Red wine and hangovers

[LALes]

I don't care how cheap or expensive it is, if I drink a whole glass of red wine, there will be a headache the

next morning.  If I stay at about a half a glass, I will be OK.  You gotta know your body and what you can get away with.  As Clint said, "A man's got to know his limitations."

[gargamon]

It's all about quality. Same with all liquors. Lots of impurities cause headaches. San Miguel beers give me headaches. Other beers don't. 

[ignore it]

My parents were amused when at the age of 15, I took a liking to a bottle of red wine at dinner. They let me have at it and another one too. I woke up late the next afternoon with the mother of all hangovers. I had a glass of water, barfed yet again, got dizzy, went back to bed and woke up the next day still hungover.

 

Kinda put me off red wine for the next 60 years or so.

[gargamon]

It's all about quality. Same with all liquors. Lots of impurities cause headaches. San Miguel beers give me headaches. Other beers don't. 

[JBChiangRai]

I have only barfed once in the last 20 years or so, it was a couple of months back.

 

I was out for dinner with a friend and we drank 2 bottles of red wine each.

 

I woke up the next morning with my bin next to my bed where I had barfed.  I congratulated myself that it all went in the bin and none on the floor.

 

That I put my bin back in the corner of the room where it belonged and noticed I had barfed all over the wall.

 

No hangover headache by the way, though I felt a bit queasy that day.

Edited July 5 by JBChiangRai

[Wrwest]

22 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

The headaches are just as bad with expensive wines from those same countries, to my experience. I am aware that box wine is inferior, should not be allowed to call wine. You can see it by the color on the label of the bottles too.

Reminded of a line from "A Christmas Carol". "Maybe it is all this poor man can afford" (paraphrased). Monte Clare box at home in the evening. Two or three glasses while watching movies off the hard drive.

[stix40]

Not drinking enough!

You need to push through with another!

Works for me 😀 

[Sydebolle]

It's not the packaging (box vs. bottle) but rather what you put into the packaging. It's called the science of "oenology" and a component in wines called sulfites, a preservation method known by the Romans already. 

Most cheaper wines here are poorest quality or then alcoholized fruit juice made of imported pulp etc. And, before the manure-storm starts, products like Mont Clair have absolutely nothing in common with what is called wine. 

The Thai government ensured in its eternal wisdom - once more again - that the wines are completely overpriced and hence the selection is prorated accordingly. 

 

The government-enforced closing of duty free shops on arrival put another nail into that coffin; the wine prices (as so announced earlier on) still have to drop a lot.

Only once Thailand understands, that imported stuff can be better than the local fare and hence not to be slapped with "protective" duties and taxes. Thai wines are no match to anything grown in the old or the new (wine) world, same with cider and certain imported specialty beers. 

In closing, same applies with cheese or cured meats; try to imagine the revolution if the Western world would slap a 400% duty on Thai cheese, wines or Isan sausages .........

In closing, drink less of the cheaper stuff or have it "hand carried" from the Cambodian border at a fraction of the price 😉 

[mstevens]

23 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Red wine Headache mostly attributable to histamine content. Southern hemisphere wines higher levels than Northern for reasons unknown. White wines invariably lower level than reds.

 

Bingo. If you want to enjoy red wine but you struggle with histamine / suffer from histamine intolerance, then you need to take a DAO enzyme beforehand, and if at all possible, a few more DAO enzymes while you consume the wine. These enzymes will help the histamine to be degraded and you won't suffer a nasty hangover. Histamine Digest from Seeking Health is one such product. I have no idea if it is available in Thailand.

 

https://www.seekinghealth.com/products/histamine-digest-formerly-histamine-block

 

Edited July 5 by mstevens

[BobBKK]

Honestly - after drinking wines for 50 years, it's QUALITY that counts.

[JBChiangRai]

50 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Honestly - after drinking wines for 50 years, it's QUALITY that counts.

Agreed, 100%

[newbee2022]

3 hours ago, msbkk said:

Red wine is one of the most common causes for allergic reactions of sensitive people according to my allergy doctor.

