Trump found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records

[Presto]

20 minutes ago, gravity101 said:

Please stop with this rubbish. This thinking is the exact reason the USA is so fractured. This all started with Trump, pure and simple. He has single handedly manifested the rift in both politics and political society in the US. His campaign for 2016 was an absolute disgrace, absolutely no decoram or boundaries, attack attack attack, call names, degrade and munfacture or amplify issues that he knew would cause division. And please, book keeping error and so called insurrection? Who you kidding.

I think it started with the election of Obama. The vicious hatred that that brought to the surface, revealed the inherent racism and white supremacist tendencies in substantial parts of American society. Trump just went from there.

[atpeace]

9 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

In the past the GOP always played it much 'fairer' and when in power they did their job - manage the country for all the US people. That aint gonna happen anymore after what has happened to Trump and his Supporters - partisan weaponisation of the Justice and Parliamentary system. If you do not think that the reason they called the 'pitch invasion' by unarmed people an 'Insurrection', then you are extremely politically naïve. They have done that and charged all those unarmed walk-ins and jailed many innocent people, for one reason only - to stop Trump being POTUS again if/when they can get him convicted of starting the so called 'Insurrection'.  These minor charges of book keeping errors and omissions will not stop him running, but if he had been convicted of starting the 'Insurrection' then he would not be allowed to run for POTUS. Yes the Dems are that bad - they will destroy the lives of right wing US people who were just stupid/silly, in order to stop Trump. TDS is real in the Dems - and they have 'infected' all their supporters with this belief.

 

 

 

OK - feel better now.  Really not interested at calling the other team names and being childish. 

 

As for calling Trump names, fair game to as far as I'm concerned.  It seems half of what comes out of his mouth are petty insults and most of the other rubbish is nonsense.  I'll give him some credit though - he does possess a good sense of humor and some of his political believes seem sound.  The woke culture the last 4 years almost had me thinking I would voter for the creep but realized I was being a fool yet again.

[earlinclaifornia]

5 minutes ago, Presto said:

I think it started with the election of Obama. The vicious hatred that that brought to the surface, revealed the inherent racism and white supremacist tendencies in substantial parts of American society. Trump just went from there.

I too believe this, as the pendulum had then shifted.

The lingering tendencies fueled and we ended up in this clash now.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

7 hours ago, atpeace said:

OK - feel better now.  Really not interested at calling the other team names and being childish.  Leave that to your ilk. 

 

As for calling Trump names, fair game to as far as I'm concerned.  It seems half of what comes out of his mouth are petty insults and most of the other rubbish is nonsense.  I'll give him some credit though - he does possess a good sense of humor and some of his political believes seem sound.  The woke culture the last 4 years almost had me thinking I would voter for the creep but realized I was being a fool yet again.

 

 

Give Trump a chance - he can only last 4 years (despite the Dem fearmongering).

Maybe what is needed to brideg the divide is Trump and the GOP in charge - Biden certainly has not tried.

Remember his 'hate speech' against MAGA supporters - when he said he was going to heal the country?

That was total BS and his speech was reality - lefties always sew discontent and anger in their supporters - and it works.

 

[G_Money]

Bragg may very well get Trump elected again!

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6354052263112

[atpeace]

7 minutes ago, Presto said:

I think it started with the election of Obama. The vicious hatred that that brought to the surface, revealed the inherent racism and white supremacist tendencies in substantial parts of American society. Trump just went from there.

I thought Obama's election didn't overly concern most conservatives I knew.   They definitely didn't vote for him the second go around but I didn't sense hatred.  Bill brought  much more loathing to the forefront.  

 

What I felt started this whole extreme divisiveness was the election of Trump.  Democrats and many independents like myself were butt hurt and determined to let everybody know how despicable Trump is on almost every level.  I got over it in a couple months, after losing a good friend over the election, and now just put into the basket of things that will never be understood.  

[G_Money]

There were multiple errors by the judge that will be reversible on appeal. These include allowing Stormy Daniels testimony that was salacious and inadmissible, supressing the defense witnesses, the gag order, and the instructions to the jurors. Any one of those would reverse the conviction. That they ALL happened makes the appeal a slam dunk for Trump. To think otherwise is delusional...
 

