Embattled deputy police chief claims PM has abused authority

[sammieuk1]

Next up Big Joke in a Small Barrel in a Big River as he is saying he has a lot of evidence to show and back up his claims 🤔

[AAArdvark]

Witch hunt!

Wait, that's  the other guy on trial. 

[Maejo Man]

33 minutes ago, Caldera said:

What a guy, what a country. I need more popcorn. 

I'm half way through my first bag for this one. 😉

[webfact]

Deputy police chief charges Thai prime minister with malfeasance
by Mitch Connor

 

Thailand Deputy National Police Chief Surachate “Big Joke” Hakparn charged Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin with malfeasance, claiming that the prime minister’s actions led to his suspension and thwarted his path to becoming the next national police chief.

 

Big Joke took his complaint to the Office of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and addressed it to its secretary-general, Niwatchai Kasemmongkol. He also held a press conference at the same location.

 

Big Joke told journalists that the Thai prime minister had previously transferred him to the Prime Minister’s Office for a 60-day investigation into his alleged involvement in money-laundering activities related to the BNK Master gambling website.

However, he was returned to the Royal Thai Police Office and subsequently suspended from duty on April 18. The day after his suspension, police interrogators submitted his case to the NACC, Surachate shared.

The 53 year old deputy police chief asserted that if his case had initially been presented to the NACC, he would have been deemed innocent until proven guilty. According to the law, he could not have been transferred out of the police force during this period.

 

Big Joke claimed that there was a concerted effort to persecute him, and his suspension had provided him with sufficient time to launch legal actions against his adversaries.

 

“Please be prepared.”

 

On the same day, he also requested the NACC to look into possible malfeasance by the police interrogators who filed the online gambling case against him.

 

He suggested that the interrogators, rather than the NACC, initially handled the case due to a scheme to prevent him from becoming the next national police chief.

 

Big Joke pointed out that he was the most senior among prospective successors to the current National Police Chief Torsak Sukvimol, who is set to retire at the end of September.

 

In response, Prime Minister Srettha stated at Government House that the Royal Thai Police Office had recommended Big Joke’s suspension. He argued that if he had obstructed the suspension, he would have been accused of malfeasance. The 62 year old Srettha asserted that the case followed the law and was devoid of bias, reported Bangkok Post.

 

Source: The Thaiger 2024-04-23

 

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[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

She is but reports said wealthy friend, well known local businessman owned and gave it to him free, unless there was another “twist” that I missed 

On this one, I am sure that there are a lot of twists that we have missed and will probably never find.

Edited April 23 by Tropicalevo

[Mr Meeseeks]

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

nd the motives behind the investigation into the BNKMaster online gambling platform

 

Isn't the motive that gambling is illegal and that there are high-ranking Police officers involved? 🤡

[Mr Meeseeks]

15 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If Big Joke is clean

 

🤣

[brianthainess]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Pol. Gen. Surachate, nicknamed Big Joke, today filed a complaint with the National Anti-Corruption Commission against the prime minister who recently ordered for his removal from the post of deputy police chief

 

[spidermike007]

He seems to be really upset and quite offended that his absolute authority has been questioned, and he seems to be even more offended by the fact that his image as Mr. Clean has been erased from the face of the earth. He is a top ranking officer in the RTP and therefore he's guilty by association and guilty until proven innocent.

 

We all know how these organizations work and the number of straight and clean people in the RTP could probably be counted on one hand.

 

Lock this guy up. 

[AdrianUk]

15 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

That is a very definite statement.

Do you have a reason for saying that or is it just an opinion?

My own view is that he may be clean. Too many people want him out of the way.

The dirty ones usually keep a low profile but I will listen to reasoned arguments or the evidence.

I would love to hear Chuwit's thoughts on him.

 

Ask anyone in the police force or immigration,  I am in that network and I've seen first hand things he's done for sure. 

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

He seems to be really upset and quite offended that his absolute authority has been questioned, and he seems to be even more offended by the fact that his image as Mr. Clean has been erased from the face of the earth. He is a top ranking officer in the RTP and therefore he's guilty by association and guilty until proven innocent.

 

We all know how these organizations work and the number of straight and clean people in the RTP could probably be counted on one hand.

