TM30 Required for Tourist Extension

[Serenity_Now]

SO my neighbor in the guesthouse was telling me about his recent visit to CM IO

 

He was on a 60 day tourist visa and was asked for a TM30 to get a 30 day extension.

Is this a new thing in the past a receipt of accommodation was enough, some have suggested IO's even ask for a key but as many pointed out most guest house and hotel do not label their keys anymore as security, so its just a random set of keys in the street if someone finds them.

 

Now he is going for a visa run and the bus company is saying he must bring a TM30 for that also he is just doing an IN and OUT to get a 30 day visa waiver on arrival

 

I may also do a 30 day extension in CM to my 30 day VOA but it seems strange that Immigration may be asking for TM30's 
Did he just get unlucky and get a IO who did not know the difference between certain parts of his anatomy?

 

Am I going to have to aske GH for a TM30 instead of just my usual receipt of accommodation.

 

Is this the Thai kneejerk to doing away with their valued TM6 Arrival/Dep card?

 

Thanks

[Liquorice]

It's always been a requirement to file a TM30 for aliens.

 

In your case, it should be the responsibility of the guest house to file it.
Ask them for a copy of proof of filing.

 

Without a TM30 on file, you may be refused services, such as a 30 day extension, which was probably the case with your friend. He should have requested the guest house filed one.

 

Immigration Act.

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned.

Edited January 25 by Liquorice

[DrJack54]

20 minutes ago, Serenity_Now said:

He was on a 60 day tourist visa and was asked for a TM30 to get a 30 day extension.

Perfectly normal.

Also TM30 has nothing to do with border bounce.

 

20 minutes ago, Serenity_Now said:

I may also do a 30 day extension in CM to my 30 day VOA but it seems strange that Immigration may be asking for TM30's 

Perfectly normal for immigration to require a TM30..

BTW you didn't have a VOA you have a 30 day visa exempt stamp.

Some basic copies of your passport pages along with 1900b and TM30 often required for your 30 day extension 

[thai006]

Chiang Mai is always probleme.  I done my at Chiang rai and I did not give any tm30  just the adress of the hotel I was staying 

[Serenity_Now]

28 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Perfectly normal for immigration to require a TM30..

BTW you didn't have a VOA you have a 30 day visa exempt stamp.

Some basic copies of your passport pages along with 1900b and TM30 often required for your 30 day extension 

 

36 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Immigration Act.

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned.

Thankyou both

 

Ive not been back since covid
so pre covid they were making the move to online registration as everyone had a phone so no excuses
but the usual was each ghouse hotel filled in the relevant numbers of tm6 and name passport num 
stuck it in the postbox outside for immigration to come along and collect
so now that tm30 is done online by all ghouses hotels.

So I do know it is the owners responsibility to register all guests

I just find it unusual to actually have to bring along a physical form when its only tourist visa, so that is a during covid or post covid adjustment to the system

BUT to be asked for a TM30 by bus operator to border seems like its wrong because you are leaving the country and re-entering.
Maybe a new thing for you guys to check up on because its a re entry 
It is possible if Immigration want to give you a hard time on Entry to insist to see a booking of hotel and return or onward flight leg.


Done plenty of border hops and extensions to either 60 day visa or 30 day exempt
never asked for TM30 once or twice receipt from Ghouse 
1900 baht a few funny sized photos only available at your nearest IO 
and photocopy also situated at your friendly IO
job done

Again thanks for the update requirements
 

[bbi1]

1 hour ago, Serenity_Now said:

SO my neighbor in the guesthouse was telling me about his recent visit to CM IO

 

He was on a 60 day tourist visa and was asked for a TM30 to get a 30 day extension.

Is this a new thing in the past a receipt of accommodation was enough, some have suggested IO's even ask for a key but as many pointed out most guest house and hotel do not label their keys anymore as security, so its just a random set of keys in the street if someone finds them.

 

Now he is going for a visa run and the bus company is saying he must bring a TM30 for that also he is just doing an IN and OUT to get a 30 day visa waiver on arrival

 

I may also do a 30 day extension in CM to my 30 day VOA but it seems strange that Immigration may be asking for TM30's 
Did he just get unlucky and get a IO who did not know the difference between certain parts of his anatomy?

