39 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of course they do, Genocide is hard to hide if there is a ceasefire. 

Yes, absolutely. 

Unfortunately after Oslo there won't be any ceasefires: every family on both sides lost their members >>> it's hard to forgive an forget, isn't? 

I've heard horrible stories from both sides, from those members.

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It was a dirty dishonest ploy by Hamas , trying to keep the Palestinian civilians in Rafah by telling them there has been a ceasefire and cause the civilian casualties to mount up . 

   Hamas also waited until Israel had began their attack on Rafah before mentioning  a ceasefire , a ceasefire which was just a complete Israel surrender and would never be accepted .

   Shocking how gullible some people are 

 

30 April:

Netanyahu vows to raid Rafah ‘with or without’ hostage deal
Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that Israel will proceed with an offensive on the southern Gaza city of Rafah even if renewed efforts at internationally brokered talks with Hamas result in the release of hostages and a ceasefire.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/netanyahu-vows-to-raid-rafah-with-or-without-hostage-deal#:~:text=Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that,of hostages and a ceasefire.

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

30 April:

Netanyahu vows to raid Rafah ‘with or without’ hostage deal
Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that Israel will proceed with an offensive on the southern Gaza city of Rafah even if renewed efforts at internationally brokered talks with Hamas result in the release of hostages and a ceasefire.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/netanyahu-vows-to-raid-rafah-with-or-without-hostage-deal#:~:text=Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that,of hostages and a ceasefire.

 

   Yes, I know , I read it when it was published last week .

Why did you post it again ?

43 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of course they do, Genocide is hard to hide if there is a ceasefire. 

Always remember you only discuss this topic with posters that share your flawed biases, that in itself is counterproductive and you will never be disagreed with but what a boring way to debate, can't you accept other posters opinions that differ from your own? 😕

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

30 April:

Netanyahu vows to raid Rafah ‘with or without’ hostage deal
Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that Israel will proceed with an offensive on the southern Gaza city of Rafah even if renewed efforts at internationally brokered talks with Hamas result in the release of hostages and a ceasefire.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/netanyahu-vows-to-raid-rafah-with-or-without-hostage-deal#:~:text=Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that,of hostages and a ceasefire.

Where did he say that? Not in the article you linked to. 

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I know what you think and want. Increasingly less people agree with you.

 

   What people previously agreed with me and now no longer agree with me ?

Could you tell me who those people are ?

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What people previously agreed with me and now no longer agree with me ?

Could you tell me who those people are ?

 

The world is no longer turning a blind eye to the plight of the Palestinians, and the justifications put forward to justify their annihilation – annihilation which was decided from the beginning (cf. Ben-Gurion's 1937 letter to his son, "We must expel Arabs and take their places...").

35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Where did he say that? Not in the article you linked to. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The world is no longer turning a blind eye to the plight of the Palestinians, and the justifications put forward to justify their annihilation – annihilation which was decided from the beginning (cf. Ben-Gurion's 1937 letter to his son, "We must expel Arabs and take their places...").

 

  Yes, as asked previously, what people are you referring to ?

What people previously agreed with me and now no longer agree with me ?

Could you tell me who those people are ?

Just saying the same thing again doesn't explain which people you mean .

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

In the recent past Israel has been seen as the nation that rose from the unspeakable horrors of the holocaust, but now its image is that of a brutal nation, no better than Putin and his murderous campaigns.

 

 

   Jackson Hinkle is still claiming that "Israel BOMBED the last Christian hospital in Gaza today, killing over 500 civilians." , even though it was a Hamas misfiring rocket and he labels Isreal as being a terrorist state , because of that bombing . 

    Hes hardly a reliable source 

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Yes, as asked previously, what people are you referring to ?

What people previously agreed with me and now no longer agree with me ?

Could you tell me who those people are ?

Just saying the same thing again doesn't explain which people you mean .

 

I am referring to the hypocritical status quo which has long prevailed worldwide, portraying Israel as a democracy under Islamist threat and therefore legitimately defending itself. Awareness has increased dramatically regarding what Israel really is, and what its intent really is.

Yosef Weitz, director of the Land and Afforestation Department of the Jewish National Fund, December 1940:

"It should be clear to us that there is no room in Palestine for these two peoples.
[...]
The only solution is Palestine, at least Western Palestine, without Arabs. There is no room here for compromises!
[...]
Not one village, not one tribe should be left."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosef_Weitz

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, I know , I read it when it was published last week .

