it's a bit pathetic and an insult to everyone's intelligence .....  

 

I trust him,     I trust trust the president of the US,   We all want peace,   Russia wants peace,   Donald Trump wants the war to end,    Vance knows everything in the world .....    

 

IT REALLY HAS GOTTEN PATHETIC ....    imo   

I think the folks in Europe will have a wider approach.   Good luck to them hope they get it done.  Just curious why they have waited 3 years.

3 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

Who would trust Trump?

 

Starmer had to say it but he has too much sense to believe it.

That's my reading of Starmer's statements. He cannot say openly that he distrusts Trump, that would be amateurish to the extreme. At the same time, he knows how to let people understand where he stands when he said (somewhere, I cannot remember where) that "He cannot accept that the US are an unreliable ally". What this really means is that, he thinks/he knows/he understands that the US are now an unreliable ally, and he finds that new reality difficult to accept. It's a typical British understatement, very subtle and diplomatic.

Which kind of "Peace", they are talking about, after all?

Peace for Poo-tin?

Retaining current occupied areas(in the eastern regions and Crimea)?

 

Forcing UA to give up 20% of their land, robbed by Russia?

 

Ukraine certainly won't accept it.

 

Even if they gave it up to Rus, they will just use it as the front line  base , for their Future Invasion.

19 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I think the folks in Europe will have a wider approach.   Good luck to them hope they get it done.  Just curious why they have waited 3 years.

agree ,  they knew the problem, the seriousness and the carnage,   why wait ,  were they just letting the US handle it   ?????????????????

 

I have said all along,   Zelensky has 2 options :                (  and I am correct  )  

 

Bomb, Nuke, destroy Moscow ...   or pack up Ukraine and give it all to Russia and let the EU worry about the rest

13 minutes ago, gejohesch said:

He cannot say openly that he distrusts Trump,

correct ....   and that's an insult to the world's intelligence,  just as Trump does.   

 

IT'S PATHETIC   !!    these World dictators, PM's,  people of absolute high regard,    cannot even tell the truth.

 

what chance does the world even have when the top dogs lie all the time.

8 minutes ago, steven100 said:

correct ....   and that's an insult to the world's intelligence,  just as Trump does.   

 

IT'S PATHETIC   !!    these World dictators, PM's,  people of absolute high regard,    cannot even tell the truth.

 

what chance does the world even have when the top dogs lie all the time.

Thanks for your "correct....". However, I'm sorry, but I don't think I agree with you for the rest. 

8 minutes ago, gejohesch said:

Thanks for your "correct....". However, I'm sorry, but I don't think I agree with you for the rest. 

so you think they tell the truth  ?

57 minutes ago, steven100 said:

it's a bit pathetic and an insult to everyone's intelligence .....  

 

I trust him,     I trust trust the president of the US,   We all want peace,   Russia wants peace,   Donald Trump wants the war to end,    Vance knows everything in the world .....    

 

IT REALLY HAS GOTTEN PATHETIC ....    imo   

Go easy steve.

23 minutes ago, steven100 said:

correct ....   and that's an insult to the world's intelligence,  just as Trump does.   

 

IT'S PATHETIC   !!    these World dictators, PM's,  people of absolute high regard,    cannot even tell the truth.

 

what chance does the world even have when the top dogs lie all the time.

Calm down steve. None of it matters.

14 hours ago, Dan O said:

I think you are close to correct on most of what you wrote except the last part about the meeting and meltdown that occurred. I believe Trump orchestrated the press interview early in the meeting before discussing and coming to agreement on a "peace agreement" and expected Zekensky to roll over to the pressure of the moment and just sign an open ended agreement. Z was on to their tactics and stood his cmground correctly. When Z corrected Trump and Vance about not agreeing to sign anything without details and presenting it to his govt for discussion and  approval first  that made Trump look like a fool and he had to lash out along with baby Vance to try to show force to control the situation. It shows their lack of experience in political situations and international diplomacy and they have no place on a global stage as a lead on negotiations. Shameful actions on their part. 

Ukraine still 'ready' to sign US minerals deal, Zelensky tells BBC

because the comedian went to the Euro leaders  after President Trump told him,   he does not have the cards !  ....bla bla bla,,,and he realizes he is basically "F'd"  they can't fund him or protect him ,,   and they already said they would have to get approval ( backing from the US )

crawl you maggot .....!   

5 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

Ukraine still 'ready' to sign US minerals deal, Zelensky tells BBC

because the comedian went to the Euro leaders  after President Trump told him,   he does not have the cards !  ....bla bla bla,,,and he realizes he is basically "F'd"  they can't fund him or protect him ,,   and they already said they would have to get approval ( backing from the US )

crawl you maggot .....!   

Check your facts as you may be the one crawling. EU has provided 60% of the funding so far with more new funding to come. Show a link to your claims that the EU has to get approval from USA first on new funding. 

 

Z never said he wouldn't enter into a deal on minerals but he isnt giving 50% and he wasnt going to sign an open agreement with no details. He said it in the press conference and then the a$$wipes trump and vance exploded like a 2 year throwing a temper tantrum.  

The Peace Treaty Deal .  Problems .

 

Zelensky wants all land that has been annexed by Russia , since the 2022 invasion , to be returned to Ukraine and also the return of Crimea . To date 20% of Ukraine is under Russian control . Zelensky wants the Ukraine borders to be restored to those of the pre 2014 year . The U.S.A. will not support this . Zelensky wants Putin to be tried for war crimes . 

The mineral deal will be signed by Zelensky if Trump agrees to have the USA border security .Trump says no way .

 

So Trump promised to end the war in 1 day . How naive ? Trump decided to pick on the weakest link , hoping Zelensky  would collapse and comply to Trumps wishes . This tactic has failed and has left Trump in a defeatist mode and is now in the making of U.S .A. global  isolation . Europe must go it alone .

Starmers invitation letter to Trump from king Charles for a state visit ,was made purely to encourage trade deals and not apply tariffs to UK imports  and Trump will know that . It was a finger down the throat job . Real cringe moment . Amateurish .