Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[rattlesnake]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The ongoing deal referred to in my post has nothing to do with Rafah.

 

Whether Rafah goes ahead also depends on how the talks go in Washington as the US is going to be offering some more targeted options to get Hamas in Rafah rather than full invasion.

 

US to focus on Rafah in upcoming Israel talks

The U.S. is set to present Israel with alternative options for targeting Hamas that does not involve a risky incursion into Rafah, which would come with a high humanitarian cost. American officials that spoke to The Times of Israel said that Washington will propose securing the Egypt-Gaza border as an alternative to the ground campaign. Under the proposal, Israel would focus on preventing weapons that could rearm Hamas militants from being smuggled over the border. “This isn’t just us saying, ‘No you can’t do it.’ We’re saying that we’re willing to work with you on viable alternatives that still help you achieve your objectives,” one official said.

https://www.semafor.com/article/03/20/2024/us-to-focus-on-rafah-in-upcoming-israel-talks

 

Blinken says negotiations to a deal are 'getting closer' amid looming Rafah operation

'We can think of Rafah in terms of whether and how we go... Maybe we can do limited operations that go hand-in-hand with what the U.S wants from us,' says Lt. Col. (Res.) Doron Avital

 

 

Okay, well one can only hope the civilians will be spared. Given Netanhyahu's track record and rhetoric, there is reason to be skeptical, unfortunately.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Okay, well one can only hope the civilians will be spared. Given Netanhyahu's track record and rhetoric, there is reason to be skeptical, unfortunately.

 

Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical

[rattlesnake]

CNN interviews Netanhyahu supporter and settler leader Daniella Weiss.

 

The grandmother who wants to lead Israelis back to a Gaza without Palestinians

"No Arab, I’m speaking about more than two million Arabs. They will not stay there,” Weiss said. “We Jews will be in Gaza.”

[...]

A poll in January from The Jewish People Policy Institute found that 26% of Israelis advocate for the reconstruction of the Gush Katif settlements after the war is over. Among supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition government, the number jumps to 51% compared to 3% for supporters of the opposition.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-settlers-daniella-weiss/index.html

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical

 

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? The US is trying to stop an invasion of Rafah no matter what. That means Israel will have to accept a peace deal. It is not a reasonable option for them to invade or bomb Rafah with any kind of large scale military operation. The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation. The world sees it that way. 30,000 dead people is enough.

[ozimoron]

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

American officials that spoke to The Times of Israel said that Washington will propose securing the Egypt-Gaza border as an alternative to the ground campaign. Under the proposal, Israel would focus on preventing weapons that could rearm Hamas militants from being smuggled over the border.

LOL. That would either entail israeli troops inside Gaza forever, and the US has already said that is unacceptable, or israeli troops in Egypt. Somehow, I think Sisi might have a disagreement with that.

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? The US is trying to stop an invasion of Rafah no matter what. That means Israel will have to accept a peace deal. It is not a reasonable option for them to invade or bomb Rafah with any kind of large scale military operation. The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation. The world sees it that way. 30,000 dead people is enough.

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? 

 

No. You said that not me.

 

Here is what I said: "Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical"

 

Noted you managed to get in a vile dig calling the Israelis sub human. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. That would either entail israeli troops inside Gaza forever, and the US has already said that is unacceptable, or israeli troops in Egypt. Somehow, I think Sisi might have a disagreement with that.

Ah so I am not on your ignore list anymore. Great look forward to some tantalizing debates with you. As for your opinion on this matter, sorry I have no idea what your talking about as none of that was mentioned in the post.

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

CNN interviews Netanhyahu supporter and settler leader Daniella Weiss.

 

The grandmother who wants to lead Israelis back to a Gaza without Palestinians

"No Arab, I’m speaking about more than two million Arabs. They will not stay there,” Weiss said. “We Jews will be in Gaza.”

[...]

A poll in January from The Jewish People Policy Institute found that 26% of Israelis advocate for the reconstruction of the Gush Katif settlements after the war is over. Among supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition government, the number jumps to 51% compared to 3% for supporters of the opposition.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-settlers-daniella-weiss/index.html

 I raise you Hamas in their own words, a nice little incomplete collection:

 

Hamas in Its Own Words

Hamas Leaders and Officials:  

Statements by Hamas officials make clear the terrorist organization’s commitment to destroying Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world. 

