too much squabbling and bigotry. It was more fun when there were more TEFLERS here, but it’s more like reading convos from ppl suffering from the hard of thinking at a Pattaya sports bar nowadays

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