11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Actually they've killed 140 terrorists not militants and that's just at the hospital, other fighting goes on in Gaza where they have killed more. Yes I am very pleased and wish that Hamas did what other security council resolutions ordered, release the hostages immediately.

 

Hamas refused the ceasefires deals so far even with all the concessions made by Israel.

 

Why does this have to be explained again and again and again to you. So repetitive and time wasting

 

 

Every administrative post in Gaza is hamas. Are they all terrorists?

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Every administrative post in Gaza is hamas. Are they all terrorists?

Depends if they carry guns and want to kill Israeli's 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Depends if they carry guns and want to kill Israeli's 

 

So, no.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

So, no.

So........................

 

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Depends if they carry guns and want to kill Israeli's 

 

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Every administrative post in Gaza is hamas. Are they all terrorists?

Who cares, Hamas is recognised as a terrorist group by most civilised democratic countries, so stop trying to split airs with your cheap attempt to point score!

Blinken: Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal ‘very much possible’

A potential ceasefire deal between Israel and the Hamas terrorist group is “getting closer,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Wednesday during a trip to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

“I think the gaps are narrowing, and I think an agreement is very much possible. We worked very hard with Qatar, with Egypt and with Israel to put a strong proposal on the table. We did that; Hamas wouldn’t accept it. They came back with other requests, other demands,” Blinken told Christiane Baissary of the Saudi-based Al Hadath newspaper, according to a State Department transcript of the interview.

“The negotiators are working on that right now. But I believe it’s very much doable, and it’s very much necessary,” he added.

https://www.jns.org/blinken-israel-hamas-ceasefire-deal-very-much-possible/

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

My point was that although you boast about the IDF killing 140 militants (supposedly, by their ID and count), no hostages have been released. If the recovery of hostages were the primary goal of the Israeli government, their plans so far are not working. If they really valued the lives of all those hostages, they should more seriously consider a ceasefire, not continuing attacks.

 

   The equally primary goal is to wipe Hamas out 

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Where do you get from my post any celebrating or gloating and no link posted, as this is well known information.

 

 

   You misunderstood what I meant .

You initially posted a link to the IDF making a mistake , you then subsequently reposted the info from that link about four times describing what happened .

  So you posted a link then wrote the content of the link about four times in subsequent  posts .

Like ignoring the news about the IDF killing 140 Hamas terrorists and going back 3 months to when the IDF messed up and highlighting that IDF defeat , rather than the recent victory .

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Common sense and a wider reading of Blinken's comments. I asked what you think. I can't imagine that any rational person believes other than he means a permanent ceasefire, especially when Blinken is calling for a 2 state solution. You are sounding a bit off the rails here to be frank.

Seems very doubtful.

I can't imagine Israel going for a permanent ceasefire without Hamas permanently surrendering.  

As far as a two state solution, they can talk, but I continue to think October 7 made that possibility much more remote than it already was.

Keep in mind the targets of October 7 were heavily of the more peacenik kind of Israelis (the dancers AND the kibbutzim). 

Israelis should have any trust after that? Good luck with that.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Blinken: Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal ‘very much possible’

A potential ceasefire deal between Israel and the Hamas terrorist group is “getting closer,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Wednesday during a trip to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

“I think the gaps are narrowing, and I think an agreement is very much possible. We worked very hard with Qatar, with Egypt and with Israel to put a strong proposal on the table. We did that; Hamas wouldn’t accept it. They came back with other requests, other demands,” Blinken told Christiane Baissary of the Saudi-based Al Hadath newspaper, according to a State Department transcript of the interview.

“The negotiators are working on that right now. But I believe it’s very much doable, and it’s very much necessary,” he added.

https://www.jns.org/blinken-israel-hamas-ceasefire-deal-very-much-possible/

 

Yet Netanyahu has made it clear that the Rafah offensive will happen no matter what, and that it will take weeks. From this article:

"On Wednesday, Netanyahu insisted that the IDF would enter Rafah with or without support from the United States."

