January 21, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, frank83628 said: Remember the frothing and screetching when they thought Trump would pardon his family. Looking forward to links for that.
January 21, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, frank83628 said: Fauci is guilty of bring COVID to the world through GOF reserch. With all the intelligence and spying, both covert and overt the Americans still after 4 years cannot specifically identify the origins of covid and who was responsible. Seem the vast majority just believe everything they're told with out question Yes, but he helped get Biden elected, so he gets a pass.
January 21, 20251 yr 15 minutes ago, mogandave said: I do not think the Nixon pardon was challenged. These could be. Nope. Ex Parte Garland 71 US 333 (1866)
January 21, 20251 yr "A pardon carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance, a confession of it." Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915)
January 21, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Explain how someone can be pardoned when someone hasn't been convicted of anything? Does the pardon state what crime they are guilty of but haven't been convicted for? If it's just a general pardon for any crime they might have committed- what if they murdered someone in the past- will they be pardoned for that too? Does the pardon extend to the future- just imagine what one could do if one had that sort of pardon. I read a science fiction story about being able to buy a pre emptive pardon for future crimes, so one could go out and murder someone and not go to prison. Is the US political system a bad joke? I just read a sci-fi story too, it was your post.
January 21, 20251 yr Popular Post 14 minutes ago, stevenl said: Looking forward to links for that. Well, going back to Trumps presidency the left, dems and the MSM outlets like CNN, msnbe etc all screetched and frothed about fictional scenarios about Trump potentially pardoning of his family and how wrong it as, what crimes they get away with etc etc.... now Biden has done just that, even giving Hunter decade long get out of jail free card. You guys despise Trump so much that you willingly turn a blind eye to the Democrat corruption and flip flopping. The media has managed to brainwash you so easily, look how the leftbit rushing to the defense of these pardons, especialy Fauci, who gave the world COVID through gain of function research and cost millions of regular people their business and livelyhoods, but any questioning of him and you're an anti VAX rightwing Nazi. Herebis just 1 of many link youncan find from 2016-2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/12/01/trump-reportedly-discussed-preemptive-pardons-for-his-children-son-in-law/
January 21, 20251 yr 9 minutes ago, frank83628 said: Well, going back to Trumps presidency the left, dems and the MSM outlets like CNN, msnbe etc all screetched and frothed about fictional scenarios about Trump potentially pardoning of his family and how wrong it as, what crimes they get away with etc etc.... now Biden has done just that, even giving Hunter decade long get out of jail free card. You guys despise Trump so much that you willingly turn a blind eye to the Democrat corruption and flip flopping. You hit the nail squarely on the head.
January 21, 20251 yr 31 minutes ago, Yagoda said: Nope. Ex Parte Garland 71 US 333 (1866) Surely they can be challenged. They might not get very far, depending. https://digitalcommons.law.wne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1815&context=lawreview
January 21, 20251 yr Popular Post By the way, if "preemptive pardons" are allowed to stand legally, then every president from here on out will use them. The only difference? If a Republican president uses them the media will scream bloody murder. If a Democrat president uses them the media will call it "sound judgement." The blatant hypocrisy of the Left is simply over the freaking top. I seriously hope the courts strike this abominable use of "preemptive pardons" down forever. No president should be allowed to use them. Pardons for convicted criminals? That's within the scope of the Constitution.
January 21, 20251 yr Popular Post 20 minutes ago, connda said: "A pardon carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance, a confession of it." Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915) Burdick speaks to guilt on acceptance, but the precedent of Ford’s 1974 pardon of Nixon was a preemptive pardon as are these—no conviction, no guilt to confess. It was a strategic move to avoid a trial, not an admission of crime, and acceptance is not conditional or required.
January 21, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: People forget Fauci deliberately suppressed the first round of drugs created for people with HIV, resulting in countless deaths from AIDS. He was a military scientist and was involved in the Wuhan lab for decades. Nobody has any idea the extent to which this man has engaged in nefarious activity. Then the vaccine push. And the total rejection of anyone who questioned anything about the narrative. I could go on. You should 'go on', those here that blindly followed orders and turned on there fellow citizens after media manipulation need to hear it. Countless businesses, livelyhoods and lives lost due to Fraudci and his COVID lies to the world
January 21, 20251 yr Popular Post 17 minutes ago, connda said: The blatant hypocrisy of the Left is simply over the freaking top. Is it ever anything but?
January 21, 20251 yr Popular Post 22 minutes ago, LosLobo said: Burdick speaks to guilt on acceptance, but the precedent of Ford’s 1974 pardon of Nixon was a preemptive pardon as are these—no conviction, no guilt to confess. It was a strategic move to avoid a trial, not an admission of crime, and acceptance is not conditional or required. The pardon power of the President is unlimited. That goes waaaaay back in the common law. Biden is a scumbag for doing it, but he has the right to. Expect all of these now pardoned criminals to face the music before Congressional committees, under oath, Viz: Ms. Cheney? Did you ever talk to..... Perjury is the best, because thou art forever marked.
