Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Anyone that thinks the deal was put together with only Egypt, Hamas  and Qatar involved ,  ignoring the fact that the CIA director was in Doha at the time and was completely unaware of any discussions   and all the CIA listening stations were turned off  is  delusional

You can think what you want. Allegations are two a penny. Evidence or the US stating this is nowhere.

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You can think what you want. Allegations are two a penny. Evidence or the US stating this is nowhere.

Israeli officials claim the Biden administration knew about the latest hostage and ceasefire deal proposal Egypt and Qatar negotiated with Hamas, but didn't brief Israel before Hamas announced it accepted it on Monday. A senior U.S. official pushed back saying "American diplomats have been engaged with Israeli counterparts. There have been no surprises."

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/white-house-israel-hamas-positions-allow-hostage-deal

So are the Israeli's officials lying or are the American diplomats lying

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[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Israeli officials claim the Biden administration knew about the latest hostage and ceasefire deal proposal Egypt and Qatar negotiated with Hamas, but didn't brief Israel before Hamas announced it accepted it on Monday. A senior U.S. official pushed back saying "American diplomats have been engaged with Israeli counterparts. There have been no surprises."

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/white-house-israel-hamas-positions-allow-hostage-deal

You posted that once already, I read it when you posted it and responded, it has not changed or been updated. Even John Kirby stated the deal in place was for 6 week ceasefire, the new deal Hamas accepted is not, it is for a permanent end to the war. My response remains the same>

 

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You can think what you want. Allegations are two a penny. Evidence or the US stating this is nowhere.

 

[Jeff the Chef]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Israeli officials claim the Biden administration knew about the latest hostage and ceasefire deal proposal Egypt and Qatar negotiated with Hamas, but didn't brief Israel before Hamas announced it accepted it on Monday. A senior U.S. official pushed back saying "American diplomats have been engaged with Israeli counterparts. There have been no surprises."

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/white-house-israel-hamas-positions-allow-hostage-deal

So are the Israeli's officials lying or are the American diplomats lying

 

They're both probably lying, neither of them have an ounce of humanity, Israel will just carry out whatever they want with their No 1 supporter and no amount of international condemnation will stop them, as has been clearly shown for weeks.

While I'm more than disgusted at the reactions on here by pro-Israeli's it matters not a jot to them that whatever is said about all the death and destruction it is all justifiable due to 7/10, humanity doesn't matter.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

They're both probably lying, neither of them have an ounce of humanity, Israel will just carry out whatever they want with their No 1 supporter and no amount of international condemnation will stop them, as has been clearly shown for weeks.

While I'm more than disgusted at the reactions on here by pro-Israeli's it matters not a jot to them that whatever is said about all the death and destruction it is all justifiable due to 7/10, humanity doesn't matter.

While I'm more than disgusted at the reactions on here by pro-Israeli's it matters not a jot to them that whatever is said about all the death and destruction it is all justifiable due to 7/10, humanity doesn't matter.

 

It matters a lot, Hamas are responsible for all of it with their deliberate strategy to use their own civilians as human shields. Hamas planned it this way. 

 

My disgust is more at those who think being pro Israeli means you don't care. 

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

While I'm more than disgusted at the reactions on here by pro-Israeli's it matters not a jot to them that whatever is said about all the death and destruction it is all justifiable due to 7/10, humanity doesn't matter.

 

It matters a lot, Hamas are responsible for all of it with their deliberate strategy to use their own civilians as human shields. Hamas planned it this way. 

 

My disgust is more at those who think being pro Israeli means you don't care. 

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do nothing but post Israeli propaganda from Israeli news sites that won't allow international media free access to any evidence to corroborated any of the lies they want to put out.

Cry crocodile tears all you want, even though the majority of Israeli's think and treat Palestinians/Arabs as less than human and have done for years.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do nothing but post Israeli propaganda from Israeli news sites that won't allow international media free access to any evidence to corroborated any of the lies they want to put out.

Cry crocodile tears all you want, even though the majority of Israeli's think and treat Palestinians/Arabs as less than human and have done for years.

Why did you want to make it personal all the time with spit the dummy out rants like that which have no basis in reality. 

 

 

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Et tu, Tories?

Israeli offensive on Rafah would break international law, UK minister says

Andrew Mitchell says military action on city will not eradicate Hamas and priority is to secure a permanent ceasefire

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/07/israeli-offensive-on-rafah-would-break-international-law-uk-minister-says

[Social Media]

Topic on that here

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1326685-tensions-as-idf-orders-evacuation-of-parts-of-rafah-amidst-threat-of-ground-invasion/

 

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why did you want to make it personal all the time with spit the dummy out rants like that which have no basis in reality. 

