Scotland's controversial new hate crime laws come into force

[johnnybangkok]

11 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

All the old tough Scotsman I knew as a young Prison guard in Australia back in the 1980's,they were the most resilient , something like 70% of the jail in Australia was Scottish prison officers.

 

The bosses  old Jock and Pat Armstrong  would be rolling in his  grave  at this current Scots  generation of limp wrists 

 

They were toughest prison officers  I ever worked with ,the only ones who could stick out a job in a Sydney Jail for so long ,,a few went back to Scotland after they retired , mind you a few Irish prison officers too but they had short tempers unlike the Scotsman who remained calm under pressure 

 

This current Scots are weak 

 

I don't know what I'm talking about ,look at your country,Hamzi Hamzi is running it FFS ....but no one told you ....you didnt know ...not the smartest fish in the tank Johnny son , no one told you I know Hamzi blah blah is running it ...and he is even wearing a kilt ...what a joke 

 

 

 

As I said, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[Old Croc]

Not Scotland, but close, and very much on topic. Australian female soccer captain, Chelsea striker and one of the best players on the planet, Sam Kerr, has been charged with a "hate" crime in Britain. She was the Australian flag bearer at the coronation of the King.

 

From Wiki

"In Twickenham on 30 January 2023, Kerr was detained overnight after an incident outside a police station involving a dispute over a taxi fare, as well as allegedly vomiting in the cab and calling an attending police officer a "stupid white bastard".^[168][169] On 21 January 2024, Kerr was charged with racially aggravated harassment against a police officer during the incident. She has disputed this, saying that she called him a "stupid white cop", and has pleaded not guilty to the charge,"

 

Incredibly, the police refuse to drop these petty charges from a drunk shooting off their mouth upon arrest. When did the Bobbies become so sensitive and easily offended by drunken rants?

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Incredibly, the police refuse to drop these petty charges from a drunk shooting off their mouth upon arrest. When did the Bobbies become so sensitive and easily offended by drunken rants?

 

Would you feel the same if a white drunk called a black police officer a "Stupid black bastard"? 

[Chomper Higgot]

As stated above, Rowling hasn’t broken the law.

 

Maybe she needs to push the envelope if she wants to be arrested.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/02/jk-rowling-will-not-be-arrested-under-new-scottish-hate-law-say-police

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As stated above, Rowling hasn’t broken the law.

 

Maybe she needs to push the envelope if she wants to be arrested.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/02/jk-rowling-will-not-be-arrested-under-new-scottish-hate-law-say-police

 

Have the leftist trans activists that threatened to rape, beat and kill her been arrested yet?

[Old Croc]

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Would you feel the same if a white drunk called a black police officer a "Stupid black bastard"? 

yes.

 

Abuse is a normal part of the job. Coppers shouldn't be reacting this way.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

yes.

 

Abuse is a normal part of the job. Coppers shouldn't be reacting this way.

 

Racist abuse is not part of being a police officer, nor any job for that matter. 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Have the leftist trans activists that threatened to rape, beat and kill her been arrested yet?

If that is indeed who made the threats.

 

Pass any information you have on their identities to the police.

 

 

[Old Croc]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Racist abuse is not part of being a police officer, nor any job for that matter. 

Of course it is part of it!  

 

Did you mean to say it shouldn't be part of it?

 

 

 

 

[Kinok Farang]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Racist abuse is not part of being a police officer, nor any job for that matter. 

 

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Racist abuse is not part of being a police officer, nor any job for that matter. 

Off topic here but is JonnyF short for Johnny Fart Pants?

[JonnyF]

28 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Not Scotland, but close, and very much on topic. Australian female soccer captain, Chelsea striker and one of the best players on the planet, Sam Kerr, has been charged with a "hate" crime in Britain. She was the Australian flag bearer at the coronation of the King.

 

These female football players have quite the sense of entitlement.

 

It was only last weekend that Emma Hayes furiously pushed Jonas Eidevall at the final whistle before accusing HIM of "male aggression".  Quite the projection, I hope she appreciates irony. 😄

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68705202

 

 

Lucky she wasn't in Scotland, since I believe insults based on gender are verboten by the hate monster. 

 

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If that is indeed who made the threats.

