My 90 day online report was rejected due to the hotel in bkk that I stayed at last week

[advancebooking]

I have been married 9 yrs and doing online 90 day reporting sometimes. It was getting rejected here and there and I never understood why. 

 

Yesterday I tried again. Today I got the email 'rejected'  and go to local immi office immediately. 

 

Arrived there this morning and walked into the 90day office door. One of the main female immigration officers that does ext of stays recognised me and said to me that my 90 day had been rejected bc I went to Bangkok last week and stayed in a hotel. She said I should have reported to this office within 24 hours of returning home. We both walked back to the main immi area. 

 

I go away all the time and in 9 to 10 yrs have never heard of this issue or the requirement to report to immi office when returning. Whats it for exactly?

 

She was ultra friendly and said that I dont have to fill out paperwork and basically sorted it out for me. She told me to apply again using my phone and within 5 min I had an email approval of the 90 day ext. 

 

She said in the future that I can come to her desk again and therefore dont have to fill out a form. But she re-iterated that I should be doing it if I ever go away. 

 

Are there any fines for ignoring this requirement? As I said Ive never abided by this rule ever and think its quite ridiculous. 

 

A side issue is.... If I were to be applying for citizenship I intend to move my yellow book to bkk (friend of a friends condo address). My wife would keep her blue book at our home city. I would be living with her 99% of the time and continue getting ext of stays based on marriage. So if I do this then my address in the 90 day system is the bkk address. When I try to renew my marriage visa I think they must look at my passport number and address in the system. Will they question this?

 

thanks

[DrJack54]

Which immigration office 

[jacob29]

I've been a little confused about this myself. If you rent a condo, where the owner does the reporting - they're not going to even know whether you spent a weekend trip away. Is the owner supposed to be contacted each and every to time? Almost zero chance they would reliably register within 24 hours even if you did notify the owner..

 

Sorry that doesn't answer your question, but while I believe there's a small fine (or used to be, reading the other thread on this the law changed in 2020, but not all immigration follow the new law), I have a feeling it's not enforced, due to the impracticality of it. Imagine if you travel once or twice a week for work, are you really going to front up at immigration each time? It's just not practical. I know there's online reporting, but that hasn't always existed.

Edited June 14 by jacob29

[NotEinstein]

Happened to me time before last - I had been to Hua Hin for a couple of nights a few weeks before. I just did a TM30 online and then re-submitted.

The rules say this isn't necessary, but Chiang Mai Imm. now seem to require the last TM30 to align with the 90 day address.

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, NotEinstein said:

The rules say this isn't necessary, but Chiang Mai Imm. now seem to require the last TM30 to align with the 90 day address.

CM run their own rules.

 

[Tod Daniels]

The Tm47 90 day reporting system AND the new TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) system now cross check each other for address matching
IF you stay at a hotel that registers you into the TM30 system (which most hotels/guest houses do) then when you come back home you need to file a new TM30

You should enroll in the new TM30 online system, then you can file a TM30 in just a few minutes online and print the confirmation that you're registered at your address.
This is the website to apply for a login password on the TM30 system

Since they started the address matching between the systems HUNDREDS of people all over the country are getting their 90 day online reports rejected because they stayed some place in country that registered them and then didn't re-file a new TM30 when they got back home
https://tm30.immigration.go.th

[advancebooking]

37 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

The Tm47 90 day reporting system AND the new TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) system now cross check each other for address matching
IF you stay at a hotel that registers you into the TM30 system (which most hotels/guest houses do) then when you come back home you need to file a new TM30

You should enroll in the new TM30 online system, then you can file a TM30 in just a few minutes online and print the confirmation that you're registered at your address.
This is the website to apply for a login password on the TM30 system

Since they started the address matching between the systems HUNDREDS of people all over the country are getting their 90 day online reports rejected because they stayed some place in country that registered them and then didn't re-file a new TM30 when they got back home
https://tm30.immigration.go.th

Thanks for your reply. If I don't do it are there any implications?

 

on the tm30 there is 2 sections for address. Do I just put my usual home address in both?

 

it all seems to be a waste of time 

[klauskunkel]

11 hours ago, advancebooking said:

I went to Bangkok last week and stayed in a hotel

I intend to move my yellow book to bkk

Did you check-in with your passport?

You have a yellow book, which you can use to get a pink ID.

You can check in to hotel with pink ID and avoid the TM30 hassle.