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

[Bkk Brian]

The jackpot at Shifa that keeps giving, expected to last a few more days.

 

IDF says 650 terror operatives captured at Shifa, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders

The IDF and Shin Bet security agency say troops have captured some 650 terror operatives during the ongoing operation at Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, including several senior Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad commanders.

The Islamic Jihad operatives holed up at the medical center surrendered to troops, the IDF says.

Among them were Hussam Salameh, the commander of PIJ’s observation and intelligence unit in Gaza City, and his brother, Wissam Salameh, head of the terror group’s propaganda unit in Gaza City, according to the IDF.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-600-terror-operatives-captured-at-shifa-including-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-commanders/

 

@IDF Spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari talks about the ongoing operation at Shifa Hospital and the terrorist activity discovered in the building.

 

 

[ezzra]

17 hours ago, WDSmart said:

"They," the radical, right-wing faction of which Netanyahu's government is a member, do want the eradication and elimination of the Palestine nation so Israel can totally occupy what it thinks is its literally God-given right to own.

There will always be those who want Israel to share (or divide up) this land with the Palestinians who were living there before the state of Israel was created. 

Not sure where from you got the idea that Israel want to occupy Gaza, a link to that claim would be helpful,

 

The world, This world, has a problem with Jews, and for centuries, every possible attempt was done to eliminate 

the Jewish people, starting from the pharaohs of Egypt all the way to modern times and I'm not going to list

here the countries, empires, nations and powers that tried and almost succeeded,

Hundreds of millions around the world hate Jews, ask them why and you'll get a nonsensical reply,

most of them never met a Jew in their lives of can point on the map where Israel or Gaza is,

they hate because this is what the world did and still do,

Back to Gaza, Israel will go all the way to destroy those who aim to destroy it, and the hell with anyone

who has pity on terrorists, rapist and murderess...

[rattlesnake]

Famine in northern Gaza is imminent as more than 1 million people face ‘catastrophic’ levels of hunger, new report warns

CNN — Famine is imminent in northern Gaza where 70% of the population are already suffering with catastrophic levels of hunger, a UN-backed report said Monday, as the EU’s top diplomat accused Israel of using “starvation as a weapon of war.”

The crisis has been described as “entirely man-made” and “preventable” due to Israel’s throttling of aid and widespread destruction of Gaza.

[...]

Aid delivery by sea and air was only necessary because the “natural” way of delivering aid by land was “artificially closed” by Israel, he added.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Famine in northern Gaza is imminent as more than 1 million people face ‘catastrophic’ levels of hunger, new report warns

CNN — Famine is imminent in northern Gaza where 70% of the population are already suffering with catastrophic levels of hunger, a UN-backed report said Monday, as the EU’s top diplomat accused Israel of using “starvation as a weapon of war.”

The crisis has been described as “entirely man-made” and “preventable” due to Israel’s throttling of aid and widespread destruction of Gaza.

[...]

Aid delivery by sea and air was only necessary because the “natural” way of delivering aid by land was “artificially closed” by Israel, he added.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html

That report referenced has already been posted here twice and even has its own topic from a few days ago.

 

Gaza's entire population facing acute food insecurity, Blinken warns

https://aseannow.com/topic/1322802-gazas-entire-population-facing-acute-food-insecurity-blinken-warns/

 

 

[Wobblybob]

Douglas Murray educates another ill informed anti-Semitic interviewer.

 

 

[Wobblybob]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? 

 

No. You said that not me.

 

Here is what I said: "Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical"

 

Noted you managed to get in a vile dig calling the Israelis sub human. 

How these people can use words like "sub human" after the Nazis used it to describe Jews is a mystery to all decent human beings. 

[Jeff the Chef]

57 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Douglas Murray educates another ill informed anti-Semitic interviewer.

 

 

 

Usual claptrap of but they have a border with Egypt, they also have an air and sea border that is blockaded by Israel, and a wall around it with the ability to contain all the occupants. 