 

Lock this guy up. 

 

So you have assumed he's guilty and should do jail time?

[Mavideol]

18 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

This aint going to go away.

sure it will... 2-3 days and it will sweep under the rug and no more talking about it will be allowed 555

[Mavideol]

7 hours ago, Zack61 said:

I suspect that there will be a lot of dirty laundry aired by the time this little spat is over. 

could only happen if Thai media was unbiased and had freedom of speech was allowed, this being Thailand the cover-up it's already started and dirty laundry will not be allowed to be washed on news platforms

[SABloke]

5 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

2 of my wife's school friends are mid ranking police and the son of one of my Thai friends is also police. I've asked them questions as to their opinions of Big Joke and they say that they don't believe he's corrupt. One of my wife's friends resigned from the RTP last month (took early retirement) because he was fed up with all the corruption his colleagues were involved in, and he was not prepared to pay 2 million baht for promotion to the next rank. They also said that BJ knows where all the skeletons in the closet are and that all this current notoriety is just another attempt to get rid of him so he doesn't become #1 in the RTP. They also made a very interesting comment along the lines of if he did leave the RTP and move into politics he would be in a better/stronger position to bring down the rampant corruption within the RTP.

 

Was he prepared to pay for the promotion to his current rank though (not as expensive) or was it purely a merit promotion? 

[TigerandDog]

7 minutes ago, SABloke said:

 

Was he prepared to pay for the promotion to his current rank though (not as expensive) or was it purely a merit promotion? 

purely merit to the rank he held. 

[TigerandDog]

44 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

So you have assumed he's guilty and should do jail time?

spidermike has been anti Big Joke, with absolutely no evidence to support his negative BJ posts, for as long as I can remember.

 

The sad thing is that spidermike's posts are usually full of common sense and supported by evidence. Can't say the same for any of his posts about BJ. Thus far they have all been irrational guilty until proven innocent comments.

[Sydebolle]

Get the popcorn ready, guys ........ the fight of the Titans is going to start anytime soon 😉 

[GreasyFingers]

8 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Get the popcorn ready, guys ........ the fight of the Titans is going to start anytime soon 😉 

Yep, the RTP & Taksin verses the Army & associates.

Edited April 23 by GreasyFingers

[Gottfrid]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Lock this guy up.

Without evidence? That was a very stupid comment.

[bradiston]

33 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Without evidence? That was a very stupid comment.

Quite agree, but @spidermike007 makes it his prerogative to find this guy guilty before any trial has even been mooted. So, I find you guilty, spider, of all kinds of stuff because you're a foreigner, and we all know foreigners are all guilty as hell. So we're going to deport you. No, no appeal. No point protesting. This not your country. Go home. Next!

[Pouatchee]

10 hours ago, Zack61 said:

I suspect that there will be a lot of dirty laundry aired by the time this little spat is over. 

 

i certainly hope so, but i suspect the thais and us (the voiceless falang) dont need anymore proof of corruption within the thai gvt at any level

[spidermike007]

21 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Quite agree, but @spidermike007 makes it his prerogative to find this guy guilty before any trial has even been mooted. So, I find you guilty, spider, of all kinds of stuff because you're a foreigner, and we all know foreigners are all guilty as hell. So we're going to deport you. No, no appeal. No point protesting. This not your country. Go home. Next!

That's a good one, I appreciate your sense of humor. Let me ask you one question, we all know that the vast majority of foreigners here are good, law-abiding, decent individuals who have spent their lives working and are now enjoying a very pleasant retirement and contributing to society on at least a few different levels.

 

However we also know that most police here are corrupt, most police here can be bought, and the RTP is likely the biggest pyramid scheme in Thailand. So it stands to reason that the top brass of the RTP enjoy the biggest endowments of all due, to the nature of a pyramid scheme. Does this make any sense to you? 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Without evidence? That was a very stupid comment.

I'm not implying that he should be locked up without a trial, what I'm saying is that I believe he is likely corrupt, and I'm hopeful that there will be enough evidence, and that there will be enough political will to convict the guy and lock him up.

