2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Probably due to the vaccine paradox....as the more intelligent, socially conscious members of the human race get vaccinated the numbers admitted to hospital will eventually outnumber the selfish one's who won't get vaccinated.

 

(The vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus it improves you chances of not dying).

 

How is not getting vaccinated an act of selfishness if the consequences are only for oneself?

16 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't trust anyone to tell me what they think, or what happend.  I will rely on personal experience & observations.

 

My observations ...

... I know healthy people who were vax'd, and needed hospitalization

... I don't know anyone that wasn't vax'd and needed hospitalization.

... I know people vax'd and not vax'd, that stated they were infected, symptomatic of not, and recovered just fine.

 

So apparently, being vax'd had no advantage, and quite the contrary, as I know of 2 that died from the vaccine.

 

Your observations may differ.

 

Same here, but I know (or know of) a lot more than two.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

How is not getting vaccinated an act of selfishness if the consequences are only for oneself?

 

They aren't......... is the simple answer......unless you are/were in your padded cell the whole time.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

How is not getting vaccinated an act of selfishness if the consequences are only for oneself?

In my opinion, arguing with some people about COVID is an act of futility, especially after they already fell for the scam.  You might as well be talking to a brick wall. 

4 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Ask your doctor if doubling up (or perhaps tripling up) on boosters is right for you.  
 

Think of how much worse it could have been.

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Nothing to do with my statement, so not sure why you went to the effort of digging that out and posting it????

Everything to do with your statement.

 

Why are leftists such liars?

 

 

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Moments ago, ChatGPT assured me the COVID vaccines reduced COVID cases. So I uploaded the COVID cases data and asked ChatGPT to analyze it. It conceded that the shot increase your infection risk.

 

"Trust the Algorithm."

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I used to go read in the Farang Pub when I wanted comedic relief.

 

Now I read the Health section.

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I don't trust anyone to tell me what they think, or what happend.  I will rely on personal experience & observations.

 

My observations ...

... I know healthy people who were vax'd, and needed hospitalization

... I don't know anyone that wasn't vax'd and needed hospitalization.

... I know people vax'd and not vax'd, that stated they were infected, symptomatic of not, and recovered just fine.

 

So apparently, being vax'd had no advantage, and quite the contrary, as I know of 2 that died from the vaccine.

 

I agree with your "observations" and how could anyone not do so, they are yours?

 

I also note that under the subject of "experience" that you said you also rely on, there is a blank. So you like many of us who have had no professional experience in the health and bio-science fields should leave it to those who have and stop spreading conspiracy theories - like the o/p who seems to have made a career out of it.

9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

They aren't......... is the simple answer......unless you are/were in your padded cell the whole time.

 

This contradicts your initial statement. Moving at the speed of science again, are we?

Don’t worry everybody.

 

Pfizer has your back. 😁

 

 

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

"Trust the Algorithm."

I think the best thing that people can do at this point is to forget about it.  Maybe consider it a lesson going forward.  No one can turn back the clock.  

 

Anyone who was paying attention beginning in 2020 probably witnessed a lot of nonsense.  It was truly amazing.  

Paranoia beyond belief juxtaposed with people who seemingly ignored it all but had no real choice but to go along with some of the nonsense.  Closed restaurants and bars, masks, partially closed medical facilities., arrows on the floor of grocery stores telling you which way you could walk,  FDA nonsense.  Media propaganda.  It was a mass hysteria. 

2 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Don’t worry everybody.

 

Pfizer has your back. 😁

 

 

 

Creepy.

20 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Everything to do with your statement.

 

Why are leftists such liars?

 

 

 

 

 

 

My statement is based on the independent scientific evidence that has been gathered during and since the pandemic....... not on what six selective individuals may or may not have said.

 

Can you see the difference?

23 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

 

I agree with your "observations" and how could anyone not do so, they are yours?

 

I also note that under the subject of "experience" that you said you also rely on, there is a blank. So you like many of us who have had no professional experience in the health and bio-science fields should leave it to those who have and stop spreading conspiracy theories - like the o/p who seems to have made a career out of it.

My experience (vs diploma'd knowledge), on C19, I don't think I was infected, though, if so, not symptomatic enough to even notice.   Though admittedly, I rarely have any flu type symptoms, and in the rare occasion I do, they pass within a day or so.

 

Unlike the wife & daughter, they seem to pick up some bug, yearly, that hangs around for week or so.

