As a non-US citizen, the chaos of the presidential election is just surreal. the Dems keep doubling down on their 'threat to democracy' rhetoric which must have had an influence on the two recent attempts on the former Presidents life, but seems to be ignored.

 

 As there are many Democrat supporters on here, could someone please explain what the threat to democracy actually is? And please no 'dictator' will abolish all elections, go after his opponents nonsense. Trump was president for four years but did nothing like that at all. Also no russia collusion rubbish, it was Hillary that paid for the Steele dossier.

 

So the question remains, how exactly is Donald Trump a threat to democracy. Please be aware I have no horse in this race, like many around the world I am watching in shock and horror as the most powerful country on the planet seems to be destroying itself, and that's a concern for every (western) citizen. 

3 minutes ago, diceman said:

how exactly is Donald Trump a threat to democracy.

Easy answer  he is not a threat to democracy  he is a threat to his opponents   who have done everything undemocratically  possible to try and stop him regaining the presidency.

In a nutshell - find a copy of "Project 2025" and READ it. Don't just listen to others' opinions. Many of his former staff helped write it, and the forward was written by his VP pick J.D. Vance.

 

45 has denied any association with it. You HAVE to know he is the most prolific, blatant liar ever to be involved in politics at this level.

 

If that doesn't convince you then you don't want to be convinced, you just want to deny, ignore, lie, deflect or obfuscate the truth.

 

Up to you.

Trump has made it quite plain he will be clearing out the entire judicial system - Department of Justice, FBI etc. His past includes attempting to suborn votes in Georgia, putting up fake electors, and inciting an insurrection. He has appointed judges in multiple courts to follow his lead.

 

It's a pattern in history - Franco, Hitler and Lenin. Seizing power with a minority, then consolidating it with the legal system. He's already got the cult of personality entrenched.

12 minutes ago, johng said:

Easy answer  he is not a threat to democracy  he is a threat to his opponents   who have done everything undemocratically  possible to try and stop him regaining the presidency.

7 million more votes for democracy.

 

Trump would have no chance at all if it was not for an undemocratic Electoral College.

11 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

In a nutshell - find a copy of "Project 2025" and READ it. Don't just listen to others' opinions. Many of his former staff helped write it, and the forward was written by his VP pick J.D. Vance.

 

45 has denied any association with it. You HAVE to know he is the most prolific, blatant liar ever to be involved in politics at this level.

 

If that doesn't convince you then you don't want to be convinced, you just want to deny, ignore, lie, deflect or obfuscate the truth.

 

Up to you.

I'm not here to be 'convinced' of anything. I would like hear truth and facts from both sides. You have given an argument for what is so bad about trump, would you like to add some negatives about the Democrats?

23 minutes ago, johng said:

Easy answer  he is not a threat to democracy  he is a threat to his opponents   who have done everything undemocratically  possible to try and stop him regaining the presidency.

That seems to be the case watching from far away. Everything appears very one-sided.

3 minutes ago, diceman said:

I'm not here to be 'convinced' of anything. I would like hear truth and facts from both sides. You have given an argument for what is so bad about trump, would you like to add some negatives about the Democrats?

Negatives about the Dems? That was NOT the question you put forth. You asked "how is he a threat?" I'll repeat only one more time, read "Project 2025." It spells out in very clear terms what he plans on doing.

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Negatives about the Dems? That was NOT the question you put forth. You asked "how is he a threat?" I'll repeat only one more time, read "Project 2025." It spells out in very clear terms what he plans on doing.

I politely asked IF the poster would like to add any negatives about the Democrats. It would be beneficial to hear both sides to the argument. No need to be aggressive.

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Project 2025." It spells out in very clear terms what he plans on doing.

 Everything you think he plans on doing  except he has said that is not his manifesto.

They spelled it wrong.  It's not democracy.  It's Democrats that he's a threat to.  They're the real threat to democracy.

 

3 minutes ago, johng said:

 Everything you think he plans on doing  except he has said that is not his manifesto.

Did you miss the part where he is the most prolific, blatant liar in politics at this level?

5 minutes ago, diceman said:

I politely asked IF the poster would like to add any negatives about the Democrats. It would be beneficial to hear both sides to the argument. No need to be aggressive.

Hmmm . . . "new" member, posting a very loaded question of a topic, trying to change the parameters of the argument mid-stream?