[Coota]

22 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

Did you check-in with your passport?

You have a yellow book, which you can use to get a pink ID.

You can check in to hotel with pink ID and avoid the TM30 hassle.

The owner of any accomodation establishment is required by law to report a foreigner staying with them so the pink ID card would not work. I think.

[arick]

Always just use your regular address

[The Theory]

2 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

their 90 day online reports rejected because they stayed some place in country that registered them and then didn't re-file a new TM30 when they got back home

My 2 last 90 day rejected without going anywhere 🙄even though my tm30 was not old.

They had no answer for it, a"glitch". 

Edited June 15 by The Theory

[edwardflory]

The TM-30 requirement is the section of the Thai Immigration law ( 1979 ) that requires the address registration of a foreigner visiting  or residing  Thailand REGARDLESS of whether they are on holiday or living permanently. To be done WITHIN 24 hours - usually by the hotel where you stay ( or stay for a short holiday / overnight ) or a landlord where you rent - some landlords do not do.  A ligitinate hotel WILL process a TM-30 for a registered guest foreigner - if you stay at a hotel AND  "live" here, file a TM-30 when you return to your home within 24 hours.

 

A foreigner CAN do their own TM-30 as HOUSE MASTER or POSSESSOR with the proper paperwork as I have done for myself and also have done TM-30's for visitors staying at my house.

Filing a TM-30 for a foreign visitor, a TM-30 makes "stay extensions easier" for your visitor,  and is required to do a 90 day report.

 

Many Immigration Offices NOW cross check TM-30's 90 day,  re-entry permits and stay extensions. ( 1st hand knowledge November last year.)

NOTE:

ALL THE NECESSARY paperwork REQUIRED depends on your LOCAL IO policies.

[NotEinstein]

Just now, The Theory said:

My 2 last 90 day rejected without going anywhere 🙄even though my tm30 was not old. 🤔

What reason was stated?

 

My last was rejected because I only filled in the asterisked (mandatory usually) fields - they said incomplete. Filled in every field and then accepted

[dayo202]

Just a side note guys...

I did my 90 days check online as I done for years.

I been waiting on confirmation of approval via email for the past 4 days. ( No email )

I logged online to the 90 days website, my 90 days have been approved but I had no confirmation email stating of approval.

That never happened before.

[UWEB]

11 minutes ago, Coota said:

The owner of any accomodation establishment is required by law to report a foreigner staying with them so the pink ID card would not work. I think.

You think wrong, I always use my pink ID and never run into TM30 problems.

[The Theory]

3 minutes ago, NotEinstein said:

What reason was stated?

No reason was given, perhaps they just didn't want to reveal the reason. 

[JimTripper]

Reads like the Op is in the wrong country. 

 

Hunky dory feel good story, but in my case without the "beautiful polite immigration lady" and with a big fine. 😄

 

If you just don't do it there are implications. You will be fined. Also, if you get a home visit or get into contact with an official anywhere you risk them finding out it's not done. What happens from there is anyone's guess. Hopefully you get that great officer you imagined last time.

Edited June 15 by JimTripper

[JimTripper]

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Edited June 15 by JimTripper

[damian]

Just finished a road trip and stayed in 5 different hotels. Didn't affect my online reporting at all. 

 

I check in to hotels using my drivers license. 

[klauskunkel]

25 minutes ago, Coota said:

The owner of any accomodation establishment is required by law to report a foreigner staying with them so the pink ID card would not work. I think.

Quite wrong. I use my pink ID for domestic hotel Check-in, domestic Airline check-in, and opening bank accounts. You could just call a hotel and ask if they accept that ID or not.

[5davidhen1]

I'm going on a north/northeast tour of Thailand later this year with my Thai lady friend.

We live (long term rented condo) in Jomtien.

In an attempt to avoid this bureaucracy, would accommodations permit only my Thai lady friend to check us both in --- or perhaps, could I get away with it by just using my Thai driving license?

[Grusa]

31 minutes ago, Coota said:

The owner of any accomodation establishment is required by law to report a foreigner staying with them so the pink ID card would not work. I think.

The pink card has always worked for me, everywhere in LOS. Never a TM30, except when returning from abroad. No hassles with online 90days provided TM30 is done (and I do it online) after such a trip.

[Coota]

10 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

Quite wrong. I use my pink ID for domestic hotel Check-in, domestic Airline check-in, and opening bank accounts. You could just call a hotel and ask if they accept that ID or not.

