Trump pledges to free Jan. 6 rioters in early act as president if elected

[bendejo]

9 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

What they did was as UNPATRIOTIC as it gets and shame on those who defend such criminals.

 

Keep your shirt on, it was sarcasm. 

My compass needle points to those jolly fellows who put together the Charlottesville tiki-torch rally in 2017.  A week or two later the authorities caught up with the guy who organized it and he literally shed tears while being arrested, saying he didn't mean all that stuff he posted and so on.  So much for the blood of patriots and all that snot.

Every so often a political movement will seize a word and not many will realize it has been redefined.  First one I recall catching was mandate, back in the Reagan years:  whenever the GOP came out ahead it was a mandate, even if they won by only 1%.  "Pro life" is a great one, notice that most who oppose abortion tend to support the death penalty.

I hope people realize a US patriot is now someone against having an ordered and democratic government, and wants to increase Russian and not quite post Soviet Eastern European authoritarian influence in the US. 

IMO if DT manages to get re-elected he will be brought to heel from within his administration by the likes of Flynn and Harlan Crow.  Those most fervent MAGA fans will be the first to go, I refer you to how that little guy with the moustache cleansed his regime of the loyalists that got him installed back in the 1930s.

 

[frank83628]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

Yes. It's much more efficient.

not sure how, it's cctv footage.

 

Edited March 14 by frank83628
really cant be arsed with this guy

[Tug]

14 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

Keep your shirt on, it was sarcasm. 

My compass needle points to those jolly fellows who put together the Charlottesville tiki-torch rally in 2017.  A week or two later the authorities caught up with the guy who organized it and he literally shed tears while being arrested, saying he didn't mean all that stuff he posted and so on.  So much for the blood of patriots and all that snot.

Every so often a political movement will seize a word and not many will realize it has been redefined.  First one I recall catching was mandate, back in the Reagan years:  whenever the GOP came out ahead it was a mandate, even if they won by only 1%.  "Pro life" is a great one, notice that most who oppose abortion tend to support the death penalty.

I hope people realize a US patriot is now someone against having an ordered and democratic government, and wants to increase Russian and not quite post Soviet Eastern European authoritarian influence in the US. 

IMO if DT manages to get re-elected he will be brought to heel from within his administration by the likes of Flynn and Harlan Crow.  Those most fervent MAGA fans will be the first to go, I refer you to how that little guy with the moustache cleansed his regime of the loyalists that got him installed back in the 1930s.

 

I agree wholeheartedly they can drape themselves in the flag and call themselves a patriot but they are either ignorant stupid or a liar.period all stop 🛑 patriots do not accept anyone insulting pows period especially draft dodging New York City trust fund baby’s .all stop 🛑 especially a pow that could have got out early but chose to stay with his shipmates and devoted his life in service to our great country.patriots do not follow a person who is more of an asset of our enemy than our country period all stop 🛑 

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, gargamon said:

Trump stupidily thinks this will get him more votes in the election. It only excites the MAGA rubes who would have voted for him anyway. It will cost him undecideds and independents. 

It may not get him any more votes as I can't vote in the US, but he's doing the right thing IMO. the treatment they have been getting is IMO worse that some that committed far worse crimes, and is just revenge IMO.

 

You win, Mr Trump and set things right. Build that wall too.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It may not get him any more votes as I can't vote in the US, but he's doing the right thing IMO. the treatment they have been getting is IMO worse that some that committed far worse crimes, and is just revenge IMO.

 

You win, Mr Trump and set things right. Build that wall too.

By the same argument he’s not losing your vote.

 

He is however losing the votes of moderate Republicans and the swing voters he would need to win the election.

 

 

[johng]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

OK, I'll bite:  Why do you think this is significant?

They are significant because they where found near to the vice president on the day,  when they where reported to police stationed nearby outside the vice presidents office  they casually dealt with the situation  even letting some school children pass right by the bench

the area should have been swept for bombs etc in the hours before but weren't found   the timers on the bombs could only have been set a few hours before hand.  It's been postulated that these bombs where known about before hand  hence the casual  police actions and that they may have been a backup plan in case "insurrection day"  at the Capitol failed to materialise.