 

 

 

So you think that's personnel and a rant, but don't question any of the facts stated, proper propaganda.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So you think that's personnel and a rant, but don't question any of the facts stated, proper propaganda.

No, because you started of with personals slurs here.

 

57 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

While I'm more than disgusted at the reactions on here by pro-Israeli's it matters not a jot to them that whatever is said about all the death and destruction it is all justifiable due to 7/10, humanity doesn't matter.

Its quite obvious there are no daily updates here you want to talk about but just looking for a bickering session

[Jeff the Chef]

27 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No, because you started of with personals slurs here.

 

Its quite obvious there are no daily updates here you want to talk about but just looking for a bickering session

 

Answer this then:  Israeli propaganda from Israeli news sites that won't allow international media free access to any evidence to corroborated any of the lies they want to put out.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Answer this then:  Israeli propaganda from Israeli news sites that won't allow international media free access to any evidence to corroborated any of the lies they want to put out.

What Israeli propaganda are you referring to? Can you link to a recent report that is specific to it?

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

What Israeli propaganda are you referring to? Can you link to a recent report that is specific to it?

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

[Wobblybob]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Answer this then:  Israeli propaganda from Israeli news sites that won't allow international media free access to any evidence to corroborated any of the lies they want to put out.

It is a warzone and Israel cannot guarantee the safety of any reporters, and also reporters wandering about near Israeli troops could compromise their positions!

 

"Israel’s military can continue barring foreign journalists from accessing the Gaza Strip, the High Court said Monday, citing ongoing security concerns after months in which only Gazans or correspondents accompanied by the army have been able to report from inside the enclave."

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/high-court-says-israel-can-keep-barring-foreign-reporters-from-gaza/

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

Just making things up now.

 

Here's a fresh report:

 

CIA chief due in Israel Wednesday for talks with Netanyahu, other top officials

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-08-2024/

 

 

[Wobblybob]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

But everything that comes from the terrorists is gospel! 😂😂😂

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

 

Blinken says the ceasefire deal is extraordinarily generous & says it’s up to Hamas to accept -

 

Offered by Israel which Hamas rejected 

 

 

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Hamas accepts -Israel rejects. Orders Palestinians to leave eastern Rafah & then proceeds to bomb western Rafah -

 

 

A different deal NOT offered by Israel , a deal offered by Egypt which meant a complete surrender by Israel 

 

 

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Bombing Rafah was the US “redline” -

US blames Hamas

 

 

 

 

 

 

   You are being extremely dishonest there .

Hamas didn't accept the Israeli terms for a ceasefire

Those terms were rejected by Hamas .

You've cut and pasted two different stories .

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

36 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Answer this then:  Israeli propaganda from Israeli news sites that won't allow international media free access to any evidence to corroborated any of the lies they want to put out.

 

   What lies have the Israeli media told ?

 

[Jeff the Chef]

The US paused a shipment of bombs to Israel over worries about Israel nearing a decision to launch a wide-ranging military offensive on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, which President Joe Biden opposes, according to a senior administration official. Bloomberg News' Paul Wallace discusses with Joumanna Bercetche on on Horizons Daybreak: Middle East & Africa.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The US paused a shipment of bombs to Israel over worries about Israel nearing a decision to launch a wide-ranging military offensive on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, which President Joe Biden opposes, according to a senior administration official. Bloomberg News' Paul Wallace discusses with Joumanna Bercetche on on Horizons Daybreak: Middle East & Africa.

 

 

That's been in Israeli media for quite some time

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-confirms-holding-up-sale-of-heavy-bombs-it-feared-israel-would-use-in-rafah/

 

Its also in the other topic

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Answer this then:  Israeli propaganda from Israeli news sites that won't allow international media free access to any evidence to corroborated any of the lies they want to put out.

 

   Here is a lie by USA media . 

The only ceasefire agreed to by Hamas was the ceasefire proposed by Hamas  , which was so one sided that there was no way Israel would even consider it .

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

 

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

It is a warzone and Israel cannot guarantee the safety of any reporters, and also reporters wandering about near Israeli troops could compromise their positions!

