Just now, frank83628 said:

Nope, prove me wrong,

Let me ask again: if I prove that Trump has expressed a desire to imprison people for political opposition, would you drop your support for Trump?

 

Note that if you support imprisonment for political beliefs, you are a Fascist.

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Nope, prove me wrong,

Who-da-guessed........

Trump.."I need the type of Generals Hitler had"..........

 

Hmmm, Hitler executed 84 Generals, so what do we read into that........

26 minutes ago, transam said:

Trump.."I need the type of Generals Hitler had"..........

 

Hmmm, Hitler executed 84 Generals, so what do we read into that........

 

 

That they weren't the generals he wanted? Most of those executed were part of or aleged to part of the 20 July plot. Nearly 5000 people were executed as a result.

 

The types of generals he wants ended up swinging from the end of a rope post-WW2; amoral men who had advanced through political patronage, not by ability.

A very good interview, describing how America might be sliding into its own form of an oligarchy:

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/28/fiona-hill-explains-trump-musk-putin-00185820

 

I think the actions of parts of the media in recent days (LA Times, Washington Post, and now USA Today) is illustrative of that. 

 

Luckily, Fiona Hill has gotten out of the US.

3 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

That they weren't the generals he wanted? Most of those executed were part of or aleged to part of the 20 July plot. Nearly 5000 people were executed as a result.

 

The types of generals he wants ended up swinging from the end of a rope post-WW2; amoral men who had advanced through political patronage, not by ability.

Eeeeer, they were executed during his tenure, and you don't know what trump wants, you are not in the know.......🤭

On 10/27/2024 at 11:17 AM, G_Money said:

“John Kelley claims Trump is a facist “

 

Breaking news indeed.  No one has ever claimed that.

You should invite him to the forum.  He’ll be in good company.  
 

“Team Evil or Team Stupid “

 

I support neither.  Biden or Harris.
 

 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/28/fiona-hill-explains-trump-musk-putin-00185820

Quote

 

 

Some of your former colleagues in the Trump administration have been having a robust public debate over the degree to which Donald Trump has fascist tendencies. What is your view?

 

The problem with the framing of this debate is that once you start to throw out a label like fascism, people’s minds tend to shut down. People can’t really grasp, what does that label mean? I think it’s much more helpful to think about it as a style of governance, a way that people approach power and the use of power, which many of us would call the abuse and misuse of power.

 

.....

Some people want to see Trump as a champion, a kind of an avatar, who’s out there doing battle for them against all kinds of opponents, or getting them various things. But Trump doesn’t think of anybody else as individuals. He thinks of people in categories. I heard him talk about steel workers, coal miners or auto workers. Or he talks about people as evangelicals, or Jews, or as Blacks or as Hispanics. He puts people into categories. Vladimir Putin and other autocrats do that as well. In political systems in which you have a strong person at the top, everybody else is just a category. You’re not an individual. You have no individual rights.

That’s how an autocrat controls society, by lumping people into groups and then creating antagonism between them, us-versus-them setups. That’s exactly what this is about. It’s about unchecked power, unfettered power, for the strongman. It’s a style of governance, and ideologically, it can be on the left or on the right. All of that doesn’t really matter. It’s about the person who is exerting that power.

 

 

The problem with calling Trumpf a "fascist" is that it suggests he is an adherant to a particular ideology. He doesn't. He's an adherant to a form of government; autocracy, because basically he thinks a President should have all thos power "to get things done". That's how he ran his companies. That's how Musk runs his companies. Thats how Putin thinks he runs his country.

 

Industry's non-political view on this style of management:

 

https://taskworld.com/blog/what-is-autocratic-leadership-and-when-is-it-effective/

 

Many of us work for or have worked for a company where there is the "Big Boss", maybe the owner, maybe the founder who is now a majority shareholder, micromanaging his baby. Jim Ratcliffe at Ineos is an example. Look what's happening at Man United. I suppose he knows jack all about football. Similarly cars and bike racing. We've all be frustrated by such management making crazy decisions. We are also aware of the acolytes who say "trust the boss".