 

The other aspect of this is that police should be held to a higher standard then the average citizen, so if a cop gets busted for corruption isn't it reasonable that perhaps he should face a stiffer sentence than the average person? 

[Graham8888]

20 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

That is a very definite statement.

Do you have a reason for saying that or is it just an opinion?

My own view is that he may be clean. Too many people want him out of the way.

The dirty ones usually keep a low profile but I will listen to reasoned arguments or the evidence.

I would love to hear Chuwit's thoughts on him.

If you look at his finances, property and wealth background against actual earnings etc ., it is painfully obvious - add to this the number of his officers involved , he cannot be clean, but this is about power struggle between different groups in the same pig sty - nothing to do with right or wrong . Chuwit only mouths off because his place at the trough was taken by others

[thesetat]

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I'm not implying that he should be locked up without a trial, what I'm saying is that I believe he is likely corrupt, and I'm hopeful that there will be enough evidence, and that there will be enough political will to convict the guy and lock him up.

 

The other aspect of this is that police should be held to a higher standard then the average citizen, so if a cop gets busted for corruption isn't it reasonable that perhaps he should face a stiffer sentence than the average person? 

I am tempted to agree with you. I think this act of filing a case against the PM is a farce. He is trying to make you look left when you should be looking right. It is highly feasible that he was moved to the PM office for inactive post so he would not be near anyone in the investigation about the gambling. Then returned to the RTP post to face his charges. Especially since he refused to turn himself in for so long time that it was in the news the police would soon make a warrant to arrest him. 

Given his position in the RTP and kept in office would have given him the power and credibility to make the investigators leary about continuing their line of investigating. 

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[bradiston]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

That's a good one, I appreciate your sense of humor. Let me ask you one question, we all know that the vast majority of foreigners here are good, law-abiding, decent individuals who have spent their lives working and are now enjoying a very pleasant retirement and contributing to society on at least a few different levels.

 

However we also know that most police here are corrupt, most police here can be bought, and the RTP is likely the biggest pyramid scheme in Thailand. So it stands to reason that the top brass of the RTP enjoy the biggest endowments of all due, to the nature of a pyramid scheme. Does this make any sense to you? 

Yes, but damning him because he's a top cop just isn't good enough. How many senior policemen in Thailand go for the PM's jugular? How many went for Prayut's or Prawit's? Nobody dared. It's probably completely without precedent. I say go Hakkers, go, no holds barred. The pork Pie Party has fought dirty all along. Kick Big Willy in the nuts. He's had it coming a long time.

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

That's a good one, I appreciate your sense of humor. Let me ask you one question, we all know that the vast majority of foreigners here are good, law-abiding, decent individuals who have spent their lives working and are now enjoying a very pleasant retirement and contributing to society on at least a few different levels.

 

However we also know that most police here are corrupt, most police here can be bought, and the RTP is likely the biggest pyramid scheme in Thailand. So it stands to reason that the top brass of the RTP enjoy the biggest endowments of all due, to the nature of a pyramid scheme. Does this make any sense to you? 

Yes, if your model works. But why then aren't you crying foul for every police general and all ranks below, if that's the way it works. Knocking off the top tiers of a pyramid has no effect on the stability of the pyramid. Remove all senior sergeants might have more of an effect. They seem to be involved in all things bent. Crucifying Hakparn won't achieve anything. He'll just be replaced by a stooge from party HQ, aka Tony Towers. Hakparn's the only hope, our man on the inside. Get rid of the cancerous cohorts!

[spidermike007]

9 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Yes, if your model works. But why then aren't you crying foul for every police general and all ranks below, if that's the way it works. Knocking off the top tiers of a pyramid has no effect on the stability of the pyramid. Remove all senior sergeants might have more of an effect. They seem to be involved in all things bent. Crucifying Hakparn won't achieve anything. He'll just be replaced by a stooge from party HQ, aka Tony Towers. Hakparn's the only hope, our man on the inside. Get rid of the cancerous cohorts!

While I appreciate your optimism, to my mind it's a bit like saying that Trump is an outsider and he's going to clean up the swamp. It's a great slogan, I saw absolutely no indication of it during 4 years of his presidency and I certainly never bought into the hyperbole. 

[rexpotter]

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