Surge in antisemitism in UK worst for 40 years

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Fine. The UK police haven't detained me yet. And, although I didn't read every word in their very long definition of "antisemitism," I did agree with everything I did read, but I've been over and over all this before.

So, if you "still couldn't care less about them," why do you keep posting about them? If it's because you think you need to have the last word on this to "win" the discussion, I'll let you do that. If you post on this subject again, I will not respond. Then you can believe you "won." 
 

Gawd........... I care more about the topic where the UK definition is used rather than yours. Talking about topic:

 

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's much nicer posting on here when one doesn't have to see the insults from posters with nothing worthwhile to contribute.

You're hilarious! Everyone knows you read it all anyway. Do you really think you're fooling anyone?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I do agree that being anti-Semitic is widespread and serious.

 

Using the term "antisemitic" to refer to someone or something that is ONLY anti-Jewish but not anti-Arab is anti-Semitic.

If you can understand the sentence above, you've got the gist of what I've been saying.

 

  you need to learn what words mean and to stop making up what words mean 

[Cory1848]

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

It's okay to use "antisemite" to refer to those who hate Jews, but that's not the only meaning of the term. "Antisemitism" refers to hatred of BOTH Jews and Arabs.

- "antI' means "against";
- "Semitism" is a term in which "Semite" is the base. Here is the online definition of "Semite":

"a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs." - Oxford Language Dictionary - define semite - Search (bing.com)

It's like calling Whites who hate Blacks, "racists." That's true. But "racist" could also be used to describe Blacks who hate Whites, or Whites who hate Asians, etc.

In plain English, “antisemitism” means hatred of Jews. You’re completely obfuscating the matter by talking of Semitic languages, etc., which is an entirely different thing (does “antisemitism” then also mean hatred of Ethiopians?). Don’t get all tangled up in semantics -- trust the dictionary; trust more than a hundred years of conventional usage. You don’t determine these things; half a billion native English speakers do (collectively).

[WDSmart]

9 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

In plain English, “antisemitism” means hatred of Jews. You’re completely obfuscating the matter by talking of Semitic languages, etc., which is an entirely different thing (does “antisemitism” then also mean hatred of Ethiopians?). Don’t get all tangled up in semantics -- trust the dictionary; trust more than a hundred years of conventional usage. You don’t determine these things; half a billion native English speakers do (collectively).

I've stated here many times that I will accept the definition of "antisemitism" on these Forums to only refer to Jews. I will not use that term on these Forums myself but will use the term "anti-Jewish" or something similar, which specifies more clearly the type of people the term references. The term "anti-Semitism," for me, includes Arabs and a few other North African tribes whose language is classified as "Semitic." I've said I won't use that term here either, but I will continue to use it in my other non-AseanNow-Forum writings. 

[retarius]

21 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

In plain English, “antisemitism” means hatred of Jews. You’re completely obfuscating the matter by talking of Semitic languages, etc., which is an entirely different thing (does “antisemitism” then also mean hatred of Ethiopians?). Don’t get all tangled up in semantics -- trust the dictionary; trust more than a hundred years of conventional usage. You don’t determine these things; half a billion native English speakers do (collectively).

No he's not obfuscating. He's explaining to the less well educated what the actual meanings of the words are. 

[ozimoron]

It's very sad that this is happening but hardly surprising.

[retarius]

On 2/16/2024 at 10:32 PM, Bday Prang said:

there will never be peace on this planet as long as the medieval death cult of islam is allowed to continue, one would have to be retarded or blind to think otherwise. Time to get rid, once and for all

You are simply full of hate. And the term 'muzzers' that you have used I n other posts betrays you as a racist and a bigot. 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, retarius said:

No he's not obfuscating. He's explaining to the less well educated what the actual meanings of the words are. 

 

   He has been claiming that Anti Semitism doesn't mean a hatred of Jews

That there have been many Holocausts and not just the Jews

That Israel shouldn't be a Country for Jews

Can you see a pattern emerging here ?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   He has been claiming that Anti Semitism doesn't mean a hatred of Jews

That there have been many Holocausts and not just the Jews

That Israel shouldn't be a Country for Jews

Can you see a pattern emerging here ?

 

Wasn't Israel founded as a secular nation?