January 21, 20251 yr 20 minutes ago, connda said: By the way, if "preemptive pardons" are allowed to stand legally, then every president from here on out will use them. The only difference? If a Republican president uses them the media will scream bloody murder. If a Democrat president uses them the media will call it "sound judgement." The blatant hypocrisy of the Left is simply over the freaking top. I seriously hope the courts strike this abominable use of "preemptive pardons" down forever. No president should be allowed to use them. Pardons for convicted criminals? That's within the scope of the Constitution. By the way, Gerald Ford, a Republican—and in your words, a blatant hypocrite—was the first to issue a preemptive pardon, most notably for Nixon. As for the Constitution, Article II, Section 2 grants the president broad power to issue pardons, with no requirement for post-conviction. It simply states the president can pardon 'for offenses against the United States,' except in cases of impeachment.
January 21, 20251 yr Headline from Washington Post DEC 11, 2020: Trump has the power to issue preemptive pardons. Here’s how past presidents used it.
January 21, 20251 yr 11 minutes ago, Yagoda said: The pardon power of the President is unlimited. That goes waaaaay back in the common law. Biden is a scumbag for doing it, but he has the right to. Expect all of these now pardoned criminals to face the music before Congressional committees, under oath, Viz: Ms. Cheney? Did you ever talk to..... Perjury is the best, because thou art forever marked. Were Carter and Ford, RIP, scumbags, too?
January 21, 20251 yr 17 minutes ago, LosLobo said: Were Carter and Ford, RIP, scumbags, too? No, incompetent maybe. You dont think Biden is a scumbag for pardoning POSs like Milley, Fauci and Cheney and his scumbag son?
January 21, 20251 yr 28 minutes ago, Yagoda said: Ms. Cheney? Did you ever talk to..... Perjury is the best, because thou art forever marked. And she would likely say hat she did so in compliance with DC Bar Rules of Professional Conduct.
January 21, 20251 yr 4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said: And she would likely say hat she did so in compliance with DC Bar Rules of Professional Conduct. Well we dont know what she would say do we? But she sure has some 'splaining to do
January 21, 20251 yr She has opinions that the committee misrepresented applicable sections of the DC Bar rules professional conduct in their conclusions.
January 21, 20251 yr Author 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Explain how someone can be pardoned when someone hasn't been convicted of anything? Does the pardon state what crime they are guilty of but haven't been convicted for? If it's just a general pardon for any crime they might have committed- what if they murdered someone in the past- will they be pardoned for that too? Does the pardon extend to the future- just imagine what one could do if one had that sort of pardon. I read a science fiction story about being able to buy a pre emptive pardon for future crimes, so one could go out and murder someone and not go to prison. Is the US political system a bad joke? The weaponized establishment gone viral! Did you see Joe smirking, as Trump delivered his condemnation of Bidens administration ! Lawyer up Bidens
January 21, 20251 yr Author 3 hours ago, connda said: I imagine that the preemptive pardons will find their way to the SCOTUS. If preemptive pardons are allowed to stand then government officials are basically given a "get out of jail free" card for committing illegal acts during the tenure of an administration if the administration covers their illegal acts during and then post-administration via preemptive pardons. That is a slippery slope and not what the author's of the Constitution had in mind. That will be taken to court. Agree .Slippery , It sounds like Banana Republic!
January 21, 20251 yr Author 3 hours ago, Yagoda said: Nothing wrong with a mission. He just signed an order designating the Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations and refused to rule out the use of the military against them. Bout time, thank god Drug Enforcement ! The cartels are responsible for killing thousands of Americans and other nationals.
January 21, 20251 yr Author Popular Post 2 hours ago, mogandave said: Yes, but he helped get Biden elected, so he gets a pass. Rand Paul said he can prove that Fauci lied and he may get a pardon back in December! So bring him back under oath again! Turley said these preemptive pardon people can be held accountable . https://www.foxnews.com/video/6365597181112
January 21, 20251 yr Popular Post 16 hours ago, Will B Good said: 1. Michael Flynn: Trump’s former National Security Advisor, who had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the Russia investigation. 2. Roger Stone: A longtime ally and political consultant convicted of obstruction, witness tampering, and lying to Congress. 3. Paul Manafort: Trump’s former campaign chairman, convicted of financial crimes stemming from the Mueller investigation. 4. Steve Bannon: A former White House strategist pardoned for charges related to defrauding donors in a “We Build the Wall” fundraising campaign. 5. Charles Kushner: Jared Kushner’s father, convicted of tax evasion, witness tampering, and illegal campaign donations. 6. George Papadopoulos: A former Trump campaign advisor who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the Russia probe. I guess having announced there would be four years lawfare and retribution......... preemptive pardons were definitely on the cards. Biden leaves office with 36% approval, lowest in modern times.
January 21, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, stevenl said: Lol, better stick to your own thinking process, not someone else's. Which real crimes have been committed in your opinion? Lying to Congress? Withholding evidence? That's what a trial would flush out. What happened and why. "Just dong their job" is not necessarily an excuse for illegal activity.
January 21, 20251 yr 16 hours ago, Yellowtail said: Only people that have committed crimes need pardons. In progressive true democracies where they have a credible legal system and the rule of law, that would be a very reasonable thing to believe, but in the USA, it most definitely ain’t.
January 21, 20251 yr Pre-emptive pardon or not Fauci will be investigated and the truth will come out.
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