Huh? Hangover is an allergy???? Change the doc, please😂

[KannikaP]

3 hours ago, gargamon said:

It's all about quality. Same with all liquors. Lots of impurities cause headaches. San Miguel beers give me headaches. Other beers don't. 

So you reckon there are more impurities in San M than Chang, leo or Singha?

[msbkk]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Huh? Hangover is an allergy???? Change the doc, please😂

Did I say that? 

[newbee2022]

17 minutes ago, msbkk said:

Did I say that? 

 

17 minutes ago, msbkk said:

Did I say that? 

Where is then the connection between hangover and allergies?

If there is none, what do you want to express then?

Just got a minute to post something???😳

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

So you reckon there are more impurities in San M than Chang, leo or Singha?

Yes. Sm light always gives me a headache. While they were around, singha light and tiger light never did when drinking the same amount. There's a $3 vodka in the Philippines (Toska) that i would rank up there with grey goose.

[msbkk]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

 

Where is then the connection between hangover and allergies?

If there is none, what do you want to express then?

Just got a minute to post something???😳

I did not say that there is a direct connection, but....

Did you ever suffer from  migraene attacks? The symptoms can be very, very similar to a hangover. And a migraine attack can be caused by an allergic reaction. That being said if after a glass of red wine you develop a migraine attack in the early morning  caused by an allergic reactions against the chemicals in wine you will not know if it is migraine or an allergic reaction or a real hangover. That being said people who say that they had a hangover after wine could in fact had  a migraine caused by an allergic reaction as the symptoms are very similar.

 

Or to say it different, allergic sensitivities can make you feel hungover even if the alcohol quantity itself does not justify you to suffer from one.

 

 

Edited July 5 by msbkk

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, msbkk said:

I did not say that there is a direct connection, but....

Did you ever suffer from  migraene attacks? The symptoms can be very, very similar to a hangover. And a migraine attack can be caused by an allergic reaction. That being said if after a glass of red wine you develop a migraine attack in the early morning  caused by an allergic reactions against the chemicals in wine you will not know if it is migraine or an allergic reaction or a real hangover. That being said people who say that they had a hangover after wine could in fact had  a migraine caused by an allergic reaction as the symptoms are very similar.

 

Or to say it different, allergic sensitivities can make you feel hungover even if the alcohol quantity itself does not justify you to suffer from one.

 

 

Oh dear, now I'm getting allergic to your post. Got a severe headache (kidding)🤗

[FritsSikkink]

On 7/4/2024 at 11:18 AM, ChaiyaTH said:

So credits to @Offshore360 for solving the wine mystery: less chance on a terrible hangover from wine? Order a European wine.

Order a good (not cheap wine), same as with spirits.

[Baht Simpson]

On 7/4/2024 at 11:00 AM, Will B Good said:

Once drank a bottle of very cheap red washed down with two bottle bottles of Newcastle brown......inches from death....555

Remember the old saying, Will. "Beer and wine and you'll feel fine. Wine and beer and you'll feel queer."

[KannikaP]

4 hours ago, gargamon said:

Yes. Sm light always gives me a headache. While they were around, singha light and tiger light never did when drinking the same amount. There's a $3 vodka in the Philippines (Toska) that i would rank up there with grey goose.

.Grey Goose is just overpriced stuff, same as Kulov here, it's gone up from 380 to 430 in the last year.

Edited July 5 by KannikaP

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, Baht Simpson said:

Remember the old saying, Will. "Beer and wine and you'll feel fine. Wine and beer and you'll feel queer."

So will you go for the L Boys if you do the latter? 555

[placnx]

On 7/4/2024 at 10:44 AM, ChaiyaTH said:

I was wondering if anyone has the same experiences here with wine: it seems to really depend which one I drink or being served, as well I suppose quality, but the point is I get extreme hangovers from certain wine while I barely notice anything at all from others. This while I am drinking the same quantities, as well I tested it with eating the same type of proper meals before. Anyone more info or ideas?

 

I am guessing it is just a simple answer: cheap and box wine causes this? I thought the pricing was mainly about the taste, I never thought cheaper wine would be inferior to taste + give you worse hangovers on top.