 

Benjamin Netanyahu comes from the tendency in Zionism that was as secular as the socialists but that was inclined to support relatively free markets and, above all, a vigorous and, if necessary, aggressive treatment of Israel’s enemies. The difference was that the left assumed that there could be a political settlement with neighboring states, while the right assumed that this was unlikely and could be attained only through a crushing defeat. Both shared the idea of Israel as a state at or near war, but one thought this condition permanent, and the other was trying to craft a solution.

 

https://geopoliticalfutures.com/israel-and-the-emerging-crisis-of-the-secular-and-the-religious/

[WDSmart]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   He has been claiming that Anti Semitism doesn't mean a hatred of Jews

That there have been many Holocausts and not just the Jews

That Israel shouldn't be a Country for Jews

Can you see a pattern emerging here ?

Your first three points are untrue, but I agree with the fourth one.
1 - I have NEVER claimed that anti-Semitism doesn't mean a hatred of Jews. It does. What I have claimed is that the word "anti-Semitism" implies the hatred of all peoples whose language is classified as Semite. That would be the Jews, Arabs, and some North African tribes.
2 - I have never posted anything about the Holocaust and certainly never insinuated that there have been many of them.

3 - I have never said that Israel should not be a country for the Jews. I have said that the Palestinian Muslim Arabs should also have their own country. That's why I have been recommending a two-state solution.
4 - I do agree, however, after reading so many of your posts, and especially this one, that a pattern certainly has been emerging.

[Cory1848]

28 minutes ago, retarius said:

No he's not obfuscating. He's explaining to the less well educated what the actual meanings of the words are. 

The “less well educated”? The “actual meanings” of words? I’m sorry, but you’re no linguist; in fact, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. People can make up new meanings for words all they want, but that doesn’t make them “educated” -- it just means that they’re stubborn for no good reason.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Your first three points are untrue, but I agree with the fourth one.
1 - I have NEVER claimed that anti-Semitism doesn't mean a hatred of Jews. It does. What I have claimed is that the word "anti-Semitism" implies the hatred of all peoples whose language is classified as Semite. That would be the Jews, Arabs, and some North African tribes.
2 - I have never posted anything about the Holocaust and certainly never insinuated that there have been many of them.

3 - I have never said that Israel should not be a country for the Jews. I have said that the Palestinian Muslim Arabs should also have their own country. That's why I have been recommending a two-state solution.
4 - I do agree, however, after reading so many of your posts, and especially this one, that a pattern certainly has been emerging.

 

   The meaning of Anti-Semitism means a hatred of Jews , if you add other groups to the list, then the word no longer means a hatred of Jews, the words means a hatred of people from a certain area .

   Fair enough it was gamma globin going on abbot there being numerous holocausts .

If you want a two state solution, then why don't you criticise the Palestinians , because they are the only people who don't want a two state solution . As you support a group that wants to wipe Israel from the map , then you must support that ideology as well, otherwise you would be supportive of them 

[Cory1848]

40 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I've stated here many times that I will accept the definition of "antisemitism" on these Forums to only refer to Jews. I will not use that term on these Forums myself but will use the term "anti-Jewish" or something similar, which specifies more clearly the type of people the term references. The term "anti-Semitism," for me, includes Arabs and a few other North African tribes whose language is classified as "Semitic." I've said I won't use that term here either, but I will continue to use it in my other non-AseanNow-Forum writings. 

OK, whatever. You can make up your own meanings for words if you wish; there’s no law against it. The few other people I know who make the same specious argument you’re stubbornly insisting on do so specifically to water down the meaning of antisemitism, and thus cast doubt on its very existence. You may think that what you’re doing sounds clever, but in fact it’s insidious.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, retarius said:

No he's not obfuscating. He's explaining to the less well educated what the actual meanings of the words are. 

Oxford dictionary knows better and there you will see his "more educated" fake definition is WRONG.

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Oxford dictionary knows better and there you will see his "more educated" fake definition is WRONG.

 

The OD says antisemitism is this and only this: hate towards or unfair treatment of Jewish people.

 

Nothing to do with any nationality or politics.

 

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-semitism

 

 

 

[steven100]

deleted .. to much profanity ..