 

[Roo Island]

10 hours ago, stoner said:

 

you have failed to answer the simple but quite important question. does it need repeating or are you good to answer ? 

Not hard to connect the dots...except for members of the MAGA cult who have problems with the truth.

[Robert Paulson]

It’s clear as day what’s going to happen now. People hate government more than they ever have nowadays, post covid. And they just set up trump as the anti government candidate. I bet trump is going to get votes from so many people you’d never even expect. And even usual non voters. Why? Because all of us have been victimized like trump was. Whether it is a bs ticket you got from a cop for revenue generation or something more serious. We have all been part of it, and most of us know exactly what is going on. 

[Presto]

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I thought Obama's election didn't overly concern most conservatives I knew.   They definitely didn't vote for him the second go around but I didn't sense hatred.  Bill brought  much more loathing to the forefront.  

 

What I felt started this whole extreme divisiveness was the election of Trump.  Democrats and many independents like myself were butt hurt and determined to let everybody know how despicable Trump is on almost every level.  I got over it in a couple months, after losing a good friend over the election, and now just put into the basket of things that will never be understood.  

I remember a couple of especially vicious and racist anti-Obama (and Michelle Obama) websites from that time.

And of course there was the 24/7 full blast spewing of derogatory remarks by Fox News. And it's affiliates I assume.

[Roo Island]

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, if a person doesn't want biden in office for 4 more years, they belong to a cult.  Yes or no? But, thank you for not writing a manifesto.

Most of us don't want Biden to win. But it's a far better alternative than [Trump].

[Walker88]

16 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

Most Americans support their freedoms and rights - they know what this means when even someone like Trump can be 'taken down'.

 

 

Let me paraphrase Bill Maher:

 

Next time I cheat on my 3rd wife with a pornstar, pay her off to keep quiet and book the payments fraudulently, all while I'm running for President, I'll remember that.

 

Another example: Fixer Michael Cohen does prison time for carrying out the instructions of his boss, but MAGAs think holding the boss accountable is some sort of witch hunt.

 

The now-convicted felon is being handled with kid gloves, largely because HE weaponized justice with his appointments. (Barr fired SDNY att Berman for his intent to go after "Individual One" in the hush money crime, delaying the eventual trial from 2018 to 2024.)

 

ANYONE who stole such a massive amount of highly classified documents would be jailed pending trial, no matter how long it took for a 'friendly' judge to delay any trial date.

 

How about the fake elector scheme? Fomenting the terrorist attack on the US Capitol? Endless delays and now a largely hand-picked (Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett) and highly partial (Alito) Supreme Court is delaying the DC trial while they consider "immunity"? Or maybe endless suits related to an office romance that has zero to do with the criminality in trying to subvert the voters' will in Georgia?

 

What all this shows all too clearly is that the US is not, or no longer, a nation where all are equal under the law. At least one guy, until this week, seems to be above it....and has even petitioned the Supreme Court to put that into law.

 

But wait, there's more....Speaker Johnson, at the request of the convicted felon, is writing up a Bill that would make "former Presidents" immune from any prosecution, not matter when it occurred, for life. It's kind of trying to turn the US Constitution into the Magna Carta, where 'monarchs' are above the law.

[earlinclaifornia]

4 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

It’s clear as day what’s going to happen now. People hate government more than they ever have nowadays, post covid. And they just set up trump as the anti government candidate. I bet trump is going to get votes from so many people you’d never even expect. And even usual non voters. Why? Because all of us have been victimized like trump was. Whether it is a bs ticket you got from a cop for revenue generation or something more serious. We have all been part of it, and most of us know exactly what is going on. 

The way I see it is very different.  The decline in support will be more than even he can stand. He will lose by a much larger margin.

[Felton Jarvis]

Too bad they can't HANG him. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 minute ago, atpeace said:

I thought Obama's election didn't overly concern most conservatives I knew.   They definitely didn't vote for him the second go around but I didn't sense hatred.  Bill brought  much more loathing to the forefront.  

 

What I felt started this whole extreme divisiveness was the election of Trump.  Democrats and many independents like myself were butt hurt and determined to let everybody know how despicable Trump is on almost every level.  I got over it in a couple months, after losing a good friend over the election, and now just put into the basket of things that will never be understood.  