My doctor friend said that it was acetaldehyde.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-search-of-a-cure-for-the-dreaded-hangover/

[placnx]

On 7/4/2024 at 10:44 AM, ChaiyaTH said:

I was wondering if anyone has the same experiences here with wine: it seems to really depend which one I drink or being served, as well I suppose quality, but the point is I get extreme hangovers from certain wine while I barely notice anything at all from others. This while I am drinking the same quantities, as well I tested it with eating the same type of proper meals before. Anyone more info or ideas?

 

I am guessing it is just a simple answer: cheap and box wine causes this? I thought the pricing was mainly about the taste, I never thought cheaper wine would be inferior to taste + give you worse hangovers on top.

My doctor friend said that it was acetaldehyde.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-search-of-a-cure-for-the-dreaded-hangover/

[SingAPorn]

A good wine, matured by honest winemakers rarely gives you a hangover.

 

It's all the horrific chemicals that many pour in, that gives that head blasting feeling the next day.

 

The storage of the win obviously has a vital role. 

 

Most establishments in Thailand have no idea.

 

Rarely hit on a wine in a average to low class restaurant in Thailand,  that was flawless by western taste buds. Only the lop market restaurants in hotels seemed to cater quality products to wine lovers. But of course at even a higher "quality" price !!

 

As they say, drink less but drink better.

Edited July 5 by SingAPorn

[ChaiyaTH]

11 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Reminded of a line from "A Christmas Carol". "Maybe it is all this poor man can afford" (paraphrased). Monte Clare box at home in the evening. Two or three glasses while watching movies off the hard drive.

Well sadly, that is the garbage they serve you, even if chargin you up to 200 a glass, in Thailand.

[ChaiyaTH]

2 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

As they say, drink less but drink better.

No, that is the saying for losers in the world. That is the people who believe money is scarce too, save up for a rainy day + are <deleted> and poor even retired. I don't play that game, sorry, I had better, that's why I lived here since I was a teenager, 18. 

 

There is infinite money available, 24/7, same as it needs to be spend, those who don't, lose out without knowing + do a <deleted>ty job likely.

Edited July 5 by ChaiyaTH

[JBChiangRai]

12 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

As they say, drink less but drink better.

 

10 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

No, that is the saying for losers in the world. That is the people who believe money is scarce too, save up for a rainy day + are <deleted> and poor even retired. I don't play that game, sorry, I had better, that's why I lived here since I was a teenager, 18. 

 

There is infinite money available, 24/7, same as it needs to be spend, those who don't, lose out without knowing + do a <deleted>ty job likely.

I think you missed his point. My interpretation was that he said spend the same amount but by better quality wine and therefore drink less.

[impulse]

For years, I experimented with different drinks and combinations, all to no avail.  I still got wicked hangovers.  Usually after lunch the next day, which deepened the mystery.  Why did it take so long to hurl?

 

The hangovers went away completely after I took the oath.  Turns out it wasn't the preservatives, or anything like that.  It was the alcohol.

[xylophone]

On 7/4/2024 at 11:56 AM, KannikaP said:

Are grapes not friut?

Definition of "Wine" and a link which has some details of the "Fruit wine" sold here and elsewhere........

 

Wine is the beverage resulting exclusively from the partial or complete alcoholic fermentation of fresh grapes, whether crushed or not, or of grape must. Its actual alcohol content shall not be less than 8.5% vol.

 

https://www.wineandabout.com/business/fruit-appearing-shelves/

 

Despite what has been posted, Shiraz does not contain more preservatives than other red wines AND despite popular misconceptions even so-called organic wines do have some pest help in the vineyard from sulphur, which is explained away by being "natural/organic".

 

PS. 

For the record I have been drinking wine for over 55 years now and collecting it for almost as long, having constructed winecellars in houses I had in the UK and NZ.

My consumption used to be one bottle of red per night, with perhaps a small glass of Portuguese port to round off the evening. Now my consumption would be about half a bottle of red wine per night, followed by the port, and that seems to do me these days, and I don't get a hangover unless I overindulge a little, which can very occasionally happen.

Suffice it to say that if one decides to drink some of the Australian wines which can be up to 14.5%, then one is more likely to suffer the next morning, from both the alcohol and the preservative aspects.

Edited July 6 by xylophone