 

Yeah . . . nope, not gonna take this bait.

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

blatant liar in politics

there is a surprise    well maybe not ehh ?

6 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Hmmm . . . "new" member, posting a very loaded question of a topic, trying to change the parameters of the argument mid-stream?

 

Yeah . . . nope, not gonna take this bait.

member for over a decade, i use it mostly for info re: visas etc. lost my login and rejoined couple of years ago. no changes of parameters, merely asked a question of someone. nothing 'loaded' either, its a genuine question because trump published a long list of dems using the phrase.

5 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Yeah . . . nope, not gonna take this bait.

 

you already took a couple big bites though. 

5 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

you already took a couple big bites though. 

Nibbles, not a bite.  Bye bye topic.

30 minutes ago, diceman said:

would you like to add some negatives about the Democrats?

 

Of course not.  That's "their side".  These are people that thought Hillary Clinton would make an appropriate "good guy" to Trump's "bad guy".

20 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Did you miss the part where he is the most prolific, blatant liar in politics at this level?

 

Yet, somehow, he is also the most lied about figure in American politics.

45 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Did you miss the part where he is the most prolific, blatant liar in politics at this level?

 

You mean he lies even more than Biden? Then he must be really bad

42 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Nibbles, not a bite.  Bye bye topic.

 

Haha ok then hope the nibbles tasted good. You sure are a hungry one.

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Negatives about the Dems? That was NOT the question you put forth. You asked "how is he a threat?" I'll repeat only one more time, read "Project 2025." It spells out in very clear terms what he plans on doing.

 

It really doesn't. Trump was not even involved in drafting that. He has said clearly he will not implement it.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

It really doesn't. Trump was not even involved in drafting that. He has said clearly he will not implement it.

 

 

There are sure a lot of gullible suckers on here.

OP (with less thanks 50 posts) is a Russian troll.

Trump can't be a threat to democracy. The US ain't a democracy. Never have been.

What chaos ?   2 people running for office, where's the drama.   Stop watching the news, both sides.

 

If voting, listen to the candidates, to what they are saying and not saying.  More importantly, stayed tuned into your local & state elections.  If members of US Congress seats are up for grabs, then pay attention.

 

Be happy with your choices.  If you want change, don't vote for any incumbent, unless you are happy now.

 

 

30 minutes ago, gargamon said:

There are sure a lot of gullible suckers on here.

OP (with less thanks 50 posts) is a Russian troll.

russian troll? wow just coz i dont feel the world needs to know my every amazing insightful opinions on everything? (unlike you!)  better up the meds mate, they aint working.

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

What chaos ?   2 people running for office, where's the drama.   Stop watching the news, both sides.

 

If voting, listen to the candidates, to what they are saying and not saying.  More importantly, stayed tuned into your local & state elections.  If members of US Congress seats are up for grabs, then pay attention.

 

Be happy with your choices.  If you want change, don't vote for any incumbent, unless you are happy now.

 

 

i'm not american so that means nothing to me. if you don't think two assassination attempts against a former president is chaos, or that the constant bad mouthing on both sides is normal, the god help the rest of the world

12 minutes ago, diceman said:

i'm not american so that means nothing to me. if you don't think two assassination attempts against a former president is chaos, or that the constant bad mouthing on both sides is normal, the god help the rest of the world

Not the first time candidates have been shot at, ever killed, along with presidents themselves, or bystanders.   RFK, G. Wallace come to mind.  JFK killed, and then Reagan shot.  That's just my lifetime.

 

It's politics ... same worldwide 

 

7 shot (15%), 4 killed (8.6%), out of 46.  

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Not the first time candidates have been shot at, ever killed, along with presidents themselves, or bystanders.   RFK, G. Wallace come to mind.  JFK killed, and then Reagan shot.  That's just my lifetime.

 

It's politics ... same worldwide 

 

fair enough, thats all true. definitely not right though, i dont like that its viewed as normal, or just the price you may pay if someone doesnt agree with your politics. most of the western world seems to be having a psychotic episode right now, people are just so aggressive, angry and completely intolerant of people with different opinions. and i mean people on both sides of any disagreement. it has to stop.

ooh, so i've been made an explorer member. does that mean i cant be a russian troll anymore? or is that the standard insult to anyone who disagrees with a democrat?