Why did you post it again ?

 

Several posters here have repeatedly claimed that what is happening in Gaza is Hamas' fault, while the truth is, in Bibi's own words, what is happening in Gaza is a plan and its stakeholders will carry it out no matter what, even if Hamas gives in to Israel's demands.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Several posters here have repeatedly claimed that what is happening in Gaza is Hamas' fault, while the truth is, in Bibi's own words, what is happening in Gaza is a plan and its stakeholders will carry it out no matter what, even if Hamas gives in to Israel's demands.

 

   The Gaza war was caused by the Hamas terror attack on Oct 7 th .

It was just after the terror attack that Israel/Bibi vowed to wipe Hamas out .

You are trying to rewrite history and make the claim that Israel wants to wipe out Hamas and the Oct 7 th  attack is irrelevant .

  Hamas will not evade justice just by freeing their hostages , they need to be punished for committing the crime 

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Which people have changed their mind though ?

Who are these people that you talk of ?

Who are the people that previously agreed with me, but no longer do ?

 

Pretty much the whole world, Nick, except for a few corrupt politicians and journalists.

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

Pretty much the whole world, Nick, except for a few corrupt politicians and journalists.

 

   Palestinian  supporters quite often speak on behalf of the whole World .

Sitting at home online and telling the World what they think .

*The whole World agrees with me , its just you with a differing opinion to me and the rest of the World " 🙂

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The Gaza war was caused by the Hamas terror attack on Oct 7 th .

It was just after the terror attack that Israel/Bibi vowed to wipe Hamas out .

You are trying to rewrite history and make the claim that Israel wants to wipe out Hamas and the Oct 7 th  attack is irrelevant .

  Hamas will not evade justice just by freeing their hostages , they need to be punished for committing the crime 

 

In 1969, Prime Minister Golda Meir said, “There are no such things as Palestinians”; Prime Minister Begin said in 1982 that Palestinians were “beasts walking on two legs”; a year later, Chief of Staff Raphael Eitan said they are “drugged cockroaches in a bottle”; and in 2001, Israeli President Moshe Katsav called Palestinians “people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/language-israel-gaza-palestine/

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Palestinian  supporters quite often speak on behalf of the whole World .

Sitting at home online and telling the World what they think .

*The whole World agrees with me , its just you with a differing opinion to me and the rest of the World " 🙂

 

I am giving you my opinion, as someone who has been following this issue for many years. I think you understand where I am coming from.

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I am giving you my opinion, as someone who has been following this issue for many years. I think you understand where I am coming from.

 

   Then you will be aware that there has always been opposition to Israel, always been marches and campaigns to boycott Israel and disinvest . 

  Always been terror attacks, anti Semites and Jews haters .always have been and always will be .

Saudi Arabia and U.A.E now side with Israel, that is more important than a few protests in USA universities 

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Then you will be aware that there has always been opposition to Israel, always been marches and campaigns to boycott Israel and disinvest . 

  Always been terror attacks, anti Semites and Jews haters .always have been and always will be .

Saudi Arabia and U.A.E now side with Israel, that is more important than a few protests in USA universities 

 

It's a lot more than a few USA protests, there are European protests too, UN spokespeople talking of genocide, the ICJ hearings, the reports of humanitarian aids and journalists killed… All this is unprecedented and disastrous for Israel's image.

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It's a lot more than a few USA protests, there are European protests too, UN spokespeople talking of genocide, the ICJ hearings, the reports of humanitarian aids and journalists killed… All this is unprecedented and disastrous for Israel's image.

 

   This isn't the first war where journalists have been killed , so its not unprecedented .

Its just a small loud minority shouting about genocide and starvation .

There have always been protestors protesting about something .

Impartial people realise that Israel are fighting back against terrorists , thy don't all believe that "all  innocent woman and children" nonsense 

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This isn't the first war where journalists have been killed , so its not unprecedented .

Its just a small loud minority shouting about genocide and starvation .

There have always been protestors protesting about something .

Impartial people realise that Israel are fighting back against terrorists , thy don't all believe that "all  innocent woman and children" nonsense 

 

What's your opinion on these quotes?

