Do you really need protein powder?

[vangrop]

58 minutes ago, bignok said:

1% sugar

2.7% carbs

 

Try again or go get an eye test

Man you also believe anything, maybe you are on the other additifs too, reading your excessif pseudo knowledge about this matter

[bignok]

1 minute ago, vangrop said:

Man you also believe anything, maybe you are on the other additifs too, reading your excessif pseudo knowledge about this matter

Additifs? Excessif?

 

Come on man. Please try harder to communicate. Better yet go try these actual products instead of posting nonsense.

 

I've been using this stuff for 2 years. The results are great.

 

If you want to troll me with nonsense that just says you are a critic who talks before actually trying something.

 

Thai food in general is full of additives that are not good for you without much of the good nutrients which these powders have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

Natural protein sources such as meat, eggs and fish are all that is required in a healthy diet. As a processed food, protein powders increase the risk of bloating, gas, and constipation.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Natural protein sources such as meat, eggs and fish are all that is required in a healthy diet. As a processed food, protein powders increase the risk of bloating, gas, and constipation.

It's the opposiite. You need solid food to stop the runs. You can't live on powders and water.

 

Excessive cheese causes constipation.

 

Fish is often high in mercury too.

[bbi1]

Nobody needs that chemical s*hit. Eat eggs and meat. That's all you need. Watch some stuff Eddie Abbew, a British former ex-bodybuilding champion & qualified nurse says about that sh*t.

Edited December 3, 2023 by bbi1

[bignok]

27 minutes ago, vangrop said:

Your doctor is entirely right. These stuff are simply overprised and don't add anything, it is purely marketing. Listen to the scientists and not The fake charlatans. Just eat more meat, chicken, eggs all rich in proteins.

Incorrect. His doctor is totally wrong. Powders work out 50% cheaper than meat. Powders are backed by science. Doctors only do 10 to 20 hours training in nutrition and die 5 to 10 years younger. Doctors are drug pushers. Why take nutrition advice from drug pushers who die younger? Doctors make money off sick people. 

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Nobody needs that chemical s*hit. Eat eggs and meat. That's all you need.

Do you use cooking oils? Drink alcohol? Breath in the smog? Drink coke? Msg?

 

The world is full of toxins.

 

 

[bbi1]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

 Doctors are drug pushers. Why take nutrition advice from drug pushers who die younger? Doctors make money off sick people. 

Yes, most doctors are drug pushers. But protein powder is just chemicals. Eating real food gives you all the protein you need.

Edited December 3, 2023 by bbi1

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Yes, most doctors are drug pushers. But protein powder is just chemicals. Eating real food gives you all the protein you need.

No it doesn't unless you eat 4 eggs plus steak daily. I can't do that. Powders give energy much faster. Solid food slows you down.

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

It's the opposiite. You need solid food to stop the runs. You can't live on powders and water.

 

Excessive cheese causes constipation.

 

Fish is often high in mercury too.

I eat lashings of cheese. That is counter-balanced with plenty of low carb, high fibre vegetables. Bamboo is great stuff. So is celery.

 

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/are-protein-shakes-healthy

 

The amount of mercury in fish depends on their position in the food chain. shark yes, sardines no. It's called bio-accumulation.

 

Let me suggest just because your diet is tolerated by a 40 - something, it does not necessarily mean an 80 yo will cope similarly. We all are different.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I eat lashings of cheese. That is counter-balanced with plenty of low carb, high fibre vegetables. Bamboo is great stuff. So is celery.

 

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/are-protein-shakes-healthy

 

The amount of mercury in fish depends on their position in the food chain. shark yes, sardines no. It's called bio-accumulation.

 

Let me suggest just because your diet is tolerated by a 40 - something, it does not necessarily mean an 80 yo will cope similarly. We all are different.

My dad is 80. He takes powders daily. Says he feels way better.

 

 

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

My dad is 80. He takes powders daily. Says he feels way better.

 

 

IMO he is poisoning himself with excessive protein. Check his eGFR.

Sorry, I forgot. That's something doctors do, and you are so much more qualified.

[bignok]

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO he is poisoning himself with excessive protein. Check his eGFR.

Sorry, I forgot. That's something doctors do, and you are so much more qualified.

I bet he is more fit than you. He told his dr, dr said no issues. Told him keep doing what you are doing. He exercises plenty so needs it .

 

Not all doctors are numpties on nutrition but most are. Unless you have kidney issues you can't overdose on protein.

 

I'd say bodybuilders know 100x more than most drs about nutrition. 

 

 

 

 

[bignok]

One of his friends is 75. Doesnt take powder. Fat and unfit. Couldnt walk 1km without being exhausted.

 

Enough said.

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, bignok said:

I bet he is more fit than you. He told his dr, dr said no issues. Told him keep doing what you are doing. He exercises plenty so needs it .