 

Jim Ratcliffe, who made a fortune in petrochemicals, is now peeing away his money on cod-Land Rovers which aren't selling, and now might see Man United get relegated (here's hoping).  Putin is probably cleverer than Trump, Musk etc, and manipulates them, as Hill describes.

 

A fascist spends years developing his ideology. Trump has none of that. He's a reactionary, shouting at the TV, and surrounded all his life by sychophants.

 

 

 

"Hey, you're a Nazi." 

 

"Hey, you're a terrorist" 

 

Meltdown. 

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Let me ask again: if I prove that Trump has expressed a desire to imprison people for political opposition, would you drop your support for Trump?

 

Note that if you support imprisonment for political beliefs, you are a Fascist.

can you hear yourself, you absolute whopper, go on then show me your 'proof', it better be him directly saying, on record that he will specifically go after his political opponents for political reasons, and names, not another out of context, edited comment.

 

if you are wrong, you will leave this forum

 

Just now, frank83628 said:

can you hear yourself, you absolute whopper, go on then show me your 'proof', it better be him directly saying, on record that he will specifically go after his political opponents for political reasons, and names, not another out of context, edited comment.

 

if you are wrong, you will leave this forum

 

I have asked you if you would drop your support of Trump if I proved that Trump intends to imprison people for their political beliefs.

 

Your response has been mindless drivel.

 

I am asking a yes or no question.

27 minutes ago, theblether said:

"Hey, you're a Nazi." 

 

"Hey, you're a terrorist" 

 

Meltdown. 

Actually, the question on the table is whether Trump is a Fascist. 

 

Not the same as a Nazi. Although Fascists can emulate Nazi rallies, as Trump did in NY.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I have asked you if you would drop your support of Trump if I proved that Trump intends to imprison people for their political beliefs.

 

Your response has been mindless drivel.

 

I am asking a yes or no question.

post your sh-t n shut up. 

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

can you hear yourself, you absolute whopper, go on then show me your 'proof', it better be him directly saying, on record that he will specifically go after his political opponents for political reasons, and names, not another out of context, edited comment.

 

if you are wrong, you will leave this forum

 

 

Donald Trump has stated that, if he wins the 2024 election, he will take action against political opponents, particularly those he believes have wronged him or engaged in politically motivated attacks. Some of his key statements include:

 

1. “I am your retribution”: During a 2023 speech, Trump said he would act as retribution for his supporters and he would pursue legal actions against those he views as unjustly targeting him or his supporters.

2. Targeting Justice Department officials and Biden: Trump stated he would restructure the Department of Justice and FBI to remove those he considers biased, citing figures within the Biden administration and law enforcement as potential targets. In an August 2023 interview with conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt, he also stated he would pursue investigations against President Biden and his family and they would face consequences under his administration.

3. Expanded Presidential Powers: In recent rallies, Trump has emphasized a need for more direct control over federal agencies and the judiciary and that he would seek to expanded presidential powers to act against those he believes were responsible for “weaponizing” government agencies.

 

He’s just one big pussy (grabbing) cat and probably lying about doing any of this.

 

 

11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

post your sh-t n shut up. 

You are not psychologically able to respond to my question.

 

No need to inform you of Trump's plans to imprison his enemies, if you agree with him.

20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are not psychologically able to respond to my question.

 

No need to inform you of Trump's plans to imprison his enemies, if you agree with him.

just as i expected

 

i made myself clear, you think i am going to jump to the attention of an old aged pensioner on a forum. yeah right, put up or shut up!

33 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Donald Trump has stated that, if he wins the 2024 election, he will take action against political opponents, particularly those he believes have wronged him or engaged in politically motivated attacks. Some of his key statements include:

 

1. “I am your retribution”: During a 2023 speech, Trump said he would act as retribution for his supporters and he would pursue legal actions against those he views as unjustly targeting him or his supporters.

2. Targeting Justice Department officials and Biden: Trump stated he would restructure the Department of Justice and FBI to remove those he considers biased, citing figures within the Biden administration and law enforcement as potential targets. In an August 2023 interview with conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt, he also stated he would pursue investigations against President Biden and his family and they would face consequences under his administration.