 

Strangely  Kamala Harris and MSN never mention this grave threat to her life on "insurrection day"

 

The person setting the bombs is on CCTV footage but  yet to be apprehended.

[herfiehandbag]

19 hours ago, johng said:

One was shot and died that day.

Others imprisonment without trail  ,grossly inflated sentences for many.

Overall nothing more than a witch hunt an affront to the right to protest  and "democracy" itself.

Shot whilst battering down the door behind which people the rioters were "coming for" were sheltering!

[herfiehandbag]

On 3/14/2024 at 4:37 AM, Social Media said:

Trump's pledge to release Jan. 6 rioters, if realized, would undoubtedly have far-reaching ramifications, raising questions about the rule of law, the integrity of the justice system, and the preservation of democratic norms.

Trumps entire campaigns raison-d'etre is to remove the rule of law, destroy the justice system and remove democratic norms.

 

He is after all "on the run" from the rule of law. Long accustomed to cheating, lying, bullying and getting away with questionable sexual behaviour, the Presidency led him to believe his own hubris. When he lost the Presidency, despite a blatant attempt to "remove democratic norms", and found himself facing the consequences of both that and the years of lying, cheating, fraud and groping, his only recourse was to regain the Presidency, and try to use it to overturn the rule of law, and destroy the justice system that is after him.

 

If he gets in, the rule of law and the justice system will be finished. You won't get it back! 250 years of work pissed up against the wall to serve the ego of a corrupt fraudulent bully.

 

I don't like Biden, he is a foolish "plastic paddy", but he is not a corrupt fraudulent bully!

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, candide said:

Lame deflection. Even according to Fox News, you were wrong! 😀

Lame deflection? If you bothered to read your own link you would see that Fox basically repeats the same story as I linked. The only thing that contradicts it, is Cheyney! I'll stay where I am for now and see what develops.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Trumps entire campaigns raison-d'etre is to remove the rule of law, destroy the justice system and remove democratic norms.

 

He is after all "on the run" from the rule of law. Long accustomed to cheating, lying, bullying and getting away with questionable sexual behaviour, the Presidency led him to believe his own hubris. When he lost the Presidency, despite a blatant attempt to "remove democratic norms", and found himself facing the consequences of both that and the years of lying, cheating, fraud and groping, his only recourse was to regain the Presidency, and try to use it to overturn the rule of law, and destroy the justice system that is after him.

 

If he gets in, the rule of law and the justice system will be finished. You won't get it back! 250 years of work pissed up against the wall to serve the ego of a corrupt fraudulent bully.

 

I don't like Biden, he is a foolish "plastic paddy", but he is not a corrupt fraudulent bully!

 

Hopefully, we'll find out the truth of your last line some day.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Hopefully, we'll find out the truth of your last line some day.

I see the Republican’s have given up on their latest attempt to fabricate evidence against Biden.

 

So don’t hold your breath.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/13/house-gop-biden-impeachment-plans-00146622

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see the Republican’s have given up on their latest attempt to fabricate evidence against Biden.

 

So don’t hold your breath.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/13/house-gop-biden-impeachment-plans-00146622

 

If you care to read your own link properly, you might see that your claim is false. The GOP are not trying to fabricate anything but they have been trying for months to gather evidence. As Comer has repeatedly said, that gathering process has been continuously slowed by the stonewalling of the Biden-sympathetic FBI & DOJ. 

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

If you care to read your own link properly, you might see that your claim is false. The GOP are not trying to fabricate anything but they have been trying for months to gather evidence. As Comer has repeatedly said, that gathering process has been continuously slowed by the stonewalling of the Biden-sympathetic FBI & DOJ. 

Of course they aren’t.

 

They just lose witnesses and the witnesses they food have turn up to deny they have any evidence.

[nauseus]

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course they aren’t.