 

Not all doctors are numpties on nutrition but most are. Unless you have kidney issues you can't overdose on protein.

 

I'd say bodybuilders know 100x more than most drs about nutrition. 

 

 

 

 

My BP is normal, my pulse is usually mid fifties. I have been told by a physio I am in the top 10% of my age bracket in terms of physical fitness.

Maybe your father is fitter than me, that does not mean much. Blood pathology is a more scientific indicator.

I evolved my diet independently - no processed foods, as much meat, eggs,fish, cheeses and yoghurt as I want, low carb high fibre vegetables. Limited sugar intake, no alcohol.

It works for me, and I don't want or need artificial powders with BS advertising.

 

 

[bignok]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

My BP is normal, my pulse is usually mid fifties. I have been told by a physio I am in the top 10% of my age bracket in terms of physical fitness.

Maybe your father is fitter than me, that does not mean much. Blood pathology is a more scientific indicator.

I evolved my diet independently - no processed foods, as much meat, eggs,fish, cheeses and yoghurt as I want, low carb high fibre vegetables. Limited sugar intake, no alcohol.

It works for me, and I don't want or need artificial powders with BS advertising.

 

 

Can you walk 20km?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, bignok said:

Can you walk 20km?

I doubt it. I normally walk 4 -5 km on the golf course, take a cart for the other 9. Back in the day, I would play a 72 hole tournament over a weekend.

If you are trying to prove your father is fitter than me, be my guest. It's not as if I care.

For all you know, his intake of protein powder is simply a placebo effect.

[Sheryl]

4 hours ago, connda said:

If you are not a competition body-builder, then the protein you eat normally should suffice. 
 

 

Depends on your age and your diet

 

Dietary protein needs increase in old age at the same time that people are often taking less in

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 minute ago, Sheryl said:

 

Depends on your age and your diet

 

Dietary protein needs increase in old age at the same time that people are often taking less in

That's interesting. Maybe I have it back to front. Feel like powders and stuff make you feel a bit heavy and not healthy but at 58 maybe it's worth it. 

[bignok]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I doubt it. I normally walk 4 -5 km on the golf course, take a cart for the other 9. Back in the day, I would play a 72 hole tournament over a weekend.

If you are trying to prove your father is fitter than me, be my guest. It's not as if I care.

For all you know, his intake of protein powder is simply a placebo effect.

No you can feel it. We tested 2 powders. One powder had more amino acids, it provided more energy. So those extra AAs do make a difference.

[Lacessit]

Just now, bignok said:

No you can feel it. We tested 2 powders. One powder had more amino acids, it provided more energy. So those extra AAs do make a difference.

You have an interval level measurement of the increased energy you are getting? What meter did you use?

[save the frogs]

7 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Even the specialist doctor I saw in Australia told me the same ,he was a endocrinologist , why you taking these chemicals he asked 

Just eat eggs and meat he said 

 

I agree that's it's best to get protein from food.

The protein powders are "processed", maybe heated to extremely high temperatures when produced? Not sure ... there are mixed reviews out there. Some people think they're healthy, but I think it's best to get protein from food.

 

Also, eggs and meat will have many other nutrients that the protein powders don't have.

 

Also, COLLAGEN powder maybe is necessary to supplement as it's an essential nutrient and hard to get from food. 

 

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You have an interval level measurement of the increased energy you are getting? What meter did you use?

4 hours of exercise feel ok  vs 3 hrs of exercise tired. 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, bignok said:

4 hours of exercise feel ok  vs 3 hrs of exercise tired. 

Subjective measurement.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Subjective measurement.

If you drank 15 beers in 3 hours would you need a lab to tell you that you feel drunk?

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

If you drank 15 beers in 3 hours would you need a lab to tell you that you feel drunk?

What I feel would be irrelevant. What a breathalyzer says would not.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

What I feel would be irrelevant. What a breathalyzer says would not.

But you know if something works or not. Another simple method is just take a teaspoon of salt in water before exercise. Cheap basic electrolyte hit no sugar.

[bbi1]

2 hours ago, bignok said:

I'd say bodybuilders know 100x more than most drs about nutrition. 

 

 

 

 

Ok, so you should watch watch & listen to Eddie Abbew, a British former ex-bodybuilding champion & qualified nurse who says that protein supplements are all sh*t rubbish and you can easily get it from food, which he does.

Edited December 3, 2023 by bbi1

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Ok, so you should watch watch & listen to Eddie Abbew, a British former ex-bodybuilding champion & qualified nurse who says that protein supplements are all sh*t rubbish and you can easily get it from food, which he does.

So thousands of others are wrong?

 

Great argument.

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

But you know if something works or not. Another simple method is just take a teaspoon of salt in water before exercise. Cheap basic electrolyte hit no sugar.

LOL, you won't drink expensive electrolytes, but you'll ingest protein powders in preference to natural stuff?