Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Simple things is hard for some! Blinded by colurs and hate, programmed to follow the same pattern, and see nothing else than one side, feel only one sides suffering, 

Yes we must ethnically cleanse this area while we re build it for them free of charge because Hamas used it to fight from. Once we've finished we will then ethnically cleanse them back again to brand new homes.

 

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[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Palestinians  came to Israel from the surrounding Countries , they would just be going back to where they came from 

You know your history well 👏

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes we must ethnically cleanse this area while we re build it for them free of charge because Hamas used it to fight from. Once we've finished we will then ethnically cleanse them back again to brand new homes.

 

 

 

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We? 

 

Dont make me laughing. Isreal should have their reserves frozen, and used to build bak up again

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

We? 

 

Dont make me laughing. Isreal should have their reserves frozen, and used to build bak up again

"We" was a figure of speech, didn't realize you would find that so amusing, don't worry, you do not have to pay a penny, promise.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You know your history well 👏

 

  Many of the Palestians surnames originate from neighbouring Arab Countries and they flocked to Israel because of the prosperity 

[Rimmer]

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[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"We" was a figure of speech, didn't realize you would find that so amusing, don't worry, you do not have to pay a penny, promise.

I already do, I pay tax, and my country do humanitarian work all over the world, as well run Nordbatt Unified for 20 years, where many of my friends served. Some Damaged for life mentally and physically.

 

They went pro Isreal, came back pro Palestinian after they learned how it really was, and not only western Israel pro propaganda. I was to enroll myself, but because of one incident of disciplinary reasons prevented me from go.  Would say I was lucky. 

 

The government foundings to rebuild palestine is founded by tax moneys.

 

Your narrowed minded world view is disappointing, and your lack empathy 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I already do, I pay tax, and my country do humanitarian work all over the world, as well run Nordbatt Unified where many of my friends served. Some Damaged for life mentally and physically.

 

They went pro Isreal, came back pro Palestinian after they learned how it really was, and not only western Israel pro propaganda. I was to enroll myself, but because of one incident of disciplinary reasons prevented me from go.  Would say I was lucky. 

 

The government foundings to rebuild palestine is founded by tax moneys.

 

Your narrowed minded world view is disappointing, and your lack empathy 

How do you know your country will be contributing to rebuilding Gaza where it was damaged because of Hamas using the civilian infrastructure to hide and launch its rockets from along with all the tunnels underneath? I heard Qatar is eager to help.

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

How do you know your country will be contributing to rebuilding Gaza where it was damaged because of Hamas using the civilian infrastructure to hide and launch its rockets from along with all the tunnels underneath? I heard Qatar is eager to help.

Do not worry, they will, Im sure of it, we have  long relationship and sympathy with the area after Norbatt contribution, where word got out how the real situation was on the ground, and not only propaganda targeting news favouring Israel. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Hummin said:

Do not worry, they will, Im sure of it, we have  long relationship and sympathy with the area after Norbatt contribution, where word got out how the real situation was on the ground, and not only propaganda targeting news favouring Israel. 

Who said I was worrying but so long as you're sure then that's all Gaza needs 

[thaibeachlovers]

40 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Palestinians  came to Israel from the surrounding Countries , they would just be going back to where they came from 

LOL. Perhaps the israelis can go back where they came from too.

Even the early Israelites came from somewhere else.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

The archaeological record indicates that the culture that later evolved into the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

How do you know your country will be contributing to rebuilding Gaza where it was damaged because of Hamas using the civilian infrastructure to hide and launch its rockets from along with all the tunnels underneath? I heard Qatar is eager to help.

 

I don't think that Gazans want Israel to rebuild anything. They would prefer to rely on international assistance.  They know it would just mean more illegal Israeli settlements. If Israel was in charge of rebuilding then it would be planned by Israelis instead of Palestinians and Israeli construction companies would benefit from any international financial assistance, instead of Palestinian construction companies.

 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Perhaps the israelis can go back where they came from too.

Even the early Israelites came from somewhere else.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

The archaeological record indicates that the culture that later evolved into the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (

 

 

 

Jews came to Israel much earlier than Arabs. If you go back far enough we're all from Africa and native Americans aren't native Americans as they crossed from Siberia. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

I don't think that Gazans want Israel to rebuild anything. They would prefer to rely on international assistance.  They know it would just mean more illegal Israeli settlements.

There were none in Gaza.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

There were none in Gaza.

 

I know. There are plenty in the West Bank. That's what Palestinians don't want to see in Gaza.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I don't think that Gazans want Israel to rebuild anything. They would prefer to rely on international assistance.  They know it would just mean more illegal Israeli settlements. If Israel was in charge of rebuilding then it would be planned by Israelis instead of Palestinians and Israeli construction companies would benefit from any international financial assistance, instead of Palestinian construction companies.

 

I don't think that Gazans want Israel to rebuild anything. 