 

I've also never had a season flu shot, and I refuse to call those a vaccine also.   CDC's own #s show over a 15 ish year study of, they have an average of less thab 40% effective rate, with a range of 10-60% effective, within those years.  If memory serves.   Easy to find info on their site.

24 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I think the best thing that people can do at this point is to forget about it.  Maybe consider it a lesson going forward.  No one can turn back the clock.  

 

Anyone who was paying attention beginning in 2020 probably witnessed a lot of nonsense.  It was truly amazing.  

Paranoia beyond belief juxtaposed with people who seemingly ignored it all but had no real choice but to go along with some of the nonsense.  Closed restaurants and bars, masks, partially closed medical facilities., arrows on the floor of grocery stores telling you which way you could walk,  FDA nonsense.  Media propaganda.  It was a mass hysteria. 

 

Depends which conspiracy theory they're discussing.

 

Covids was a thing.

 

My wife and I were stuck in China for a few years, unable to return to Thailand.

 

No hysteria in our part of China.  We had a temporary "lockdown" that lasted all of two weeks.  Just meant one person per household could go out daily to buy necessities.  Of course it only affected those living in apartment complexes with gate guard security to enforce it.

 

There were mask requirements in public spaces, but no government requirement to get vaxxed.  That may have been required by employer, or for travel, but not mandated for everyone.  We got the Sinopharm old-fangled vaccine.  No mRna.  No random strangers collapsing in the streets.

 

But we maintained a stash of commodities, just in case....

23 minutes ago, jas007 said:

In my opinion, arguing with some people about COVID is an act of futility, especially after they already fell for the scam.  You might as well be talking to a brick wall. 

 

agree, best not to argue with them, I just send this....

 

 

23 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I used to go read in the Farang Pub when I wanted comedic relief.

 

Now I read the Health section.

Surely it will be moved after you report it 

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Moments ago, ChatGPT assured me the COVID vaccines reduced COVID cases. So I uploaded the COVID cases data and asked ChatGPT to analyze it. It conceded that the shot increase your infection risk.

 

ChatGPT is wrong about almost everything.  If you are trying to convince people covid vaccines are bad, you would have been better off just keeping this a secret.

 

I think there's a common misconception about the real reason for the mass vaccination program.

 

It wasn't some conspiracy or even about health, it was a political necessity.

 

Most governments around the world panicked and made many unwise and unjustified decisions that wrecked their economies and created massive national debt .... but how to step back from lock-downs, travel bans, working from home, subsidies etc when it's clear the virus is never going away?

 

You can't admit you made serious errors of judgement, so you use mass vaccination as the 'reason' for lifting the unsustainable restrictions.

 

I think it's a brilliant strategy, and hopefully a harmless ruse ..... unless the health impacts of the mRNA vaccines turn out to be real.

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Moments ago, ChatGPT assured me the COVID vaccines reduced COVID cases. So I uploaded the COVID cases data and asked ChatGPT to analyze it. It conceded that the shot increase your infection risk.

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/chatgpt-agrees-that-more-covid-vaccination

= = =

From ChatGPT:

 

 

In plain English, the more you vax, the more COVID cases you get.

This is precisely the opposite of what we were told by the health authorities.

 

Here’s a link to the full ChatGPT session  >  https://www.skirsch.com/covid/chatgpt/CDC_cases_analysis.pdf

 

= = =

 

Wikipedia describes Kirsch as follows:
>>Steven Todd Kirsch is an American entrepreneur. He has started several companies and was one of two independent inventors of the optical mouse. Kirsch has been both a philanthropic supporter of medical research, and a promoter of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.

 

Why would anyone of sane mind want to waste time reading nonsense from a promoter of misinformation?

 

If you go further into the Wiki entry so can see Kirsch's background is in something other than bio-sciences albeit successful and made him lots of money. He seems to have gone astray onto the conspiracy trail when his early funding of COVID treatment failed.

18 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

 

 

My statement is based on the independent scientific evidence that has been gathered during and since the pandemic....... not on what six selective individuals may or may not have said.

 

Can you see the difference?

I can see you are dishonest.

 

Let’s toast your future health issues.

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

 

ChatGPT is wrong about almost everything.  If you are trying to convince people covid vaccines are bad, you would have been better off just keeping this a secret.

 

Large language models.  It's all evolving, and they've usually inserted a political bias.  

 

Anyway, depending on how you phrase a question, you can get seemingly contradictory answers.  At the end of the day, you're just getting a summary of the gibberish it was trained on. Take it with a grain of salt. 