 

Also, from four days ago:

 

Blinken: Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal ‘very much possible’

Despite the talks, Netanyahu made it clear he has no plan to back down from the fighting that has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians, forced survivors into unlivable, cramped conditions in Rafah and elicited accusations of genocide.

[...]

Netanyahu also reiterated his determination to attack Hamas in Rafah, in southern Gaza, and said that his government approved military plans for such an operation.

[...]

"This will take several weeks, and it will happen," he said."

https://www.jns.org/blinken-israel-hamas-ceasefire-deal-very-much-possible/

 

13 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Yet Netanyahu has made it clear that the Rafah offensive will happen no matter what, and that it will take weeks. From this article:

"On Wednesday, Netanyahu insisted that the IDF would enter Rafah with or without support from the United States."

 

Also, from four days ago:

 

Blinken: Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal ‘very much possible’

Despite the talks, Netanyahu made it clear he has no plan to back down from the fighting that has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians, forced survivors into unlivable, cramped conditions in Rafah and elicited accusations of genocide.

[...]

Netanyahu also reiterated his determination to attack Hamas in Rafah, in southern Gaza, and said that his government approved military plans for such an operation.

[...]

"This will take several weeks, and it will happen," he said."

https://www.jns.org/blinken-israel-hamas-ceasefire-deal-very-much-possible/

 

The ongoing deal referred to in my post has nothing to do with Rafah.

 

Whether Rafah goes ahead also depends on how the talks go in Washington as the US is going to be offering some more targeted options to get Hamas in Rafah rather than full invasion.

 

US to focus on Rafah in upcoming Israel talks

The U.S. is set to present Israel with alternative options for targeting Hamas that does not involve a risky incursion into Rafah, which would come with a high humanitarian cost. American officials that spoke to The Times of Israel said that Washington will propose securing the Egypt-Gaza border as an alternative to the ground campaign. Under the proposal, Israel would focus on preventing weapons that could rearm Hamas militants from being smuggled over the border. “This isn’t just us saying, ‘No you can’t do it.’ We’re saying that we’re willing to work with you on viable alternatives that still help you achieve your objectives,” one official said.

https://www.semafor.com/article/03/20/2024/us-to-focus-on-rafah-in-upcoming-israel-talks

 

Blinken says negotiations to a deal are 'getting closer' amid looming Rafah operation

'We can think of Rafah in terms of whether and how we go... Maybe we can do limited operations that go hand-in-hand with what the U.S wants from us,' says Lt. Col. (Res.) Doron Avital

 

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The ongoing deal referred to in my post has nothing to do with Rafah.

 

Whether Rafah goes ahead also depends on how the talks go in Washington as the US is going to be offering some more targeted options to get Hamas in Rafah rather than full invasion.

 

US to focus on Rafah in upcoming Israel talks

The U.S. is set to present Israel with alternative options for targeting Hamas that does not involve a risky incursion into Rafah, which would come with a high humanitarian cost. American officials that spoke to The Times of Israel said that Washington will propose securing the Egypt-Gaza border as an alternative to the ground campaign. Under the proposal, Israel would focus on preventing weapons that could rearm Hamas militants from being smuggled over the border. “This isn’t just us saying, ‘No you can’t do it.’ We’re saying that we’re willing to work with you on viable alternatives that still help you achieve your objectives,” one official said.

https://www.semafor.com/article/03/20/2024/us-to-focus-on-rafah-in-upcoming-israel-talks

 

Blinken says negotiations to a deal are 'getting closer' amid looming Rafah operation

'We can think of Rafah in terms of whether and how we go... Maybe we can do limited operations that go hand-in-hand with what the U.S wants from us,' says Lt. Col. (Res.) Doron Avital

 

 

Okay, well one can only hope the civilians will be spared. Given Netanhyahu's track record and rhetoric, there is reason to be skeptical, unfortunately.

 

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Okay, well one can only hope the civilians will be spared. Given Netanhyahu's track record and rhetoric, there is reason to be skeptical, unfortunately.