 

Oooh - great point, maybe it was an agent provocateur just giving the trans lobby a bad name 😄

 

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Pass any information you have on their identities to the police.

 

 

 

Wouldn't waste my time. This law is not intended to silence the pro trans lobby and will not be used for such. 

[Old Croc]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

These female football players have quite the sense of entitlement.

 

It was only last weekend that Emma Hayes furiously pushed Jonas Eidevall at the final whistle before accusing HIM of "male aggression".  Quite the projection, I hope she appreciates irony. 😄

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68705202

 

 

Lucky she wasn't in Scotland, since I believe insults based on gender are verboten by the hate monster. 

 

I wasn't defending Kerr.  She, and her brother Daniel, who was a star AFL footballer, have both acted stupidly when on the sauce. 

I was pointing out the absurdity of a copper being offended by normal drunken abuse. Even more stupid because of the high profile of the one he has decided to charge in this way. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Oooh - great point, maybe it was an agent provocateur just giving the trans lobby a bad name 😄

 

 

Wouldn't waste my time. This law is not intended to silence the pro trans lobby and will not be used for such. 

Maybe it was some internet troll, there’s a lot of the about. 
 

Assuming a ‘pro trans lobby’ exists and have broken the law and of course the grievance laced assumption of what the law is for.

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

 

Off topic here but is JonnyF short for Johnny Fart Pants?

 

Hilarious. If I were 7 years old and still reading The Beano.

 

Perhaps KeeMaa Farang would have been more fitting for you? 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

I wasn't defending Kerr.  She, and her brother Daniel, who was a star AFL footballer, have both acted stupidly when on the sauce. 

I was pointing out the absurdity of a copper being offended by normal drunken abuse. Even more stupid because of the high profile of the one he has decided to charge in this way. 

 

Racist abuse is not normal abuse. 

[norfolkandchance]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Hilarious. If I were 7 years old and still reading The Beano.

 

Perhaps KeeMaa Farang would have been more fitting for you? 

Or Viz.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

My only comment is that if you still believe that Hitlers Government in Germany was far-right, you have not taken a close and rational and logical look at what is happening all around the world, and you are (still?) believing the ledft wing media.  Left wing Governments are the ones that imposed the most draconian and harshest rules during Covid and they were all in favour of the removal of people's rights. Left wing Governments all over the world are becomming more and more draconian in their imposition of Laws to force the People to 'comply' with their centralised ideologies.  China is not far-right.  Nth Korea is not far-right.  Russia is not far right. Muslim countries are not far right. What is happening in Scotland is the reality of a left-wing Government - they just get worse and worse over time.

 

Hitler's Party was named the National Socialist German Workers Party - they were yuet another variation of the far-left. There is only one thing that is the clear and absolute differentiater of left-wing from right-wing Goverments - and that is People's rights and freedoms.  Whether those 'rights' come from a God or from a Constitution or from Both - the right wing political parties are very much in favour of giving People rights and freedoms.  Left wing political parties are in favour of centralised committees making the rules, and that always results in the removal of People's rights and freedoms, when they conflict with their own ideologies. The political world is turning back to the right because more and more People are realising what is what and who is who. Maybe the reality of what is happening in Scotland will make more People realise the truth.

 

[Kinok Farang]

22 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Hilarious. If I were 7 years old and still reading The Beano.

 

Perhaps KeeMaa Farang would have been more fitting for you? 

Temper temper!

[Old Croc]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Racist abuse is not normal abuse. 

It is normal in some jobs (i.e. common).

Obviously, it shouldn't be, but the world has a long way to go before it is eliminated. One copper being precious about one very minor incident won't change anything.

I've made hundreds of arrests of some of the worst people on the planet, including whole boatloads (literally) of Iraqis and Afghans. I've, been abused in any way you can imagine, up to and including death threats. Some I took very seriously because of the known character of the person making them, but charging them for spoken words was never a consideration.

 

You need to step down from your ivory tower and look at the real world.

[ballpoint]

Johnathon Pie, doing what he does best and telling it like it is:

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

22 hours ago, ballpoint said:

Johnathon Pie, doing what he does best and telling it like it is:

 

 

Spot on as usual. Love Jonathan Pie.

