At last, good news for the UK!  Britain will join one of the world’s largest trading blocs, with more than 500 million people, within months.

 

Britain just signed the biggest-ever Brexit trade deal (msn.com)

Joining the CPTPP increases UK GDP by 0.08% (Chatham House estimate). The UK already has FTAs with 9 of the 11 members. Joining CPTPP doesn't really have much in the way of strategic value, and in no way should the value of the block be compared to the EU with a similar population size. Adding Korea or Thailand to the CPTPP doesn't change the economics much. The US is unlikely to join. The big question is whether China or Taiwan join; it won't be both. Beverages, tobacco, and motor vehicles sectors will win, semi-processed foods will lose. While the UK is assuring us that membership will not see a fall in animal welfare and employment rights, that is certainly a threat. This has more of a strategic benefit, and is the sort of thing that helps Rees-Moggs assertion that the benefits of Brexit will become clear in 2070. Joining is not an end in itself. Right now, the UK can be very influential in the grouping as the second biggest economy after Japan. How that works if China joins is anyone's guess.

Well, something about a Republican-led impeachment attempt. .. oh what a complete waste of time, is it not? The Republicans were so eager to bring down Biden, but all in all, they emerged ‘with nothing to show’. Oh just more of political scenes.

And yes for the UK! The fact that Brexit trade deal is a big thing has become quite apparent! I for one am looking forward to the day that it will boost the economy.

24 minutes ago, Sir Maxwell Greene said:

Well, something about a Republican-led impeachment attempt. .. oh what a complete waste of time, is it not? The Republicans were so eager to bring down Biden, but all in all, they emerged ‘with nothing to show’. Oh just more of political scenes.

And yes for the UK! The fact that Brexit trade deal is a big thing has become quite apparent! I for one am looking forward to the day that it will boost the economy.

 

  Can't you just give it a rest about Trump and Biden and the USA ?

  This thread is about the UK 

Worst thing ever. Leaving the EU

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Worst thing ever. Leaving the EU

No , but we should of left it completely , no the half arse leave that the mps gave us because they thought they knew best and wanted to keep their fingers in the pie

4 hours ago, Sir Maxwell Greene said:

I for one am looking forward to the day that it will boost the economy.

Britain staying in EU, there would have been no having to look forward today for improvement. (two of many sources)

• "Research by the Centre for European Reform suggests the UK economy is 2.5% smaller than it would have been if Remain had won the referendum. Public finances fell by £26 billion a year. This amounts to £500 million a week (loss) and is growing. 
• The new report, by Cambridge Econometrics commissioned by City Hall (1), also shows that London's economy has shrunk by more than £30billion. The average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit, the report reveals."

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Britain staying in EU, there would have been no having to look forward today for improvement. (two of many sources)

• "Research by the Centre for European Reform suggests the UK economy is 2.5% smaller than it would have been if Remain had won the referendum. Public finances fell by £26 billion a year. This amounts to £500 million a week (loss) and is growing. 
• The new report, by Cambridge Econometrics commissioned by City Hall (1), also shows that London's economy has shrunk by more than £30billion. The average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit, the report reveals."

 

 

And somebody will always come up with a different chart showing the opposite.

 

Lies, damn lies and statistics was the saying, wasn't it?????

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Worst thing ever. Leaving the EU

Yes, it was, for the EU. They have done everything possible to cause major problems in any way possible to tank the UK, and are sick up to their eyeballs because they haven't succeeded. They didn't want us to begin with, then they realised the monitory gains, but were sick as pigs when they lost it though ignorance and their stupid one size fits all attitude. We are well out of it.

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Worst thing ever. Leaving the EU

I think most understand that now.

2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Britain staying in EU, there would have been no having to look forward today for improvement. (two of many sources)

• "Research by the Centre for European Reform suggests the UK economy is 2.5% smaller than it would have been if Remain had won the referendum. 

 

 

    From the group the Centre of European reform

 

 

"The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European "

 

https://www.cer.eu/about

 

   Rather biased group . 

2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Britain staying in EU, there would have been no having to look forward today for improvement. (two of many sources)

• "Research by the Centre for European Reform suggests the UK economy is 2.5% smaller than it would have been if Remain had won the referendum. Public finances fell by £26 billion a year. This amounts to £500 million a week (loss) and is growing. 
• The new report, by Cambridge Econometrics commissioned by City Hall (1), also shows that London's economy has shrunk by more than £30billion. The average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023, while the average Londoner was nearly £3,400 worse off last year as a result of Brexit, the report reveals."

The public were conned big time to get the UK in, and MPs tried the same thing when we voted out. The reason in both cases was, fingers in the pie. Better off out than be dominated by a foreign country.

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Worst thing ever. Leaving the EU

Starmer is a trojan horse closet Tory.

The Tory Party hasn't disagreed with anything he has done.

Coincidence?

I don't believe so. 

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I think most understand that now.

Yes. Great if you like to be told what you can and cannot do, by your neighbours.

7 minutes ago, Surasak said:

The public were conned big time to get the UK in, and MPs tried the same thing when we voted out. The reason in both cases was, fingers in the pie. Better off out than be dominated by a foreign country.

The EU is not a country. No country is ever independent, global issues control them all.

14 minutes ago, Surasak said:

Yes. Great if you like to be told what you can and cannot do, by your neighbours.