 

Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical

CNN interviews Netanhyahu supporter and settler leader Daniella Weiss.

 

The grandmother who wants to lead Israelis back to a Gaza without Palestinians

"No Arab, I’m speaking about more than two million Arabs. They will not stay there,” Weiss said. “We Jews will be in Gaza.”

[...]

A poll in January from The Jewish People Policy Institute found that 26% of Israelis advocate for the reconstruction of the Gush Katif settlements after the war is over. Among supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition government, the number jumps to 51% compared to 3% for supporters of the opposition.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-settlers-daniella-weiss/index.html

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical

 

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? The US is trying to stop an invasion of Rafah no matter what. That means Israel will have to accept a peace deal. It is not a reasonable option for them to invade or bomb Rafah with any kind of large scale military operation. The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation. The world sees it that way. 30,000 dead people is enough.

 

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

American officials that spoke to The Times of Israel said that Washington will propose securing the Egypt-Gaza border as an alternative to the ground campaign. Under the proposal, Israel would focus on preventing weapons that could rearm Hamas militants from being smuggled over the border.

LOL. That would either entail israeli troops inside Gaza forever, and the US has already said that is unacceptable, or israeli troops in Egypt. Somehow, I think Sisi might have a disagreement with that.

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? The US is trying to stop an invasion of Rafah no matter what. That means Israel will have to accept a peace deal. It is not a reasonable option for them to invade or bomb Rafah with any kind of large scale military operation. The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation. The world sees it that way. 30,000 dead people is enough.

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? 

 

No. You said that not me.

 

Here is what I said: "Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical"

 

Noted you managed to get in a vile dig calling the Israelis sub human. 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. That would either entail israeli troops inside Gaza forever, and the US has already said that is unacceptable, or israeli troops in Egypt. Somehow, I think Sisi might have a disagreement with that.

Ah so I am not on your ignore list anymore. Great look forward to some tantalizing debates with you. As for your opinion on this matter, sorry I have no idea what your talking about as none of that was mentioned in the post.

43 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You dreamer you.

 

Given what israel has been doing, as exposed by Al Jazeera, it's apparent to me that the civilians are the target. IMO it's a terror campaign to try and make Gaza inhabitants want to leave. It might work, except that no surrounding country is going to agree to israel's diabiolical plan, so that only leaves one option, something that has been mentioned by the israeli apologists on here before.

 

I agree.

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

CNN interviews Netanhyahu supporter and settler leader Daniella Weiss.

 

The grandmother who wants to lead Israelis back to a Gaza without Palestinians

"No Arab, I’m speaking about more than two million Arabs. They will not stay there,” Weiss said. “We Jews will be in Gaza.”

[...]

A poll in January from The Jewish People Policy Institute found that 26% of Israelis advocate for the reconstruction of the Gush Katif settlements after the war is over. Among supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition government, the number jumps to 51% compared to 3% for supporters of the opposition.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-settlers-daniella-weiss/index.html

 I raise you Hamas in their own words, a nice little incomplete collection:

 

Hamas in Its Own Words

Hamas Leaders and Officials:  

Statements by Hamas officials make clear the terrorist organization’s commitment to destroying Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world. 

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

The jackpot at Shifa that keeps giving, expected to last a few more days.

 

IDF says 650 terror operatives captured at Shifa, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad commanders

The IDF and Shin Bet security agency say troops have captured some 650 terror operatives during the ongoing operation at Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, including several senior Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad commanders.

The Islamic Jihad operatives holed up at the medical center surrendered to troops, the IDF says.

Among them were Hussam Salameh, the commander of PIJ’s observation and intelligence unit in Gaza City, and his brother, Wissam Salameh, head of the terror group’s propaganda unit in Gaza City, according to the IDF.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-600-terror-operatives-captured-at-shifa-including-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-commanders/

 

@IDF Spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari talks about the ongoing operation at Shifa Hospital and the terrorist activity discovered in the building.

