It really baffles me that so many foreigners seem to travel to Thailand just to end their life. Why is that? The amount of what they call falling down, which I call balcony jumpers are amazing. When writing this, I think we had 3 days in a row with people said to be falling from different heights. I thought it was supposed to be nice, relaxing and fun to travel to a foreign destination. Why, just not end it in home?

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

It really baffles me that so many foreigners seem to travel to Thailand just to end their life. Why is that? The amount of what they call falling down, which I call balcony jumpers are amazing. When writing this, I think we had 3 days in a row with people said to be falling from different heights. I thought it was supposed to be nice, relaxing and fun to travel to a foreign destination. Why, just not end it in home?

Maybe they had a bucket list idea to fullfill first or never thought about it until the time came.

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

Maybe they had a bucket list idea to fullfill first or never thought about it until the time came.

The bucket list, is of course a sick possibility. The other one is, according to me, just a myth. Why would they travel to a place for sightseeing or other fun activities, just to get the idea to end their life? The usual answer is of course problem in a fake relation or love life, but that will be something that followed them through life before, and would have been dealt with in home.

11 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

so many foreigners seem to travel to Thailand just to end their life

They don't travel here to end their life, their life becomes worthless after arriving, losing everything, all their money. 

Most of them leave their common sense at the airport on arrival, they head straight to the bar and start ringing the bell. 

 

Only option left is to fall from a height. 

 

Don't be too concerned, it's nature's way. 

 

I think alot of the westerners who “fall” off their condo balconies in pattaya are actually thrown out by russians as they have a proclivity towards that in that culture. No evidence of it though, so they get away with it

Just now, Gottfrid said:

The bucket list, is of course a sick possibility. The other one is, according to me, just a myth. Why would they travel to a place for sightseeing or other fun activities, just to get the idea to end their life? The usual answer is of course problem in a fake relation or love life, but that will be something that followed them through life before, and would have been dealt with in home.

It is hard to know unless you studied these things. Maybe they wanted to do it away from home. Maybe they thought about it for 1 year then finally they gave in. 

Not just Thailand anywhere. Someone I knew who was a tour guide told me there was literally one on every other tour. It was part of his job to identify them and talk to them in such a way that it put them off.

Just now, mdr224 said:

I think alot of the westerners who “fall” off their condo balconies in pattaya are actually thrown out by russians as they have a proclivity towards that in that culture. No evidence of it though, so they get away with it

I think you are dreaming, as most cases, as you say, have no evidence of it. Something that means the Russians would have found the perfect murder.

1 minute ago, Gottfrid said:

I think you are dreaming, as most cases, as you say, have no evidence of it. Something that means the Russians would have found the perfect murder.

The term “defenestration”, or the act of throwing someone out of a window from height, actually came from Russia. And there are alot of russians in pattaya. Too much of a coincidence to deny

3 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

The term “defenestration”, or the act of throwing someone out of a window from height, actually came from Russia. And there are alot of russians in pattaya. Too much of a coincidence to deny

So, there are no CCTV´s in any condos that can see a Russian walking in and out of a room? There are no witness ever seen a Russian walking in or accompany a person who has fallen? How do you explain that, when you state most of the cases are related to your theory?

10 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Not just Thailand anywhere. Someone I knew who was a tour guide told me there was literally one on every other tour. It was part of his job to identify them and talk to them in such a way that it put them off.

Yes, I have read around and seen that too. I just took Thailand as the forum concentrate on the country. Luckily Thailand only have around 8-9 per 100k people suicide rate. Not like Lesotho that has around 70-80 per 100k. On the other hand, those numbers are irrelevant as it focus on foreigners in a country, which would be counted in their home country.

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

So, there are no CCTV´s in any condos that can see a Russian walking in and out of a room? There are no witness ever seen a Russian walking in or accompany a person who has fallen? How do you explain that, when you state most of the cases are related to your theory?

Sometimes they are caught though. Sometimes they arent. Most cameras in thailand dont even work theyre just a deterrant

Just now, mdr224 said:

Sometimes they are caught though. Sometimes they arent. Most cameras in thailand dont even work theyre just a deterrant

Ok, give me one or two cases where a Russian has been cught throwing a person out of the window or from a balcony in Thailand.

1 minute ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, give me one or two cases where a Russian has been cught throwing a person out of the window or from a balcony in Thailand.

Ive never been to pattaya. Ive seen some articles here about it relating to russian drug dealers

5 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Ive never been to pattaya. Ive seen some articles here about it relating to russian drug dealers

Please refer to them, as I have missed them.

33 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

It really baffles me that so many foreigners seem to travel to Thailand just to end their life. Why is that? The amount of what they call falling down, which I call balcony jumpers are amazing. When writing this, I think we had 3 days in a row with people said to be falling from different heights. I thought it was supposed to be nice, relaxing and fun to travel to a foreign destination. Why, just not end it in home?

 

By foreigners, do you mean mostly westerners and northern asians?

The data does not support your conclusion. On the contrary, the suicides reflect the demographic of the people who visit Thailand.  Look at the demographics of the foreign suicides.  Now look at the demographics of the  foreigners in Thailand.

 

The data  shows that white males of lower socio economic status (education and wealth)  and those with chronic disease are the most likely to unalive themselves.  Thailand is a magnet for this demographic, so it should not come as a surprise when they unalive themselves at a rate reflective of their numbers. They don't necessarily travel to Thailand with the intent of unaliving.  Sometimes it is perceived seen as the best option for an elderly person with a chronic health condition and with no financial means to care for himself.

40 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

The bucket list, is of course a sick possibility. The other one is, according to me, just a myth. Why would they travel to a place for sightseeing or other fun activities, just to get the idea to end their life? The usual answer is of course problem in a fake relation or love life, but that will be something that followed them through life before, and would have been dealt with in home.