 

Then they are in luck aren't they:

 

Israel Is Counting on Middle East Neighbors to Help Rebuild Gaza

https://archive.ph/5e2Wo

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

I know. There are plenty in the West Bank. That's what Palestinians don't want to see in Gaza.

Israel abandoned settlements in Gaza before.

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

I don't think that Gazans want Israel to rebuild anything. 

 

Then they are in luck aren't they:

 

Israel Is Counting on Middle East Neighbors to Help Rebuild Gaza

https://archive.ph/5e2Wo

 

 

Translation: Israel doesn't want to contribute a shekel.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Jews came to Israel much earlier than Arabs. If you go back far enough we're all from Africa and native Americans aren't native Americans as they crossed from Siberia. 

How do you prove your ethnicity to earn the right to emigrate to Israel? 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Translation: Israel doesn't want to contribute a shekel.

Your translation only, not worth much after your initial post

[WDSmart]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There were none in Gaza.

Here's a link disputing that... Israel's Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession - Amnesty International

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How do you prove your ethnicity to earn the right to emigrate to Israel? 

 

 

 

Off topic but it's based on the law of return. Roughly for that a Jew is a person who had a Jewish mother but there are other ways for converts, non Jewish spouses including same sex spouses, etc.

[WDSmart]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Israel abandoned settlements in Gaza before.

 

Yes, and now they want to establish them again. How Israeli settlers are expanding illegal outposts amid Gaza war | Israel War on Gaza | Al Jazeera

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Off topic but it's based on the law of return. Roughly for that a Jew is a person who had a Jewish mother but there are other ways for converts, spouses, etc.

It is one of the main reason for constantly need of more land! So right on topic, because the new settlers is one of the reasons for the 7 october attack. Shouldnt be a big brainer really to understand

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, and now they want to establish them again. How Israeli settlers are expanding illegal outposts amid Gaza war | Israel War on Gaza | Al Jazeera

They?

It's not current Israeli government policy.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The writing is on the wall. Israel will get the future it deserves.

 

There is still a narrow path out of the hellscape of Gaza. A temporary ceasefire and hostage release could cause a change of Israel’s government; the rump of Hamas fighters in south Gaza could be contained or fade away; and from the rubble, talks on a two-state solution could begin, underwritten by America and its Gulf allies. It is just as likely, however, that ceasefire talks will fail. That could leave Israel locked in the bleakest trajectory of its 75-year existence, featuring endless occupation, hard-right politics and isolation. Today many Israelis are in denial about this, but a political reckoning will come eventually. It will determine not only the fate of Palestinians, but also whether Israel thrives in the next 75 years.

 

Israel’s trajectory will intensify its ethno-nationalist politics and pose legal threats to the economy. As estrangement from the West deepens, so deterrence may weaken. Firms could be blacklisted. Bosses could move high-tech businesses abroad or, if they are reservists, be arrested there.

 

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/03/21/at-a-moment-of-military-might-israel-looks-deeply-vulnerable

 

https://archive.is/EsctK

Agree. The reckoning is coming.

 

I see something like the anti apartheid campaign happening, and it will happen despite American protests and vetoes in the UN. How can it not? 

IMO this conflict is becoming a battle for the soul of humanity. Will the world ( outside it's leaders ) allow the atrocity to continue, or not?

Is humanity on the side of those that bomb small children to death, or on the side of the children.

 

It's a pretty clear choice, IMO. There isn't much grey between a living and a dead child, and there are thousands of dead children already.

 

When it's all over, I hope those dead children haunt the dreams of those that sent the bombs to kill them. I doubt any other penalty will happen to those that collude in the bombing. Despite lofty words about peace on Earth, our leaders seem to rejoice in killing, or at least seem reluctant to stop it happening.

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Off topic but it's based on the law of return. Roughly for that a Jew is a person who had a Jewish mother but there are other ways for converts, non Jewish spouses including same sex spouses, etc.

Establishing Jerusalem as Israel capital is another reason, and prove the lack of understanding of the citys importance for every etnic group and religion in the area.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is one of the main reason for constantly need of more land! So right on topic, because the new settlers is one of the reasons for the 7 october attack. Shouldnt be a big brainer really to understand

Like everything in the conflict it's complicated.

The numbers of people moving to Israel are not very high but yes Israel promotes that. Housing prices in normal Israel are very high so some are attracted to the west bank for affordable housing rather than right wing ideology. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Hummin said:

Establishing Jerusalem as Israel capital is another reason, and prove the lack of understanding of the citys importance for every etnic group and religion in the area.

Part of Jerusalem. 

Sorry but every sovereign nation has the right to determine their capitol.

 

[Hummin]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Part of Jerusalem. 

Sorry but every sovereign nation has the right to determine their capitol.

 

Well, the world disagree with you. Who recognize Jerusalem as their capital? 

 

It is an important question related to 7 october.