I'm not wrong, it is a requirement to report an alien staying at your establishment.

[proton]

2 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

The Tm47 90 day reporting system AND the new TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) system now cross check each other for address matching
IF you stay at a hotel that registers you into the TM30 system (which most hotels/guest houses do) then when you come back home you need to file a new TM30

You should enroll in the new TM30 online system, then you can file a TM30 in just a few minutes online and print the confirmation that you're registered at your address.
This is the website to apply for a login password on the TM30 system

Since they started the address matching between the systems HUNDREDS of people all over the country are getting their 90 day online reports rejected because they stayed some place in country that registered them and then didn't re-file a new TM30 when they got back home
https://tm30.immigration.go.th

 

Good luck with that never got it to work after trying for weeks, gave old 6 year old TM30 at immigration this week and they accepted it, despite staying in many hotels here since then

[klauskunkel]

20 minutes ago, Coota said:

I'm not wrong, it is a requirement to report an alien staying at your establishment.

I don't dispute that.

I dispute this:

1 hour ago, Coota said:

so the pink ID card would not work.

 

[818Pilot]

This exact same thing happened to me in CM. Online rejection of 90 Day with a note saying to see immigration.

 

So I go to immigration and the IO says it shouldn’t have been rejected for 1 night at a hotel in country and to just go through the drive through. I did exactly that and the drive thru IO just processed it as normal in 30 seconds. 
 

I’ve given up on trying to make sense of things, I just go with the flow anymore 

[motdaeng]

3 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

The Tm47 90 day reporting system AND the new TM30 (notification of foreigner in residence) system now cross check each other for address matching
IF you stay at a hotel that registers you into the TM30 system (which most hotels/guest houses do) then when you come back home you need to file a new TM30

 

after staying at a hotel in another province, do i need to file a 24-hour / tm30 report when returning to my official (tm30) address?

i thought that requirement (returning to your home address) was canceled a few years ago... ???

[soalbundy]

13 hours ago, advancebooking said:

I have been married 9 yrs and doing online 90 day reporting sometimes. It was getting rejected here and there and I never understood why. 

 

Yesterday I tried again. Today I got the email 'rejected'  and go to local immi office immediately. 

 

Arrived there this morning and walked into the 90day office door. One of the main female immigration officers that does ext of stays recognised me and said to me that my 90 day had been rejected bc I went to Bangkok last week and stayed in a hotel. She said I should have reported to this office within 24 hours of returning home. We both walked back to the main immi area. 

 

I go away all the time and in 9 to 10 yrs have never heard of this issue or the requirement to report to immi office when returning. Whats it for exactly?

 

She was ultra friendly and said that I dont have to fill out paperwork and basically sorted it out for me. She told me to apply again using my phone and within 5 min I had an email approval of the 90 day ext. 

 

She said in the future that I can come to her desk again and therefore dont have to fill out a form. But she re-iterated that I should be doing it if I ever go away. 

 

Are there any fines for ignoring this requirement? As I said Ive never abided by this rule ever and think its quite ridiculous. 

 

A side issue is.... If I were to be applying for citizenship I intend to move my yellow book to bkk (friend of a friends condo address). My wife would keep her blue book at our home city. I would be living with her 99% of the time and continue getting ext of stays based on marriage. So if I do this then my address in the 90 day system is the bkk address. When I try to renew my marriage visa I think they must look at my passport number and address in the system. Will they question this?

 

thanks

I asked about this law some time ago at Surin IO. It seems they don't take it too seriously, I asked hypothetically if I went to BK for the weekend would I have to report this, he hummed and haahed, ''how many nights''?  "Just two"  "No that will be OK"  "What about three nights"?  " I don't think it would be necessary, it concerns longer absences"   "How long"? He threw up his hands and just said 'it depends' with a facial expression of 'leave me alone, I don't care'.

[HappyExpat57]

Chanthaburi Immigration did the same thing to me. I talked to the officer, it seems if I "lay my head down" anywhere other than my condo, they want me to come in for a new TM.30 except when returning from an overseas trip. Then they don't care.

 

Makes perfect sense.

[Celsius]

3 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

IF you stay at a hotel that registers you into the TM30 system (which most hotels/guest houses do) then when you come back home you need to file a new TM30

 

Happened to me at chaeng watthana. Since then i don't do 90 day reports.