What percentage of suicide are people on holiday compared to expats?

21 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Ive never been to pattaya. Ive seen some articles here about it relating to russian drug dealers

links please.

31 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, I have read around and seen that too. I just took Thailand as the forum concentrate on the country. Luckily Thailand only have around 8-9 per 100k people suicide rate. Not like Lesotho that has around 70-80 per 100k. On the other hand, those numbers are irrelevant as it focus on foreigners in a country, which would be counted in their home country.

Lesotho must be a god-awful depressing place.....

46 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

So, there are no CCTV´s in any condos that can see a Russian walking in and out of a room? There are no witness ever seen a Russian walking in or accompany a person who has fallen? How do you explain that, when you state most of the cases are related to your theory?

 

Indeed... bigotry is the only explanation for such a theory when generalising. 

 

... though I'm sure some of the 'falls' could be linked to organised crime from various nationalities. 

Statistically, very few come to TH to off themselves.   It's just click bait.

 

USA 2022 ... Texas, 4368 offed themselves, that's shy of 12 people, on average, every day.

 

USA alone ...  "In 2022, a record high 49,500 people died by suicide, while the suicide rate in 2022 reached its highest level since 1941 at 14.3 per 100,000 persons. However, this rate was surpassed in 2023, when it further increased to over 14.7 per 100,000 persons."

 

Above numbers differ from stats below, so somewhere in between 14 & 22 / 100k people for USA.

 

source

 

If I don't crap out in my sleep, I'm sure I'll be adding myself to the folks offing themselves here.  It's what control freaks do 

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

It really baffles me that so many foreigners seem to travel to Thailand just to end their life. Why is that?

 

IMO - its not just Thailand...  Its that we are in Thailand reading these forums

Condo falls are common in other areas of high-tourist footfall and cheaper pricing - i.e. areas of Spain.

 

My take is that these falls fall into a few categories.

- Drunken misadventure

- Conflict / struggle

- Suicide 

 

In answering your question and dealing with the latter [suicide]:  Those who have taken this option don't come to Thailand specifically to end their life - but they are left with little else and thus make this choice - the causality in your question is reversed.

 

... My guess is that some come to area's such as Thailand with little in the way of future plans, their home life has let them down, either recently divorced etc, so they come here with what little they have left to try a new life and see how things work out.

 

... As a depressant, I think regular alcohol use (abuse) can impact this as can financial pressures build when those who come here for a new life end up under-budgeting or not budgeting at all and end up with very little left - life can be too depressing at this stage - thus I suspect financial burden to be a major factor.

 

IF we were to run a check on the finances of those who've 'fallen to their deaths, I suspect there would be a pattern that many are in a dire financial situation.

 

Then there is the 'contagion effect' whereby this [suicide from a height] occurs so much it becomes normalised - those who have entered depression though being in a dire financial situation, emotional trauma from a struggling relationship (i.e divorce at home), have struggled to find a meaningful relationships here etc...   the 'falling to oblivion' option that is commonly reported and somewhat normalised may give some the idea that this way out is somehow an option. 

- The frequency of reporting this issue itself leads to further similar actions, it gives people the idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never did.

Obviously.

Thailand is just TOO BEAUTIFUL a place to off oneself....

 

Why not just go out and feed a cat, instead of strangling oneself....or....

 

Why not just go out and dig a hole and bury oneself....and then....see how you like it....

Being 6 feet under....

Before you make the FINAL decision.

 

Or, why not just take a whiff of .....

 

Or....how could you even off yourself without first having listened to this song for the 1000th time....

 

 

 

But, if one must make the final leap, then let it be from an old Soviet-style building in Serbia....

 

Because, I know someone who sent us an email just before he leapt off.

 

And, I guess, it must not have been a pretty sight, 30 floors below......

 

That was his final ruin.....

 

Yes...unfortunately....he took his last gamble and learned, too late, that a human being was not meant to fly.......

 

 

 

 

F=ma....

 

Splat.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

according to recent data most were from Moldova and Bulgaria >>> failed real estate businessmen who didn't realize that there are folks smarter than them. 

Bangkok only. IDK about Pattaya's slums

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

What percentage of suicide are people on holiday compared to expats?

That would be interesting to know, but I guess there are no numbers for that.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

By foreigners, do you mean mostly westerners and northern asians?

The data does not support your conclusion. On the contrary, the suicides reflect the demographic of the people who visit Thailand.  Look at the demographics of the foreign suicides.  Now look at the demographics of the  foreigners in Thailand.

 

The data  shows that white males of lower socio economic status (education and wealth)  and those with chronic disease are the most likely to unalive themselves.  Thailand is a magnet for this demographic, so it should not come as a surprise when they unalive themselves at a rate reflective of their numbers. They don't necessarily travel to Thailand with the intent of unaliving.  Sometimes it is perceived seen as the best option for an elderly person with a chronic health condition and with no financial means to care for himself.

What in the world is unaliving. 🤣

16 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

What in the world is unaliving. 🤣

 

Its the word that is now more commonly used in social media such as YouTube / TikTok / Twitter (X) because algorithms pick up on words like dead / death / killed / Suicide etc and automatically delete comments... 

answered above. 

Suicide's happen in farangland but you don't hear about them, kept out of the news 

Many moving to Thailand for health and economical reasons, and the paradise they first discovered during a holiday doesnt exists. 

 

Mental problems can be eased by changing location, but the combination of bad health and economic, can be a though burden. 

 

There is many reasons why people do suicides, and some you would never thought was in the risk zone from the beginning. Thailand is not the paradise many thought before they arrived, to many traps to fall in to.