[Wobblybob]

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Usual claptrap of but they have a border with Egypt, they also have an air and sea border that is blockaded by Israel, and a wall around it with the ability to contain all the occupants. 

What is clap trap about what Adams says. Are you sure that it is you that is afraid of the truth?

[Neeranam]

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

CNN interviews Netanhyahu supporter and settler leader Daniella Weiss.

 

The grandmother who wants to lead Israelis back to a Gaza without Palestinians

"No Arab, I’m speaking about more than two million Arabs. They will not stay there,” Weiss said. “We Jews will be in Gaza.”

[...]

A poll in January from The Jewish People Policy Institute found that 26% of Israelis advocate for the reconstruction of the Gush Katif settlements after the war is over. Among supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition government, the number jumps to 51% compared to 3% for supporters of the opposition.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-settlers-daniella-weiss/index.html

I wonder if most Israelis feel this way? Disgusting.

[Neeranam]

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The US is trying to stop an invasion of Rafah no matter what.

Wouldn't they be better to stop providing the bombs and funds to Israel? 

[Jeff the Chef]

26 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Usual claptrap of but they have a border with Egypt, they also have an air and sea border that is blockaded by Israel, and a wall around it with the ability to contain all the occupants. 

 

8 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

What is clap trap about what Adams says. Are you sure that it is you that is afraid of the truth?

 

Truth, what have I said that is untruthful?

[Wobblybob]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Truth, what have I said that is untruthful?

You have stated that Adams interview was clap trap, would you like to say why?

[Jeff the Chef]

15 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You have stated that Adams interview was clap trap, would you like to say why?

 

Why Egypt won't allow vulnerable Palestinians across its border:

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1232826942/rafah-gaza-palestinians-egypt-border#:~:text=Early in the war%2C Egypt's,Israeli attacks and Egyptian counterattacks.

[Wobblybob]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Why Egypt  won't allow vulnerable Palestinians across its border:

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1232826942/rafah-gaza-palestinians-egypt-border#:~:text=Early in the war%2C Egypt's,Israeli attacks and Egyptian counterattacks.

You have just validated what Adams has said, the interviewer asked Adams about Israel and he retorted "why don't you ask about Egypt and the interviewer (apparently she is an Al Jazeera reporter) would not answer it. So given your post doesn't answer why the interview with Adams was clap trap after all, can we assume it wasn't.

And to add insult to injury you use a left wing news source biased against Israel.

 

 NPR has been criticized for perceived bias in its coverage of Israel and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.^[4][5][6][7] The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), a pro-Israel American media monitoring organization based in Boston, has been particularly critical of NPR. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR_controversies#:~:text=NPR has been criticized for,been particularly critical of NPR.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

26 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Why Egypt won't allow vulnerable Palestinians across its border:

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1232826942/rafah-gaza-palestinians-egypt-border#:~:text=Early in the war%2C Egypt's,Israeli attacks and Egyptian counterattacks.

 

   When neighbouring Jordon and Lebanon allowed Palestinian into their Countries

The Palestinians formed militias and tried to take over the Country by force and both ended up in civil wars between the Palestinians and the Government .

    Egypt doesn't want a civil war 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Truth, what have I said that is untruthful?

That's a tough one to answer

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Wouldn't they be better to stop providing the bombs and funds to Israel? 

 

Too late, they have enough bombs to level Rafah as it is. Diplomatic pressure is the only way out now.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Too late, they have enough bombs to level Rafah as it is. Diplomatic pressure is the only way out now.

Well, they will know the next time Israel asks for aid.

[ozimoron]

"Israel has the right to defend, not for revenge".

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Usual claptrap of but they have a border with Egypt, they also have an air and sea border that is blockaded by Israel, and a wall around it with the ability to contain all the occupants. 

 

   But Gaza does have a border with Egypt , which is not only a wall border but also an an air border 🙂

 

 

 

   Egypt's border wall with Gaza

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

"Israel has the right to defend, not for revenge".

 

 

"Israel has the right to defend, not for revenge".

 

Who said that? I've read the read out transcript cant see that anywhere