Clinton (both), Obama, Bush (both), Biden were/are consummate experienced lying politicians with personality. Trump is an arrogant abrasive billionaire businessman with a personality that most people do not like, but who did as a POTUS (or tried to do), what he said he was going to do when campaigning (unlike all the others). The system//swamp/MSM saw him as an outsider and they attacked him relentlessly - and/or they allowed and helped the attacks to take affect (RINOs etc.)  Those personal attacks caused many people to dislike him and even drove many into TDS mode.  Trump is not a politician and has no idea how to lie with fake sincerity - in fact he is the opposite - a brutally honest person who says it like it is - warts and all. That approach does not endear yourself to many people, and in fact makes many people either dislike or hate you. 

 

If you want to see/learn the truth about Trump you don't listen to The View.  Likewise you don't listen to Jessie Walters etc.  Listen to Bill Maher - he calls it like he sees it - and being a liberal at heart, that is not an easy thing to do.  When you are a conservative, you like success and understand what it takes - that is why many righties like me will actually like Obama and Clinton personally, and yet we hate their politics. Lefties are driven by their peers to both personally and politically hate conservatives - they lose their rational thinking when they do that - it is hard to think clearly and rationally about someone that you have been driven to hate does or says something.  

[herfiehandbag]

41 minutes ago, Presto said:

I think it started with the election of Obama. The vicious hatred that that brought to the surface, revealed the inherent racism and white supremacist tendencies in substantial parts of American society. Trump just went from there.

Rather an accurate precis...

[Walker88]

4 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Too bad they can't HANG him. 

Not that this will happen, but SC Jack Smith has the authority to change his DC indictment at any time. That means theoretically he could add the capital charge of Sedition. What the convicted felon did up to and on 6 January certainly seems to fit the definition of Sedition.

 

10 U.S. Code § 894 - Art. 94. Mutiny or sedition

[atpeace]

Just now, Presto said:

I remember a couple of especially vicious and racist anti-Obama (and Michelle Obama) websites from that time.

And of course there was the 24/7 full blast spewing of derogatory remarks by Fox News. And it's affiliates I assume.

There was that but I didn't feel it was more than usual.  I felt the nation as a whole was proud to have its first black President and the media was chasing views like it always does. 

 

Today it is impossible to have a discussion regarding Trump without both sides becoming unglued.  Puts me in bad spot because I find it hard to hate.  I'm FAR from perfect but hate is something that I have only experienced a couple times.  After reading this thread, it begs the question - what is so comforting in hating others?  We all lose our cool and I say hateful things but I definitely don't make it a habit.

[G_Money]

7 hours ago, Roo Island said:

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/anti-trump-attorney-yells-cnn-contributor-fierce-argument-trump-conviction-youre-lying

[Walker88]

In Maher's Friday show he also did a funny skit on "Clickbait" and how necessary it is in today's un-reading world to draw eyeballs. In his, "You want to see some of the clickbait you'll be seeing in the future?", he included:

 

(Photo of the defendant in the NYC courtroom): Secrets to Falling Asleep Anywhere at Anytime

 

and

 

Mike Pence: Here's What My Boss Did When I Said, "No" (noting 6 Jan 21, the gallows, chant, etc.)

[Roo Island]

7 hours ago, G_Money said:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/anti-trump-attorney-yells-cnn-contributor-fierce-argument-trump-conviction-youre-lying

 

Wasn't Faux News that lost several big lawsuits for lies? Stay inside your bubble and you'll never know the truth.

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, atpeace said:

There was that but I didn't feel it was more than usual.  I felt the nation as a whole was proud to have its first black President and the media was chasing views like it always does. 

 

Trump's reaction to the election of Obama was to claim that Obama was not a US citizen. 

[Presto]

Btw, has anyone watched Trump's press conference in Trump Tower?

Man, does he look deflated. And that incessant whining and complaining, it's everybody's fault and he's done everything. 

And that stream of consciousness way of talking. Hopping from one subject to another, unrelated subject and so on and so forth. Like turning over a vat of grievances and lies.

[G_Money]

7 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Wasn't Faux News that lost several big lawsuits for lies? Stay inside your bubble and you'll never know the truth.