3. Expanded Presidential Powers: In recent rallies, Trump has emphasized a need for more direct control over federal agencies and the judiciary and that he would seek to expanded presidential powers to act against those he believes were responsible for “weaponizing” government agencies.

 

He’s just one big pussy (grabbing) cat and probably lying about doing any of this.

 

 

so after the recent claims of Joe Rogan laughing in Trumps face, and Rogan saying the podcast 'was a <deleted> show' neither of which happened, the re-hashed John Kerry claims that also didn't happen and have been refuted by other in the room, 'the fine people' hoax and the 'bloodbath' quote, to name a few, please give me a link to this being said, a time stamp to the original, not a MSM editing suite version or an interpretation or an opinion piece

 

i edited this paragraph so it reads properly. 

 

Donald Trump has stated that, if he wins the 2024 election, he will take action against those who have engaged in politically motivated attacks.

 

2 hours ago, theblether said:

"Hey, you're a Nazi." 

 

"Hey, you're a terrorist" 

 

Meltdown. 

 

Hey you're a Marxist/Communist/Libtard/God Botherer/ Holy Joe.

 

It cuts all ways unless your name is Tommy Robinson/ David Duke/Anjem Choudary etc, then the perjoratives tend to be fairly accurate

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Actually, the question on the table is whether Trump is a Fascist. 

 

Not the same as a Nazi. Although Fascists can emulate Nazi rallies, as Trump did in NY.

 

Mussolini kept the trains running. Fascists run for high office, fairly openly, in Italy. Il Duce studied the ideas of the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, the sociologist Vilfredo Pareto, and the syndicalist Georges Sorel and credited Charles Péguy and Hubert Lagardelle as influences. He was widely published, writing, among other things, "Giovanni Hus, il veridico" (Jan Hus, true prophet), a historical and political biography about the life and mission of the Czech ecclesiastic reformer Jan Hus and his followers, the Hussites. He literally invented Fascism. Does Trump display fascist tendancies? Probably. Does that make him a  fascist? No, and that's not a complement. He's not a fascist, because he's too dumb to understand the ideology. 

 

Mussolini was certainly an intellect. He had developed an ideology that was probably shaped by a genuine concern for the Italian working man, except that it was totally evil.

 

Trump has no concern for the working man, hence at his rallies, he revels in boasting how he doesn't pay contractors, if he can get away with it, because he's "smart". He has an idea about "America", and what he think that means, which seems to be based on an infantile view of the world. "America" includes heroes who fight and die for their ideals, frredom, except not him, because he's not a sucker, he's smart. His major influence in life appears to be a semi-literate Scots women, who was penniless, but not because she somehow found the money for multiple trips across the Atlantic, before finally finding herself at high society parties, meeting property developer, Fred Trump. Surely, the conversation was not the attraction, as I doubt Trump Senior could scarely understand her heavily accented, and stuttering Hebridean accent (labeled recently as the worst and least attractive of all the Scottish accents, which is going some when you hear Rab C Nesbitt https://www.welovestornoway.com/index.php/articles/34445-hebridean-accent-the-worst-in-scotland-study-claims).

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You are not psychologically able to respond to my question.

 

No need to inform you of Trump's plans to imprison his enemies, if you agree with him.

Cat got ya tongue or what?

Come on, what mainstream edited out of context nonsense were you going to provide as evidence?

same as will above, or perhaps a segment from Rachel maddow on MSNBC, a CNN opinion piece or even some quotes from  anonymous sources.

There are several symptoms of Fascism, I am going to crib from the internet and post one:

 

"Fascism creates a myth of victimhood, that the majority population is in a humiliating decline from a past greatness because of singled-out minority populations. It’s an us-against-them crisis, the myth goes. The targeted racial, ethnic, religious or gender minorities, and the “liberals” who support them, are thus framed as not just opponents but enemies, demonized so the majority can feel justified in hating and repressing them."