Perhaps you're confused about the word "union"!

38 minutes ago, Surasak said:

Yes, it was, for the EU. They have done everything possible to cause major problems in any way possible to tank the UK, and are sick up to their eyeballs because they haven't succeeded. They didn't want us to begin with, then they realised the monitory gains, but were sick as pigs when they lost it though ignorance and their stupid one size fits all attitude. We are well out of it.

 

I've got to agree with that.

 

35 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I think most understand that now.

 

I think the UK was never wanted by the EU, never!

 

They wanted the revenue, they wanted the nuclear deterrent, they wanted us to buy their exports, holiday in their countries, and the unbalanced revenue streams it brought to benefit France, Germany, and Spain.

 

They wanted the GBP, but they NEVER WANTED US.

 

Furthermore, they have tried every trick in the book to wreck the UK economy, especially the financial side of things.

 

The French tried their hardest to move things away from London, as the financial capital in Europe, they wanted us out in the cold with nowhere to go.

 

 The UK simply exercised its democratic right to leave an organisation which has drifted far from what it was set up and supposed to be.

 

We wanted a friendly trading bloc, they want a United States of Europe, with Brussels as its capital. You cannot take away the identities of independent nation states, with their own cultures, traditions, and history and role them into a faceless entity, with Brussels as its leader.

 Since we left, we really have seen how nasty and unfair and petty that they can be in Brussels.

 

We want our control back and our borders back and our culture back.

 

Do we want vindictive parters like that?..................... I think not.

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Perhaps you're confused about the word "union"!

"UNION". One size fits all. Abide by the rules, but had nothing to do with setting said rules. Yeah, sure. Stick the unions where the monkey sticks its nuts. Once bitten, twice shy. Cynical perhaps, but unions have destroyed more than they have built. The EU is the prime example, but there are others closer to home. 

Not seeing any advantage, for UK exports, an not exactly exporting anything needed.  Most will continue to buy from CH.

 

Does UK really need new agreement w/Canada & Australia ?

 

Guess BRICS (trillions of customers) wasn't on the table 

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

Guess BRICS (trillions of customers) wasn't on the table 

 

   Just wondering why you laughed at that comment .

What was the joke , I seem to have missed the joke 

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

   Just wondering why you laughed at that comment .

What was the joke , I seem to have missed the joke 

Seriously ... could have something to do with UK being anti RU, since USA's lapdog, and simply tolerates CH, since basically have to.

 

Wait & see how Türkiye gets along with their effort to join BRICS.  NATO countries joining BRICS would be the final straw for NATO ... one can only hope 

And... this is a better deal as they already had as EU member state ?

When the AFD takes power in Germany and Le Pen in France I wonder what  the reaction will be in the Uk?

Still want to rejoin?

I think not.

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Seriously ... could have something to do with UK being anti RU, since USA's lapdog, and simply tolerates CH, since basically have to.

 

Wait & see how Türkiye gets along with their effort to join BRICS.  NATO countries joining BRICS would be the final straw for NATO ... one can only hope 

 

   Its really nothing to do with the USA , the whole World doesn't revolve around the USA Ya know .

   The UK is an independent Nation and doesn't do what the USA tells them to do, as much as you would like to be rulers of the World and everyone doing as you say .

   *UK didn't get a BRICS trade deal because the USA told them not to *

   Who do you guys think that you are ? 

 

 

 

With the UK, the bloc will contain 590 million customers, 31 per cent more than the EU, according to Facts4EU.........and all 12,000 miles away....wonderful.

 

Stuff the EU....and that 21 miles we have to travel.

9 hours ago, Theforgotten1 said:

No , but we should of left it completely , no the half arse leave that the mps gave us because they thought they knew best and wanted to keep their fingers in the pie

 

This article shows what might of happened if we had left with 'No Deal'. How exactly would that have been beneficial?

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/what-happens-no-brexit-trade-deal-eu-uk/

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

And somebody will always come up with a different chart showing the opposite.

 

Lies, damn lies and statistics was the saying, wasn't it?????

 

Those were just two studies, among literally hundreds of others. The overwhelming body of evidence suggests that Brexit has had a negative effect. There are very few studies which suggest otherwise.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Not seeing any advantage, for UK exports, an not exactly exporting anything needed.  Most will continue to buy from CH.

 

Does UK really need new agreement w/Canada & Australia ?

 

Guess BRICS (trillions of customers) wasn't on the table 

 

Not sure about the UK government but Brexit supporters need new trade agreements with whomever they can find in order to support their ill-founded claims that the UK would be better off outside of the EU.

 

Of course, Brexit will be vindicated just as soon as Joe, Donald or Kamilla, the US President in 2028, 2032, 2036 ...... decides that the US needs the UK more than vica versa😂

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

    From the group the Centre of European reform

 

 

"The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European "

 

https://www.cer.eu/about

 

   Rather biased group . 

 

I say! Rather! What?

28 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Not sure about the UK government but Brexit supporters need new trade agreements with whomever they can find in order to support their ill-founded claims that the UK would be better off outside of the EU.

 

Of course, Brexit will be vindicated just as soon as Joe, Donald or Kamilla, the US President in 2028, 2032, 2036 ...... decides that the US needs the UK more than vica versa😂