 

They just lose witnesses and the witnesses they food have turn up to deny they have any evidence.

 

Well that's certainly food for thought! 

[G_Money]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

By the same argument he’s not losing your vote.

 

He is however losing the votes of moderate Republicans and the swing voters he would need to win the election.

 

 

If you say so it must be true.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

If you say so it must be true.

Yes, isn't it great.................

[candide]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Lame deflection? If you bothered to read your own link you would see that Fox basically repeats the same story as I linked. The only thing that contradicts it, is Cheyney! I'll stay where I am for now and see what develops.

You wrote:

 

And there are recent reports that Trump did, in fact, offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol (via Mark Meadows) but this was turned down (apparently by Pelosi and Bowser).

 

1. It was not Pelosi

"Loudermilk on Friday released a transcript of Ornato’s interview with the committee that details how he allegedly overheard then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows asking D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser to request as much protection for D.C. as she needed."

 

2. It was not the Capitol

"I remember he had – he was on the phone with [Bowser], and we – I had walked in for something, and I was there, and he was on the phone with her and wanted to make sure she had everything that she needed. Because I think it was the concern of anti and pro groups clashing is what I recall. And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event; and wanted to know if she needed any more guardsmen," Ornato responded, according to the transcript reviewed by Fox News Digital. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-allegedly-suppressed-testimony-showing-trump-admin-pushed-national-guard-presence-report

 

Corroborated by Miller's testimony

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/

 

So it confirms Trump was lying. Not Pelosi and not the Capitol

[candide]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see the Republican’s have given up on their latest attempt to fabricate evidence against Biden.

 

So don’t hold your breath.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/13/house-gop-biden-impeachment-plans-00146622

It was never meant to be a real investigation, just a way to publicly smear Joe Biden.

And the propaganda campaign is not over. They will make baseless criminal referrals Which will be rejected by the DOJ for lack of evidence, and then they will accuse the DOJ of being politicised.

 

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

You wrote:

 

And there are recent reports that Trump did, in fact, offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol (via Mark Meadows) but this was turned down (apparently by Pelosi and Bowser).

 

1. It was not Pelosi

"Loudermilk on Friday released a transcript of Ornato’s interview with the committee that details how he allegedly overheard then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows asking D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser to request as much protection for D.C. as she needed."

 

2. It was not the Capitol

"I remember he had – he was on the phone with [Bowser], and we – I had walked in for something, and I was there, and he was on the phone with her and wanted to make sure she had everything that she needed. Because I think it was the concern of anti and pro groups clashing is what I recall. And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event; and wanted to know if she needed any more guardsmen," Ornato responded, according to the transcript reviewed by Fox News Digital. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-allegedly-suppressed-testimony-showing-trump-admin-pushed-national-guard-presence-report

 

Corroborated by Miller's testimony

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/

 

So it confirms Trump was lying. Not Pelosi and not the Capitol

 

It confirms nothing.

 

The National Guard was offered to protect the Capitol through Mark Meadows. From the conversation overheard by Ornato, one concern was evidently about opposing groups possibly clashing in surrounding areas, like the mall.

 

Pelosi was named in the link. She was always very quiet about this.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Shot whilst battering down the door behind which people the rioters were "coming for" were sheltering!

You need to provide a link for that or you are making it up.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Shot whilst battering down the door behind which people the rioters were "coming for" were sheltering!

Actually you are making it it up. Took me just a couple of minutes to find the true version.

 

I bet you don't apologise for making it up though.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/14/officer-who-killed-capitol-rioter-ashli-babbitt-wont-be-charged-doj-says.html

[candide]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

It confirms nothing.

 

The National Guard was offered to protect the Capitol through Mark Meadows. From the conversation overheard by Ornato, one concern was evidently about opposing groups possibly clashing in surrounding areas, like the mall.

 

Pelosi was named in the link. She was always very quiet about this.

 

 

 

I checked in your linked source. Pelosi is never mentioned. (Which makes sense as she had never been in charge of security at the Capitol).