 

"Israel’s military can continue barring foreign journalists from accessing the Gaza Strip, the High Court said Monday, citing ongoing security concerns after months in which only Gazans or correspondents accompanied by the army have been able to report from inside the enclave."

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/high-court-says-israel-can-keep-barring-foreign-reporters-from-gaza/

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just making things up now.

 

Here's a fresh report:

 

CIA chief due in Israel Wednesday for talks with Netanyahu, other top officials

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-08-2024/

 

 

 

All from the Israel Times, a totally viable source, of course it is if you only want the Israeli view.

If the International media in Israel reports anything it has to be vetted first, or they can't report it, never mind about the situation in Gaza

 

Politicians have significant influence over appointments to the broadcasting regulatory bodies. Channel 14 is known to provide very favourable coverage of the prime minister, with few critical voices. Since the start of the war with Hamas, a majority of the media has increasingly relayed the government’s propaganda in favour of the war, and critical voices find it difficult to be heard. Coverage of the war in Gaza has been seriously hindered, as only journalists embedded with the IDF are allowed to enter the enclave.

 

https://rsf.org/en/country/israel

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Here is a lie by USA media . 

The only ceasefire agreed to by Hamas was the ceasefire proposed by Hamas  , which was so one sided that there was no way Israel would even consider it .

 

 

 

Fantastic, you found something that has absolutely nothing to do with my point/post.

 

"Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.""

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

All from the Israel Times, a totally viable source, of course it is if you only want the Israeli view.

If the International media in Israel reports anything it has to be vetted first, or they can't report it, never mind about the situation in Gaza

 

Politicians have significant influence over appointments to the broadcasting regulatory bodies. Channel 14 is known to provide very favourable coverage of the prime minister, with few critical voices. Since the start of the war with Hamas, a majority of the media has increasingly relayed the government’s propaganda in favour of the war, and critical voices find it difficult to be heard. Coverage of the war in Gaza has been seriously hindered, as only journalists embedded with the IDF are allowed to enter the enclave.

 

https://rsf.org/en/country/israel

Your claim:

 

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

Your claim is wrong.

 

Its has a "high" factual rating for news, the same as the New York Times. 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Fantastic, you found something that has absolutely nothing to do with my point/post.

 

"Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.""

 

 

 

   My point was that the International media peddle lies , so they are in no position to verify anything Israel media reports .

   I have pointed out a lie by the international media , what Israeli media news reports are you referring to ?

   Or do you mean that everything a Jew says is a lie and everything a non Jew says is the truth ?

[Jeff the Chef]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your claim:

 

Your claim is wrong.

 

Its has a "high" factual rating for news, the same as the New York Times. 

 

More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a “pattern of gender-based violence” in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.

The letter, signed by professors at colleges including New York University, the University of Pennsylvania, Emory and the University of Texas, asks the Times to “immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for this story and release a report of the findings.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/04/29/new-york-times-oct-7-journalism-professors-letter/

[Nick Carter icp]

22 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

All from the Israel Times, a totally viable source, of course it is if you only want the Israeli view.

If the International media in Israel reports anything it has to be vetted first, or they can't report it, never mind about the situation in Gaza

 

Politicians have significant influence over appointments to the broadcasting regulatory bodies. Channel 14 is known to provide very favourable coverage of the prime minister, with few critical voices. Since the start of the war with Hamas, a majority of the media has increasingly relayed the government’s propaganda in favour of the war, and critical voices find it difficult to be heard. Coverage of the war in Gaza has been seriously hindered, as only journalists embedded with the IDF are allowed to enter the enclave.

 

https://rsf.org/en/country/israel

 

   You really should put quotes in quotation marks as its unclear what you wrote and what you copy and pasted .

   The second paragraph is copy and pasted , did you write the first paragraph or did you C&P it ? 

If I want to reply to the C&P ed stuff , I will search for the author and reply to him personally 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a “pattern of gender-based violence” in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.

The letter, signed by professors at colleges including New York University, the University of Pennsylvania, Emory and the University of Texas, asks the Times to “immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for this story and release a report of the findings.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/04/29/new-york-times-oct-7-journalism-professors-letter/

LOL, the Israel Times has a higher factual rating than the Washington Post. Would you like to get back on topic now?

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a “pattern of gender-based violence” in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.

The letter, signed by professors at colleges including New York University, the University of Pennsylvania, Emory and the University of Texas, asks the Times to “immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for this story and release a report of the findings.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/04/29/new-york-times-oct-7-journalism-professors-letter/

 

i.e. antisemitic leftists.