MSNBC not too reliable either.  Agreed?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-rachel-maddow-flamed-tweet-false-claims-overrun-oklahoma-hospitals

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rittenhouse-lawyer-cnn-msnbc-false-reporting-coverage-wrong
 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbcs-ronna-mcdaniel-meltdown-falsehoods-debunked-narratives-msnbc-promoted-sacred-airwaves

 

 

[Roo Island]

Just now, G_Money said:

MSNBC not too reliable either.  Agreed?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-rachel-maddow-flamed-tweet-false-claims-overrun-oklahoma-hospitals

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rittenhouse-lawyer-cnn-msnbc-false-reporting-coverage-wrong
 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbcs-ronna-mcdaniel-meltdown-falsehoods-debunked-narratives-msnbc-promoted-sacred-airwaves

 

 

Not a source for factual information. Pick another source and I'll read your links.

[BobBKK]

13 hours ago, riclag said:

Many on here imop are Trump haters! 

They see the end justifies the means!

You and Millions of others know what happened in Manhattan’s dem trial.

We ,like millions of others watched experts giving their take on what transpired!

Excellent efforts though ,trying to teach an international crowd , how fair trials play in a jurisdiction that voted 95% for Dems !

Trump is a dem convicted felon for sure but still on appeal because of what many experts claimed unconstitutional due process.

Now we’ll see how democrats work to further stop Trumps and others attempts at holding office. Imop

 

 

 
Thank you. This is a very liberal board; common sense and stable, reasoned debate are often lost here. Many legal scholars decry this farce, and not one thinks it will not be thrown out on appeal. The facts are:

Dem judge (whose daughter works for the Dems),
Dem jury pick from Dem Manhattan,
Dem prosecutor raising a SEVEN-year-old misdemeanour to a felony.
Prime witnesses - a convicted LIAR and a porn star who signed a letter saying Trump was innocent.

It will go to appeal, probably lose and eventually go to SC. It is a very sad day for American justice; in many people's opinion, it is also sad few want to discuss it rationally here, but it is not surprising. 

[Roo Island]

7 hours ago, atpeace said:

 

 

Here's what cult members are trying to do. The hatred and violence starts with these guys.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/31/tech/threats-doxxing-trump-jurors/index.html

 

 On online forums that have previously been linked to mass shootings, people are threatening violence and attempting to publicly identify the 12 New York jurors who on Thursday decided to convict former President Donald Trump. 

 

The calls for retribution began immediately after the verdict was announced. Experts who track online extremism told CNN the volume of violent rhetoric in the last 24 hours is as high as it was after the FBI’s search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in August 2022.

 

 

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, Roo Island said:

Here's what cult members are trying to do. The hatred and violence starts with these guys.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/31/tech/threats-doxxing-trump-jurors/index.html

 

 On online forums that have previously been linked to mass shootings, people are threatening violence and attempting to publicly identify the 12 New York jurors who on Thursday decided to convict former President Donald Trump. 

 

The calls for retribution began immediately after the verdict was announced. Experts who track online extremism told CNN the volume of violent rhetoric in the last 24 hours is as high as it was after the FBI’s search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in August 2022.

 

 

 Not a source for factual information. Pick another source and I'll read your link

[Roo Island]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 
Thank you. This is a very liberal board; common sense and stable, reasoned debate are often lost here. Many legal scholars decry this farce, and not one thinks it will not be thrown out on appeal. The facts are:

Dem judge (whose daughter works for the Dems),
Dem jury pick from Dem Manhattan,
Dem prosecutor raising a SEVEN-year-old misdemeanour to a felony.
Prime witnesses - a convicted LIAR and a porn star who signed a letter saying Trump was innocent.

It will go to appeal, probably lose and eventually go to SC. It is a very sad day for American justice; in many people's opinion, it is also sad few want to discuss it rationally here, but it is not surprising. 

The problem in America. The political divide. A zero sum game and it's ruining the country. Turn off the news. It's making things worse.

[earlinclaifornia]

14 minutes ago, Presto said:

Btw, has anyone watched Trump's press conference in Trump Tower?

Man, does he look deflated. And that incessant whining and complaining, it's everybody's fault and he's done everything. 

And that stream of consciousness way of talking. Hopping from one subject to another, unrelated subject and so on and so forth. Like turning over a vat of grievances and lies.

Yes I  saw and it was disturbing to say the least. Jimmy Kimball made me laugh my butt off!