[johnnybangkok]

On 4/3/2024 at 11:09 AM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

My only comment is that if you still believe that Hitlers Government in Germany was far-right, you have not taken a close and rational and logical look at what is happening all around the world, and you are (still?) believing the ledft wing media.  Left wing Governments are the ones that imposed the most draconian and harshest rules during Covid and they were all in favour of the removal of people's rights. Left wing Governments all over the world are becomming more and more draconian in their imposition of Laws to force the People to 'comply' with their centralised ideologies.  China is not far-right.  Nth Korea is not far-right.  Russia is not far right. Muslim countries are not far right. What is happening in Scotland is the reality of a left-wing Government - they just get worse and worse over time.

 

Hitler's Party was named the National Socialist German Workers Party - they were yuet another variation of the far-left. There is only one thing that is the clear and absolute differentiater of left-wing from right-wing Goverments - and that is People's rights and freedoms.  Whether those 'rights' come from a God or from a Constitution or from Both - the right wing political parties are very much in favour of giving People rights and freedoms.  Left wing political parties are in favour of centralised committees making the rules, and that always results in the removal of People's rights and freedoms, when they conflict with their own ideologies. The political world is turning back to the right because more and more People are realising what is what and who is who. Maybe the reality of what is happening in Scotland will make more People realise the truth.

 

You really went all out there didn't you sunshine? 'Hitler's Party was named the National Socialist German Workers Party - they were yet another variation of the far-left' Are you being serious? I think you would struggle to be more far-right than the actual Nazi's.

 

You trying to conflate misguided but essentially well-meaning Scottish politicians with the Nazi's is some of the most extreme gaslighting we have seen on this site (and that's saying something). 

 

And don't get me started on 'right wing political parties are very much in favour of giving People rights and freedoms. Do you want to try that statement on the women who are being refused abortions or the GOP's continued gerrymandering and erosion of voting right for minorities? That is some echo chamber you inhabit. 

 

A ridiculous post that deserves complete derision.

 

 

[JonnyF]

On 4/3/2024 at 11:16 AM, Old Croc said:

It is normal in some jobs (i.e. common).

 

It is not normal. You are trying to normalize it. There is no excuse for racially abusing police, nurses, firemen etc. Their jobs are hard enough without people making excuses for those racially abusing them while they work. 

 

On 4/3/2024 at 11:16 AM, Old Croc said:

Obviously, it shouldn't be, but the world has a long way to go before it is eliminated. One copper being precious about one very minor incident won't change anything.

 

Yes, and it won't be eliminated while people are trying to normalize it. If people were prosecuted for racial abuse they would be less likely to do it. I'm not saying lock her up and throw away the key, but maybe a fine and some community service cleaning up vomit from public transport (given her propensity for vomiting in taxis) and associated loss of face might make her think twice about her entitled, brattish, racist behaviour.

 

On 4/3/2024 at 11:16 AM, Old Croc said:

I've made hundreds of arrests of some of the worst people on the planet, including whole boatloads (literally) of Iraqis and Afghans. I've, been abused in any way you can imagine, up to and including death threats. Some I took very seriously because of the known character of the person making them, but charging them for spoken words was never a consideration.

 

Don't tell me... SAS? 😄

 

Actually don't tell me, because then you'd have to kill me .

[Old Croc]

52 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

It is not normal. You are trying to normalize it. There is no excuse for racially abusing police, nurses, firemen etc. Their jobs are hard enough without people making excuses for those racially abusing them while they work. 

 

 

Yes, and it won't be eliminated while people are trying to normalize it. If people were prosecuted for racial abuse they would be less likely to do it. I'm not saying lock her up and throw away the key, but maybe a fine and some community service cleaning up vomit from public transport (given her propensity for vomiting in taxis) and associated loss of face might make her think twice about her entitled, brattish, racist behaviour.

 

 

Don't tell me... SAS? 😄

 

Actually don't tell me, because then you'd have to kill me .

Brainless tosser.

[JonnyF]

23 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Brainless tosser.

 

For someone who thinks anyone objecting to racist language is being overly sensitive, you do seem very easily upset 😄.

 

 

[ballpoint]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

You really went all out there didn't you sunshine? 'Hitler's Party was named the National Socialist German Workers Party - they were yet another variation of the far-left' Are you being serious? I think you would struggle to be more far-right than the actual Nazi's.