 

Am I going to have to aske GH for a TM30 instead of just my usual receipt of accommodation.

 

Is this the Thai kneejerk to doing away with their valued TM6 Arrival/Dep card?

 

Thanks

Nothing to do with TM6, which is still needed for any land crossings.

 

TM30 have been around for soooooooooooooo many years if you wanted to extend. Soooooo many years prior to Covid. I recall needing to do them in 2017 onwards for extensions.

[Serenity_Now]

I really wanted to add an edit into my post but cannot 
so

For Immigration to request a tm30 seems a redundancy

Perhaps their data base design is deeply flawed
You see databases work in fields name number d.o.b that type of thing

so if i pop into Immigration for any reason they pop my name passport number into their system and all my details should appear
my entry into the country
where i am staying
have i moved have i been registered at more than one pace indeed an entire history of my entry and where i have been and where i should be at that point in time. 
The system was designed to track

More than not its perhaps not a great system many government databases are never what they should be and i am not singling out Thailand many western nations also
Except I think the USA where they now dont even stamp your passport except on initial entry border jumps while your ESTA is valid will not see another stamp
No EXIT stamp either the Immigration in USA is tied into passenger data from all airlines leaving USA.

To ask for a TM30 or even a receipt is now a redundancy in the Thai system.

[Serenity_Now]

Minor Update DrJack54
I know that you are well versed in all visa issues and not sure if this is indeed a new thing 
Neighbor checked with van organiser / border run he was told TM30 was indeed requisite 

not sure if maybe its a mistake but he already has a TM30 printed out to take on SUNDAY

Much like say four years ago when they really tightened up on visa hops the van booking  agent studied your passport to say if they thought you would be allowed a border run.
These drivers/agents do it all the time they know more than us sometimes.

I will update the thread as to whether he required it at the border, although we are assuming its a exit / entry thing they are saying because you are basically out in they are thinking you are returning to same address at least that is how i understand it so we await updated news.

Edited January 26 by Serenity_Now

[CartagenaWarlock]

I'm not sure why TM30 is a requirement for entry into Thailand. It's required in many offices for any type of service at immigration offices. 

Edited January 26 by CartagenaWarlock

[CartagenaWarlock]

20 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

Did he just get unlucky and get a IO who did not know the difference between certain parts of his anatomy?

He knows that people who had to flee their homeland to take refuge in Thailand for a comfortable life must bow to every demand of the IO and genuflect before them. This is a way to remind them of their place in Thai society because their own society is not able to provide them a comfortable living. 

[Tropicalevo]

22 minutes ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

I'm not sure why TM30 is a requirement for entry into Thailand. It's required in many offices for any type of service at immigration offices. 

It is probably for leaving Thailand.

If you do not have a TM 30 you have broken the immigration law.

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

It is probably for leaving Thailand.

If you do not have a TM 30 you have broken the immigration law.

No

[Enoon]

4 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

It is probably for leaving Thailand.

If you do not have a TM 30 you have broken the immigration law.

 

I do not have one, I have broken no law.

 

My house mistress, with whom I lodge, has failed, as usual, to notify Immigration within the recommended time frame.

 

It is she that is at fault.

 

When we go to immigration to extend my SETV it is me, as usual, who will cough up the fine on her behalf........first thing, as usual, when we arrive there.

 

She will then do the report and I will get a copy of the "Receipt of Notification" stapled in my passport.

 

After that I'll do the extension.

 

Last time there wasn't any fine......nice surprise.

 

The officer said there would be an 800baht fine the next time if the report wasn't done again, which wouldn't be so bad considering that previously I have had to pay more than that.......I think it was 1900baht before.

 

Since the last extension  I obtained a new SETV in Laos (a couple of weeks ago) and mistress has not reported me......we'll see how it actually goes, in a few weeks time, when I extend again.

 

A person staying in an hotel or guest house, or lodging with their mistress friend, is not the person who is liable for the report.

 

 

[Enoon]

6 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

Minor Update DrJack54
I know that you are well versed in all visa issues and not sure if this is indeed a new thing 
Neighbor checked with van organiser / border run he was told TM30 was indeed requisite 

not sure if maybe its a mistake but he already has a TM30 printed out to take on SUNDAY

Much like say four years ago when they really tightened up on visa hops the van booking  agent studied your passport to say if they thought you would be allowed a border run.
These drivers/agents do it all the time they know more than us sometimes.