In 1969, Prime Minister Golda Meir said, “There are no such things as Palestinians”; Prime Minister Begin said in 1982 that Palestinians were “beasts walking on two legs”; a year later, Chief of Staff Raphael Eitan said they are “drugged cockroaches in a bottle”; and in 2001, Israeli President Moshe Katsav called Palestinians “people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/language-israel-gaza-palestine/

The topic here is for daily updates on the Israel/Hamas war which started on Oct 7th not historical perspectives. There are other dedicated topics for that.

Topic Update: Sustainable calm’ proposal splits Israel and Hamas

 

UN chief Antonio Guterres says it is a "decisive moment for the Palestinian and Israeli people and for the fate of the entire region". There seems to be common ground between most sides about the principles: a ceasefire should take place alongside the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners. Various draft agreements have been drawn up, setting out a complex process of how it would all work. The last deal that was described by United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken urged Hamas to swiftly accept Israel's latest and “extraordinarily generous offer” was, then turned down by Hamas.

 

Hamas then accepted a deal put forward by Egypt and Qatar, however this deal had no input from other stakeholders. Israel will however continue negotiations. There is some disagreement over the detail of what should happen to whom and when and in what order. Israeli officials say, for example, that its female soldiers should be released earlier than envisaged. They also say the texts should be clearer that the first 33 hostages to be released must be alive and are worried about not having a veto over which Palestinian prisoners would be released.

 

But there is a more fundamental sticking point about a core principle that may be harder to get past and that is when the war should end. The opening words of the draft agreement - supported by Hamas - declares that there should be a "temporary cessation of military operations between the two parties". This is largely unproblematic. Six weeks would pass while people are released, Israeli forces withdraw from some areas, displaced Gazans would be able to return to what if anything is left of their homes.

 

But then stage two would begin. The draft agreement then talks about a "return to sustainable calm", which it defines as "a permanent cessation of military and hostile operations". More hostages would then be released. It is this that seems to be unacceptable to Israel's government. In a statement, the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said: "Israel will not allow Hamas to restore its evil rule in the Gaza Strip, Israel will not allow it to restore its military capabilities to continue striving for our destruction. Israel cannot accept a proposal that endangers the security of our citizens and the future of our country."

In other words, Israel's government wants the right to continue taking the fight to Hamas in the long run. By contrast, Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire.

 

What is not clear is whether there is a way for Qatari, Egyptian and American negotiators to find a middle path through this.

 

2024-05-08

 

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Then you will be aware that there has always been opposition to Israel, always been marches and campaigns to boycott Israel and disinvest . 

  Always been terror attacks, anti Semites and Jews haters .always have been and always will be .

Saudi Arabia and U.A.E now side with Israel, that is more important than a few protests in USA universities 

The Foreign Ministry expresses Saudi Arabia’s warning of the dangers of the Israeli occupation forces targeting the city of Rafah as part of its systematic bloody campaign to storm all areas of the Gaza Strip and displace its residents towards the unknown.

It doesn't appear that Saudi Arabia agrees with Israel on this issue

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

The Foreign Ministry expresses Saudi Arabia’s warning of the dangers of the Israeli occupation forces targeting the city of Rafah as part of its systematic bloody campaign to storm all areas of the Gaza Strip and displace its residents towards the unknown.

It doesn't appear that Saudi Arabia agrees with Israel on this issue

Don't be so sure. Secretly, the Saudis probably LOVE seeing Hamas get its butt kicked. It makes Iran look bad. But they have to make the correct noises in public, so they put out statements like this. Sound and fury, meaning nothing. 

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

What is not clear is whether there is a way for Qatari, Egyptian and American negotiators to find a middle path through this.

What on Earth has this got to do with the USA? 

Nice to see the Red Indians condemning the Genocide. 

 

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What on Earth has this got to do with the USA? 

The terrorists are holding six American hostages, but hey, they're American so it doesn't matter!

 

Blinken says the ceasefire deal is extraordinarily generous & says it’s up to Hamas to accept -

Hamas accepts -

Israel rejects. Orders Palestinians to leave eastern Rafah & then proceeds to bomb western Rafah -

Bombing Rafah was the US “redline” -

US blames Hamas

 

 

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Don't be so sure. Secretly, the Saudis probably LOVE seeing Hamas get its butt kicked. It makes Iran look bad. But they have to make the correct noises in public, so they put out statements like this. Sound and fury, meaning nothing. 

As far as I know its the 1st time that the Saudi's have called Israel out for committing a genocide

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has officially labeled the actions of Israel in the Gaza Strip a genocide