Phulublub Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: I think most western f-rangs are at least cultural Christians which doesn't require believing in anything, going to church, or wearing magic underwear, as the case may be. What is a "cultural Christian"? Surely, to be a Christian (cultural or otherwise) you need to believe in Christ...otherwise you are agnostic, or atheist. PH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Phulublub said: What is a "cultural Christian"? Surely, to be a Christian (cultural or otherwise) you need to believe in Christ...otherwise you are agnostic, or atheist. PH No you don't. When you grow up in a majority Christian country, it's likely that even if you're a different religion, you will be at least partly a cultural Christian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: Please answer my specific question in a written format and not via a video! Your video does not give a specific answer to my specific question! Persistent little bugger. Another version: 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Morch said: Can always try to self medicate with Adam Sandler's Hanukkah songs.... I like something even cornier than Adam Sandler if that's even possible. The Maccabeats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phulublub Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 38 minutes ago, Jingthing said: No you don't. When you grow up in a majority Christian country, it's likely that even if you're a different religion, you will be at least partly a cultural Christian. Again I ask, what is a "cultural Christian"? PH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Phulublub said: Again I ask, what is a "cultural Christian"? PH Generally someone who grew up in a majority Christian culture who is not very religious (or at all) but still relates to a lot of it. Probably more common for Jews to understand this concept (as Jewish is both an ethnicity and a religion). Cultural Christians - Wikipedia If you're going to be terminally literal and reject this, that's fine, I could care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woof999 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Not religious in the slightest, but I don't mind the music and I'm happy to partake in some of the traditional stuff, mostly because I was brought up with it. Quite happy to be a little two-faced / hypocritical about the lack of religion and the "real?" meaning of Christmas, although it turned into nothing more than a commercial exploitative exercise for most businesses decades ago. The best thing about Christmas time though is that it's pretty much the ONLY time of the year, leading into new year, that the majority of my customers don't work, so I can usually take a break for at least a few days. Christmas music doesn't bother me at all, kind of gets me in the mood, unless they start it before late November / early December. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Jingthing said: Persistent little bugger. Deleted! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsallmine68 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 23 hours ago, Dirk Z said: We live in a Buddhist country, but you wouldn't believe it if you see all the Christmas items around you: shop assistants and waiters with Christmas hats, Christmas trees, decoration etc. and last but not least the endless Christmas music in restaurants, shopping malls, public transport, resorts, virtually everywhere. Thai seem to think we like it or maybe they like it themselves. My question is: who enjoys the omnipresent Christmas music, both the traditional and the Christmas hits? Or on the other hand: who is relieved or maybe even sad when it's all over again? Go to a Muslim country and see the Xmas decoration such as Qatar. Reasons for the events , Get the consumers money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 23 hours ago, Dirk Z said: We live in a Buddhist country, but you wouldn't believe it if you see all the Christmas items around you: shop assistants and waiters with Christmas hats, Christmas trees, decoration etc. and last but not least the endless Christmas music in restaurants, shopping malls, public transport, resorts, virtually everywhere. Thai seem to think we like it or maybe they like it themselves. My question is: who enjoys the omnipresent Christmas music, both the traditional and the Christmas hits? Or on the other hand: who is relieved or maybe even sad when it's all over again? i love this question .This morning I went to Lotus over 8,000 miles from my hometown .Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer was playing in English -pretty cool. Before 2016 i would play Xmas music endlessly have a big xmas eve party with the family then a huge Xmas dinner . I would drive out to Rose Tree Park and look at the lights on the last day they were up. Last few years very little xmas celebration but now in Thailand with granddaughter trying to get some shrimp cocktail , lasagna , fish , beer and a small party for Xmas eve.. Was that too much of an answer? I find it strange how much the Thais seems to celebrate /promote Christmas but Ireally like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Sad to see that nobody on here (the thread is about Christmas music) has so much as mentioned Handel's Messiah, perhaps the most wonderful piece of music ever written. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Name Hidden Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I’m not religious but I like it. Reminds me of good times when I was a kid, and it’s pretty amazing you can walk into a store in Thailand and hear music about a guy that died over 2000 years ago. It’s mostly Santa and jingle bells of course, but I’ve heard Silent Night. ‘At home I’ll put on Mariah Carey and Bing Crosby, and the Jimi Hendrix version of Little Drummer Boy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 2:02 PM, Dirk Z said: We live in a Buddhist country, but you wouldn't believe it if you see all the Christmas items around you: shop assistants and waiters with Christmas hats, Christmas trees, decoration etc. and last but not least the endless Christmas music in restaurants, shopping malls, public transport, resorts, virtually everywhere. Thai seem to think we like it or maybe they like it themselves. My question is: who enjoys the omnipresent Christmas music, both the traditional and the Christmas hits? Or on the other hand: who is relieved or maybe even sad when it's all over again? I enjoy it. Gets me in a holiday mood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisKC Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 23 hours ago, Jingthing said: Not sure what you mean. There are very few Thai Christians so it's a fact that Christmas here has nothing to do with Christianity for the vast majority of Thais. Most Atheists "do" Christmas but without the religious nonsense! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 19 hours ago, herfiehandbag said: In a strange way, treating Christmas as a secular festival, with the decorations, parties, treats and gifts but not really acknowledging the religious significance is more honest than the Western approach of drinking, pigging out and punch ups on Christmas Eve, culminating in pools of vomit and bawling half remembered carols at Midnight Mass? As the carol had it, "the hopes and fears of all the years are met in you tonight". If you don't believe in it, don't pretend to once a year. For most Thais it is simply a marker for New Year. Discuss! I don't think your dis functional family represents most others. Especially the puke. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I've been to Thai Christian's ENORMOUS weddings. And to some Catholic services several times in BKK. Church is always packed. But some posters live on line / in google for all their facts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Real Name Hidden said: I’m not religious but I like it. Reminds me of good times when I was a kid, and it’s pretty amazing you can walk into a store in Thailand and hear music about a guy that died over 2000 years ago. It’s mostly Santa and jingle bells of course, but I’ve heard Silent Night. ‘At home I’ll put on Mariah Carey and Bing Crosby, and the Jimi Hendrix version of Little Drummer Boy. And if the kids start to act up put them in a room play "ring Christmas bells " loudly and they will all behave afterwards. And I never knew how religious that tune was until recently but it's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Real Name Hidden said: I’m not religious but I like it. Reminds me of good times when I was a kid, and it’s pretty amazing you can walk into a store in Thailand and hear music about a guy that died over 2000 years ago. It’s mostly Santa and jingle bells of course, but I’ve heard Silent Night. ‘At home I’ll put on Mariah Carey and Bing Crosby, and the Jimi Hendrix version of Little Drummer Boy. I have many that i like but Stevie wonder is my top choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 20 hours ago, riclag said: I always think of the meaning of Christmas, the birth of the Christ child and Im sure millions of others do too! And many more millions do not! Was Jesus really born on Christmas Day? The birth of 'the Christ child' and the death of millions of turkeys. 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 17 hours ago, Jingthing said: Generally someone who grew up in a majority Christian culture who is not very religious (or at all) but still relates to a lot of it. Probably more common for Jews to understand this concept (as Jewish is both an ethnicity and a religion). Cultural Christians - Wikipedia If you're going to be terminally literal and reject this, that's fine, I could care less. The English saying is 'COULDN'T care less' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Real Name Hidden said: I’m not religious but I like it. Reminds me of good times when I was a kid, and it’s pretty amazing you can walk into a store in Thailand and hear music about a guy that died over 2000 years ago. It’s mostly Santa and jingle bells of course, but I’ve heard Silent Night. ‘At home I’ll put on Mariah Carey and Bing Crosby, and the Jimi Hendrix version of Little Drummer Boy. Yeah the dead guy. The elephant in the room. I hear he was a dark skinned Jewish Palestinian perhaps asexual or non binary fella. Woke from the dead. Many are grateful. The reason for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted December 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, KannikaP said: The English saying is 'COULDN'T care less' I could care less how the "English" say it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KannikaP Posted December 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2023 30 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I could care less how the "English" say it. Just think about the meaning of how you say it. If you COULDN'T care less, then that is on the bottom rung of the caring ladder. If you COULD care less, then you have a bit more care left in you. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 8:02 AM, Dirk Z said: My question is: who enjoys the omnipresent Christmas music, both the traditional and the Christmas hits? Or on the other hand: who is relieved or maybe even sad when it's all over again? Please let the children's carousel owner in the local shopping mall aware of that "Jingle Bells" is a Xmas-tune, and not something to be player all year round, while "Brother Jones, Are You Sleeping" is not the right choice for Xmas. It seems like the turning device only has that two tunes stored in the music-library. In December Jingle Bells would however be the right choice, in my modest opinion... The pan-flute souvenir-seller walking on the beach in front of my house also plays the first part of Jingle Bells, unfortunately he doesn't seem to know other songs for pan flute... As you say, OP, it's a country were Xmas has no tradition the farang-way, so hard to know what is music especially for that season. I presume that we foreigners have the same problem with seasonal Thai music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, KannikaP said: Just think about the meaning of how you say it. Hilarious that you think that I haven't. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, blazes said: Sad to see that nobody on here (the thread is about Christmas music) has so much as mentioned Handel's Messiah, perhaps the most wonderful piece of music ever written. I prefer Little Saint Nick by The Beach Boys. 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 1:10 PM, Jingthing said: Not sure what you mean. There are very few Thai Christians so it's a fact that Christmas here has nothing to do with Christianity for the vast majority of Thais. TBH the Christmas décor & music has nothing to do with Christmas almost all over the world - even in the Christian countries. Everything has been commercialised. But I enjoy the traditional Christmas music any time of the year! ...the Glühwein at the Viennese Christmas markets! Beautiful ambience. Who doesn't enjoy the traditional food? Christmas Stollen (Christstollen), Cristmas cake and of course a sumptuous Christmas dinner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogNo1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Wow! What a lack of Christmas cheer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 10:16 PM, Phulublub said: Again I ask, what is a "cultural Christian"? PH "Hatched, matched and despatched"? Christening, wedding and funeral. Otherwise no involvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy one Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Check out Kevin Bloody Wilson for a collection of fine Xmass songs. One of my favourites is " I saw Mummy sucking Santa Clause " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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