 

You trying to conflate misguided but essentially well-meaning Scottish politicians with the Nazi's is some of the most extreme gaslighting we have seen on this site (and that's saying something). 

 

And don't get me started on 'right wing political parties are very much in favour of giving People rights and freedoms. Do you want to try that statement on the women who are being refused abortions or the GOP's continued gerrymandering and erosion of voting right for minorities? That is some echo chamber you inhabit. 

 

A ridiculous post that deserves complete derision.

 

 

 

No doubt he believes that the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy run by the people too.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

9 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

You really went all out there didn't you sunshine? 'Hitler's Party was named the National Socialist German Workers Party - they were yet another variation of the far-left' Are you being serious? I think you would struggle to be more far-right than the actual Nazi's.

You trying to conflate misguided but essentially well-meaning Scottish politicians with the Nazi's is some of the most extreme gaslighting we have seen on this site (and that's saying something). 

And don't get me started on 'right wing political parties are very much in favour of giving People rights and freedoms. Do you want to try that statement on the women who are being refused abortions or the GOP's continued gerrymandering and erosion of voting right for minorities? That is some echo chamber you inhabit. 

A ridiculous post that deserves complete derision.

"Refused abortions" and "voting rights for minorities" clearly shows your extreme left wing ideology - I wont bother trying to correct your views.  But for those that are genuinely not puppets of the far left Democrats in USA and those other mad left Govts all around the world (like in Scotland) I will offer this link - try to read it impartially and not from a viewpoint of cognitive bias.

Was Hitler Really Right-Wing? | Mises Institute

 

The essence of right wing is personal freedoms and accountability with minimal State control of the people's economic and social lives - Reagan was classic right wing. The essence of the left wing is moderation of personal liberties and freedoms though Government intervention and the control of most aspects of people's econoomic and social lives - Clinton was classic left wing.

 

Progressive and Woke is the left - Authoritarian and Freedoms is the right. Left is about equality of outcomes - Right is about equality of opportunities.   When you view those ideals, it is clear that a bit of both is the ideal balance, and that is why we basically have 2 parties in many western countries. 

 

Hitler's political ideologoies were the worst of the far right and the far left. To state the Nazi Party did not start as left wing and also keep those centralised controls over the people's economic and social lives is delusional - as is it delusional to also state that they did not adopt the worst of the far right. 

 

Right-wing politics - Wikipedia  Take a read - it is interesting read and could enlighten some people.  Everyone that does not agree with lewft wing political ideologies is not a far-right Nazi, but that it is much used criticism thrown by the left wing these days - especially when criticised with facts and logic about their latest silly ideaology which they want to enshrine in laws - which in Scotland right now they have done and called them 'hate speech laws'.  Have you not read 1984 or Animal Farm? Perhaps you did not learn the lessons on offer.  Big Brother is very much a left wing construct. 

[Old Croc]

20 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

For someone who thinks anyone objecting to racist language is being overly sensitive, you do seem very easily upset 😄.

 

 

Not upset, never said anything like that, just disagreed with your assertions that this type of language doesn't exist and gave examples from my experiences.

When you decided to call me a liar, living a fantasy, I gave my assessment of your intellect and personality.  Not everyone on this forum spent their life like you delivering letters in Scunthorpe.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Not upset, never said anything like that, just disagreed with your assertions that this type of language doesn't exist and gave examples from my experiences.

 

Of course it exists, the difference is that you are saying racially abusing a cop is normal/acceptable and I am saying it is not. 

 

3 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

When you decided to call me a liar, living a fantasy, I gave my assessment of your intellect and personality. 

 

 

 

We've all heard the special forces stories so forgive me if I don't take them too seriously. Usually starts like this...

 

[Man in singlet walks into MeFriendYou bar in Pattaya]. "Sangsom with soda, shaken not stirred. The name's Croc, Ooollldddd Croc". 😄 

 

3 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Not everyone on this forum spent their life like you delivering letters in Scunthorpe.

 

Never been to Scunthorpe, but I did have a paper round in Bristol when I was 12. I'm afraid I can't give any more details than that, it's highly classified.