 

 

[Wobblybob]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's much nicer posting on here when one doesn't have to see the insults from posters with nothing worthwhile to contribute.

Why do you have to keep reminding everyone that you are so childish and incapable in engaging in constructive conversation that you need to block everyone. Nobody insults you and more to the point nobody is interested.

 

You must have been a hoot in the military, 'excuse me sir, the RSM has just raised his voice to me'.

[WDSmart]

8 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Does this rise in antisemitism also include hatred against Arabs and Muslims? 

So, eight hours ago, I posted the question above, and ever since, there has been a lot of discussion, some heated, about the definition of "antisemitism." That was not my purpose in asking this question, so I'll rephrase it and ask it again...

Don't you think this rise in anti-Jewish sentiments also includes a rise in anti-Arab sentiments?

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, steven100 said:

a little OT .. but under the same principle .....and rightly so .....   taxpayers are fed up with the way the system works ...

 

and everything this guy say's is absolutely correct  ........

 

 

 

 

 

   What does that have to do with the topic ?

I had to switch if off after 4 seconds when the the F word became too prolific 

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Why do you have to keep reminding everyone that you are so childish and incapable in engaging in constructive conversation that you need to block everyone. Nobody insults you and more to the point nobody is interested.

 

You must have been a hoot in the military, 'excuse me sir, the RSM has just raised his voice to me'.

I consider your post above addressed to thaibeachlover as insulting. You called him "childish" and said "nobody is interested" in his posts. 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

So, eight hours ago, I posted the question above, and ever since, there has been a lot of discussion, some heated, about the definition of "antisemitism." That was not my purpose in asking this question, so I'll rephrase it and ask it again...

Don't you think this rise in anti-Jewish sentiments also includes a rise in anti-Arab sentiments?

 

   Are you asking whether the title of this thread includes any anti Arab attacks ?

Whether the rise in anti Semitism in the UK includes attacks on non Jews   ?

No it doesn't , it is solely about Jews 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I consider your post above addressed to thaibeachlover as insulting. You called him "childish" and said "nobody is interested" in his posts. 

 

   Its not an insult though , if people act in an immature way , its quite reasonable to state that they are acting childish .

   You both need to stop getting so upset and offended by any slightest criticism of you 

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I consider your post above addressed to thaibeachlover as insulting. You called him "childish" and said "nobody is interested" in his posts. 

To quote Sally Solomon "just because you're a nobody that doesn't mean you're not a somebody".

Incidentally what do you call someone that has blocked most of the forum and then persistently goes on and on about it. 1. A bore. 2. Childish.

 

 

 

 

[steven100]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What does that have to do with the topic ?

I had to switch if off after 4 seconds when the the F word became too prolific 

yes ... I wish he didn't use the profanity so much also.  😄    go and get an iced tea ....

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

So, eight hours ago, I posted the question above, and ever since, there has been a lot of discussion, some heated, about the definition of "antisemitism." That was not my purpose in asking this question, so I'll rephrase it and ask it again...

Don't you think this rise in anti-Jewish sentiments also includes a rise in anti-Arab sentiments?

The topic is the highest antisemitism for 40 years in the UK against JEWS not Arabs, if you want to discuss islamaphobia or similar then create a topic on it rather than dilute the seriousness of this one regarding the Jews being victimized in the UK

[steven100]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What does that have to do with the topic ?

I had to switch if off after 4 seconds when the the F word became too prolific 

yes ... i just cancelled it .... if he just spoke normal without the swear it would be ok.   Lol

[Bkk Brian]

On 2/17/2024 at 1:51 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps they support israeli actions in  Palestine. Is there any equivalence of the Jews for Peace movement as seen in the US. I have not seen any such reported.

Note you're still prolifically and deliberately spelling Israel with a small i. How mature of you to troll Israel as such with every post you've made for the last few months

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Note you're still prolifically and deliberately spelling Israel with a small i. How mature of you to troll Israel as such with every post you've made for the last few months

Childish?🥴

[retarius]

1 hour ago, Cory1848 said:

The “less well educated”? The “actual meanings” of words? I’m sorry, but you’re no linguist; in fact, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. People can make up new meanings for words all they want, but that doesn’t make them “educated” -- it just means that they’re stubborn for no good reason.

As I was saying the less well educated.....