16 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Depends which conspiracy theory they're discussing.

 

Covids was a thing.

 

My wife and I were stuck in China for a few years, unable to return to Thailand.

 

No hysteria in our part of China.  We had a temporary "lockdown" that lasted all of two weeks.  Just meant one person per household could go out daily to buy necessities.  Of course it only affected those living in apartment complexes with gate guard security to enforce it.

 

There were mask requirements in public spaces, but no government requirement to get vaxxed.  That may have been required by employer, or for travel, but not mandated for everyone.  We got the Sinopharm old-fangled vaccine.  No mRna.  No random strangers collapsing in the streets.

 

But we maintained a stash of commodities, just in case....

Sounds like wherever you were was fairly normal.  I was stuck in the USA during COVID, and it was the same there.  Some areas were more nuts than others. A first, nobody knew what to think.  But after a few months, it became clear.  The powers that be were running. a scam. For anyone paying attention, it was obvious.  

 

Nothing can be done about it now, although I do realize that Dr. Fauci and the Gain of Function Clowns ruined a few years of my life.  

I don't know about the science, but I'd give almost anything to go back and undo my 2nd Pfizer.  My quality of life took a nosedive the next day and hasn't recovered. 

 

And no.  It was not a coincidence.

 

6 minutes ago, jas007 said:

A first, nobody knew what to think.  But after a few months, it became clear.  The powers that be were running. a scam. For anyone paying attention, it was obvious.  

 

Obviously run by our reptilian underlords from their secret base on the darkest side of the moon, accessible only by Trump/Musk's stargate installation, beyond the great ice wall buried underneath the golden Illuminati pyramid disguised as Santa's workshop by Harry Potter's cloak of festivus, and guarded by a battalion of Oompah-Loompahs in rainbow leotards.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

How is not getting vaccinated an act of selfishness if the consequences are only for oneself?

Good question .... and I think the 'experts' were hung up on the historical vaccination-based eradication schemes such as smallpox and polio.  

 

The theory is if enough people are vaccinated the virus will go away, and this will relieve pressure on the hospitals (the primary 'reason' for vaccination).

 

But smallpox, polio (and HPV, measles, mumps, rubella and others) do not mutate, whereas COVID mutates rapidly.

 

So if your approach is to treat COVID like a cold or flu, stay at home and suck it up, then it's up to you if you get vaccinated.

 

But if you run to hospital every time you get a sniffle (like they do in China and India) then regular vaccination has some theoretical value.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

I have four kids all vaccinated, three never caught covid......those three lived in London. One has had covid five times and lives in the Yorkshire countryside, ergo, the countryside is the last place you want to be during an epidemic?

 

I got 2 kids who are not vaccinated and doing absolutely fine.

3 hours ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

 

 

You do of course have links to their quotes, right? Or do you just swallow this and spread it without checking? (Don't worry, I know the answer)

 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Personal knowledge & experience is all I trust.   That based on over 60+ years of lies, from about every govt and private entity I can think of.

 

Believe what you know, or what you're told ... UP2U

 

No one has all the answers or experiences.
 

You mentioned believing either what you know or what you're told, and it's not always that simple. Personal experience is valuable but can be limited and biased. We can’t just rely on ourselves or take everything at face value.
 

Understanding the world is all about sharing knowledge and learning from each other. Ignoring this broader view can hold us back and miss the important insights that science and expert opinions provide.
 

That’s why it’s essential to use critical thinking to separate what's true from what's not. Trust should be informed, not blind, so we can see the bigger picture

 

1 hour ago, WorriedNoodle said:

 

Wikipedia describes Kirsch as follows:
>>Steven Todd Kirsch is an American entrepreneur. He has started several companies and was one of two independent inventors of the optical mouse. Kirsch has been both a philanthropic supporter of medical research, and a promoter of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.

 

Why would anyone of sane mind want to waste time reading nonsense from a promoter of misinformation?

 

If you go further into the Wiki entry so can see Kirsch's background is in something other than bio-sciences albeit successful and made him lots of money. He seems to have gone astray onto the conspiracy trail when his early funding of COVID treatment failed.

 

And this is what Wikipedia's co-founder has to say about it:

 

'Nobody should trust Wikipedia,' its co-founder warns: Larry Sanger says site has been taken over by left-wing 'volunteers' who write off sources that don't fit their agenda as fake news

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9793263/Nobody-trust-Wikipedia-founder-Larry-Sanger-warns.html