 

I showed a quote from Ornato's testimony, from the Fox News article. He said:

 

"And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event"

 

I find it funny that MAGA's sources confirm Trump was lying (if needed). He did ask for the national guard's support but:

- it was not to protect the protest,

- and Pelosi was not inolved

[candide]

10 hours ago, frank83628 said:

not sure how, it's cctv footage.

 

Fair point

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

 

I checked in your linked source. Pelosi is never mentioned. (Which makes sense as she had never been in charge of security at the Capitol).

 

I showed a quote from Ornato's testimony, from the Fox News article. He said:

 

"And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event"

 

I find it funny that MAGA's sources confirm Trump was lying (if needed). He did ask for the national guard's support but:

- it was not to protect the protest,

- and Pelosi was not inolved

 

Even after your convenient editing you interpretation misses the mark.

 

Here, try this direct piece from the link:

 

Mr. Ornato’s testimony proves what Mr. Meadows has said all along: President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down," Georgia Republican Rep. Barry Loudermilk said in a statement on Friday.

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

 

I checked in your linked source. Pelosi is never mentioned. (Which makes sense as she had never been in charge of security at the Capitol).

 

I showed a quote from Ornato's testimony, from the Fox News article. He said:

 

"And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event"

 

I find it funny that MAGA's sources confirm Trump was lying (if needed). He did ask for the national guard's support but:

- it was not to protect the protest,

- and Pelosi was not inolved

 

Pelosi was mentioned in this one:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-allegedly-suppressed-testimony-showing-trump-admin-pushed-national-guard-presence-report

 

Twice

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, johng said:

They are significant because they where found near to the vice president on the day,  when they where reported to police stationed nearby outside the vice presidents office  they casually dealt with the situation  even letting some school children pass right by the bench

the area should have been swept for bombs etc in the hours before but weren't found   the timers on the bombs could only have been set a few hours before hand.  It's been postulated that these bombs where known about before hand  hence the casual  police actions and that they may have been a backup plan in case "insurrection day"  at the Capitol failed to materialise.

 

Strangely  Kamala Harris and MSN never mention this grave threat to her life on "insurrection day"

 

The person setting the bombs is on CCTV footage but  yet to be apprehended.

Are you suggesting the deep state under Trump was attempting to disrupt the proceedings to certify the election results so Trump could remain President?

 

I don't think so, but it is certainly a more credible conspiracy theory than most.

[candide]

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Even after your convenient editing you interpretation misses the mark.

 

Here, try this direct piece from the link:

 

Mr. Ornato’s testimony proves what Mr. Meadows has said all along: President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down," Georgia Republican Rep. Barry Loudermilk said in a statement on Friday.

Lol! That's what Loudermilk said, not Ornato! 😀

This is becoming pathetic....

 

Ornato said:

"I remember he had – he was on the phone with [Bowser], and we – I had walked in for something, and I was there, and he was on the phone with her and wanted to make sure she had everything that she needed. Because I think it was the concern of anti and pro groups clashing is what I recall. And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event; and wanted to know if she needed any more guardsmen," Ornato responded, according to the transcript reviewed by Fox News Digital. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-allegedly-suppressed-testimony-showing-trump-admin-pushed-national-guard-presence-report

[candide]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Pelosi was mentioned in this one:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-allegedly-suppressed-testimony-showing-trump-admin-pushed-national-guard-presence-report

 

Twice

Pathetic, indeed!

 

She was cited....by Trump! 😀 😀

 

"Trump has long claimed that he requested the National Guard but that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., failed to act on the request."

[frank83628]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

Pathetic, indeed!

 

She was cited....by Trump! 😀 😀

 

"Trump has long claimed that he requested the National Guard but that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., failed to act on the request."

however the offer of the guards was made.

[johng]

41 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Are you suggesting the deep state under Trump was attempting to disrupt the proceedings to certify the election results so Trump could remain President?

No I think you got hold of the wrong end of the  stick.