 

 

17 hours ago, WDSmart said:

"They," the radical, right-wing faction of which Netanyahu's government is a member, do want the eradication and elimination of the Palestine nation so Israel can totally occupy what it thinks is its literally God-given right to own.

There will always be those who want Israel to share (or divide up) this land with the Palestinians who were living there before the state of Israel was created. 

Not sure where from you got the idea that Israel want to occupy Gaza, a link to that claim would be helpful,

 

The world, This world, has a problem with Jews, and for centuries, every possible attempt was done to eliminate 

the Jewish people, starting from the pharaohs of Egypt all the way to modern times and I'm not going to list

here the countries, empires, nations and powers that tried and almost succeeded,

Hundreds of millions around the world hate Jews, ask them why and you'll get a nonsensical reply,

most of them never met a Jew in their lives of can point on the map where Israel or Gaza is,

they hate because this is what the world did and still do,

Back to Gaza, Israel will go all the way to destroy those who aim to destroy it, and the hell with anyone

who has pity on terrorists, rapist and murderess...

Famine in northern Gaza is imminent as more than 1 million people face ‘catastrophic’ levels of hunger, new report warns

CNN — Famine is imminent in northern Gaza where 70% of the population are already suffering with catastrophic levels of hunger, a UN-backed report said Monday, as the EU’s top diplomat accused Israel of using “starvation as a weapon of war.”

The crisis has been described as “entirely man-made” and “preventable” due to Israel’s throttling of aid and widespread destruction of Gaza.

[...]

Aid delivery by sea and air was only necessary because the “natural” way of delivering aid by land was “artificially closed” by Israel, he added.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Famine in northern Gaza is imminent as more than 1 million people face ‘catastrophic’ levels of hunger, new report warns

CNN — Famine is imminent in northern Gaza where 70% of the population are already suffering with catastrophic levels of hunger, a UN-backed report said Monday, as the EU’s top diplomat accused Israel of using “starvation as a weapon of war.”

The crisis has been described as “entirely man-made” and “preventable” due to Israel’s throttling of aid and widespread destruction of Gaza.

[...]

Aid delivery by sea and air was only necessary because the “natural” way of delivering aid by land was “artificially closed” by Israel, he added.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html

That report referenced has already been posted here twice and even has its own topic from a few days ago.

 

Gaza's entire population facing acute food insecurity, Blinken warns

https://aseannow.com/topic/1322802-gazas-entire-population-facing-acute-food-insecurity-blinken-warns/

 

 

Douglas Murray educates another ill informed anti-Semitic interviewer.

 

 

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You don't really believe Hamas are going to walk out with their hands up do you? 

 

No. You said that not me.

 

Here is what I said: "Given Hamas record there is a massive reason to be skeptical"

 

Noted you managed to get in a vile dig calling the Israelis sub human. 

How these people can use words like "sub human" after the Nazis used it to describe Jews is a mystery to all decent human beings. 

57 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Douglas Murray educates another ill informed anti-Semitic interviewer.

 

 

 

Usual claptrap of but they have a border with Egypt, they also have an air and sea border that is blockaded by Israel, and a wall around it with the ability to contain all the occupants. 

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Usual claptrap of but they have a border with Egypt, they also have an air and sea border that is blockaded by Israel, and a wall around it with the ability to contain all the occupants. 

What is clap trap about what Adams says. Are you sure that it is you that is afraid of the truth?

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

CNN interviews Netanhyahu supporter and settler leader Daniella Weiss.

 

The grandmother who wants to lead Israelis back to a Gaza without Palestinians

"No Arab, I’m speaking about more than two million Arabs. They will not stay there,” Weiss said. “We Jews will be in Gaza.”

[...]

A poll in January from The Jewish People Policy Institute found that 26% of Israelis advocate for the reconstruction of the Gush Katif settlements after the war is over. Among supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition government, the number jumps to 51% compared to 3% for supporters of the opposition.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-settlers-daniella-weiss/index.html

I wonder if most Israelis feel this way? Disgusting.