I will update the thread as to whether he required it at the border, although we are assuming its a exit / entry thing they are saying because you are basically out in they are thinking you are returning to same address at least that is how i understand it so we await updated news.

 

I left Thailand on 5th January (overland/river) to obtain an SETV in Laos.

 

The night of 4th January I removed my TM30 receipt from my passport and started using it as a bookmark.

 

Nobody at Thai Immigration (Departure) made any mention of the absence of TM30 evidence in my passport.

 

 

[Tropicalevo]

6 minutes ago, Enoon said:

A person staying in an hotel or guest house, or lodging with their mistress friend, is not the person who is liable for the report.

Technically you are correct. It probably depends on the local IO.

Friends here on Samui did not have a TM30 report.

They were 'arrested' and escorted to immigration. Not the house master.

[Tropicalevo]

2 minutes ago, Enoon said:

Nobody at Thai Immigration (Departure) made any mention of the absence of TM30 evidence in my passport.

But you will be on their database when they enter your name.

I do online reporting. I never carry a TM 30 report.

[Caldera]

6 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

Neighbor checked with van organiser / border run he was told TM30 was indeed requisite 

 

If true, that's just a "local rule" of that particular border crossing to allow a quick out-in border bounce. It's obviously a good idea to follow whatever guidance the border run company provides you with, even if this particular rule sounds nonsensical. 

[Maestro]

On 1/25/2024 at 11:13 AM, Serenity_Now said:

...Is this the Thai kneejerk to doing away with their valued TM6 Arrival/Dep card?

 

No.

[Serenity_Now]

3 hours ago, Caldera said:

If true, that's just a "local rule" of that particular border crossing to allow a quick out-in border bounce. It's obviously a good idea to follow whatever guidance the border run company provides you with, even if this particular rule sounds nonsensical. 

very true they do it everyday or other day 
could just be local too as  thai006 says never asked for tm30 at IO

so we stay informed and dot the I's and cross the T's

 

On 1/25/2024 at 12:00 PM, thai006 said:

Chiang Mai is always probleme.  I done my at Chiang rai and I did not give any tm30  just the adress of the hotel I was staying 

 

[Serenity_Now]

update:

 

looks like the bus/agency company got it wrong

 

TM30  was not presented and was not requested simple out in though new format tm6 was required to be filled in and stapled into passport 

its a much smaller size so fits inside less chance of it getting lost

 

1900 for bus
1800 for Laos visa

11/12hr round trip 

 

 

[orchis]

Bangkok immigration at IT Square Laksi has asked me twice.
You can ask your GH/hotel to print it, 
if you stay with friends they register online and print from there.

Edited January 29 by orchis

[pantsonfire]

QUick question, if i was to stay in hotel 1-2 nights then go live with my GF for the remainder of my SETV.  Would i get a TM30?  Or would hotel file this?   Then after if i want to do a border bounce, how can i get the TM30 from hotel?

[Serenity_Now]

3 hours ago, pantsonfire said:

QUick question, if i was to stay in hotel 1-2 nights then go live with my GF for the remainder of my SETV.  Would i get a TM30?  Or would hotel file this?   Then after if i want to do a border bounce, how can i get the TM30 from hotel?

the hotel registers you with immigration you dont get the tm30 unless requested but if you are not staying there you cannot ask them


you do not need a tm30 for a border bounce
you may require one for for an extension dependent on location/immigration office 
if you go for extension and are staying with gf
someone else will have to answer that 

[pantsonfire]

7 hours ago, Serenity_Now said:

the hotel registers you with immigration you dont get the tm30 unless requested but if you are not staying there you cannot ask them


you do not need a tm30 for a border bounce
you may require one for for an extension dependent on location/immigration office 
if you go for extension and are staying with gf
someone else will have to answer that 

So if i stay at hotel first, then go with live with my gf.  I wont have issues with extension as TM30 already done at hotel?

[Serenity_Now]

6 hours ago, pantsonfire said:

So if i stay at hotel first, then go with live with my gf.  I wont have issues with extension as TM30 already done at hotel?

i cant say but  think you would as its dated current dates will apply
so any tm30 you have will be out of date

as i stated others will have to answer that question for you ask DrJack54