I am sure many would support Trump to negotiate an end to this war if they thought he would do so in good faith and to support the western standpoint BUT he has displayed an amazing empathy for the invading Russians and total betrayal of the opinions of other western powers supporting Ukraine.

 

I read an interesting article that Turkey has reached out to both Russia and Ukraine to attempt to solve this matter. Turkey has shown  total independence throughout this war by supplying arms to Ukraine while still maintaining a relationship with Russia, quite a unique scenario. He does not appear fazed by Trump, his DEI appointment Hegseth who displayed his brilliance prior to the first meeting held in an arab state and that excluded Ukranian representation.

1 minute ago, Colki said:

I am sure many would support Trump to negotiate an end to this war if they thought he would do so in good faith and to support the western standpoint BUT he has displayed an amazing empathy for the invading Russians and total betrayal of the opinions of other western powers supporting Ukraine. 

 

I read an interesting article that Turkey has reached out to both Russia and Ukraine to attempt to solve this matter. Turkey has shown  total independence throughout this war by supplying arms to Ukraine while still maintaining a relationship with Russia, quite a unique scenario. He does not appear fazed by Trump, his DEI appointment Hegseth who displayed his brilliance prior to the first meeting held in an arab state and that excluded Ukranian representation.

 

What is your claim that "he has displayed an amazing empathy for the invading Russians and total betrayal of the opinions of other western powers supporting Ukraine." based on? 

 

I think the UN should be relocated to Turkey. 

12 minutes ago, Colki said:

I am sure many would support Trump to negotiate an end to this war if they thought he would do so in good faith and to support the western standpoint BUT he has displayed an amazing empathy for the invading Russians and total betrayal of the opinions of other western powers supporting Ukraine.

 

I read an interesting article that Turkey has reached out to both Russia and Ukraine to attempt to solve this matter. Turkey has shown  total independence throughout this war by supplying arms to Ukraine while still maintaining a relationship with Russia, quite a unique scenario. He does not appear fazed by Trump, his DEI appointment Hegseth who displayed his brilliance prior to the first meeting held in an arab state and that excluded Ukranian representation.

The Don knows the US started the conflict. Maybe he is just trying to put things right.

On 3/5/2025 at 11:39 PM, Tiger1980 said:

As a Brit can one of you Americans inform me which unit of the American service did Trump serve in and for how long.

he got his dad's doctor to say he had heel spurs so he was declared 4f meaning he was unfit for military service.  Then he went on to college where he played in all the sports guess his heel spurs only exempted him from military service which didn't exempt all those with heel spurs. Biden too was exempt as he had asthma.  Two really great American patriots (not).

4 minutes ago, Presnock said:

he got his dad's doctor to say he had heel spurs so he was declared 4f meaning he was unfit for military service.  Then he went on to college where he played in all the sports guess his heel spurs only exempted him from military service which didn't exempt all those with heel spurs. Biden too was exempt as he had asthma.  Two really great American patriots (not).

And both Biden and Clinton were draft dodgers, and Tim Walz abandoned his unit when they went to combat. 

 

Yes, the bone-spurs thing is shameful, but why it only a concern when it's Trump? 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

And both Biden and Clinton were draft dodgers, and Tim Walz abandoned his unit when they went to combat. 

 

Yes, the bone-spurs thing is shameful, but why it only a concern when it's Trump? 

I had heel spurs too, I wasn't exempt, in fact the draft board contacted me about 2 months after I had spent 4 years in the military, including 2 years in VN.  I played sports in HS too with the heel spurs and never considered that it should be a means of avoiding military service, unlike Trump.

9 minutes ago, Presnock said:

he got his dad's doctor to say he had heel spurs so he was declared 4f meaning he was unfit for military service.  Then he went on to college where he played in all the sports guess his heel spurs only exempted him from military service which didn't exempt all those with heel spurs. Biden too was exempt as he had asthma.  Two really great American patriots (not).

 

You can be a Patriot without having served.

I served and I don't care that they got exemptions, neither do most enlisted. If someone doesn't want to be there, I don't want them on my squad. Good way to get killed

1 minute ago, Presnock said:

I had heel spurs too, I wasn't exempt, in fact the draft board contacted me about 2 months after I had spent 4 years in the military, including 2 years in VN.  I played sports in HS too with the heel spurs and never considered that it should be a means of avoiding military service, unlike Trump.

Did you not understand my post? What I said was that both Biden and Clinton were draft dodgers, and Tim Walz abandoned his unit when they went to combat. 

 

I agreed the bone-spurs thing is shameful, but why it only a concern when it's Trump? 

1 minute ago, Presnock said:

I had heel spurs too, I wasn't exempt, in fact the draft board contacted me about 2 months after I had spent 4 years in the military, including 2 years in VN.  I played sports in HS too with the heel spurs and never considered that it should be a means of avoiding military service, unlike Trump.

Perhaps The Don had them real bad?

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, typical Italian thinking, trying to circumvent the rules. Such a guarantee would be tantamount to giving Ukraine NATO membership and therefore would prevent any deal to end the war. Every idiot can see this. More Euro drivel to lick the boots of Ukraine that is about as irrelevant as anything else that comes out of Europe. It will never happen.

 

Anyone who thinks this is a viable option needs to seek medical help.

absolute nonsense.  

38 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Did you not understand my post? What I said was that both Biden and Clinton were draft dodgers, and Tim Walz abandoned his unit when they went to combat. 

 

I agreed the bone-spurs thing is shameful, but why it only a concern when it's Trump? 

anyone doing whatever they can to avoid serving to me is shameful! but I bet more rich kids avoided the draft than poor ones but one will never see those figures.

17 hours ago, nauseus said:

The Russians have not risked their air force much but most of their tactics favour the use of long range missiles and drones, anyway.

 

Stupid russian tactics, right?  Another sign they're losing?

 

Or just no need to risk aircraft against western wunder waffle air defenses if they don't have to.

 

Why fly your planes directly over an air defense site if you have glide bombs that will do the job without risking pilots/planes?

 

 

6 hours ago, steven100 said:

Putin is a murderous tyrant

 

Is he?

Is he, really?

 

Let's compare the destruction of Kiev to, oh, I dunno......Fallujah?

Yellowtail.... I made that observation by the fact that other contributing western powers were excluded from his little tete a tete I think in Saudi and the bizzare comments who started the war, Zel. was a dictator etc.

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

If Ukraine falls, where will the Russian advance stop?

 

If ethnic cleansing of the Donbass never begins, when will the Russian advance start?

 

 

Gosh, we've been moving NATO closer and closer for decades, and Russia just sits there, minding its own business. "Not an inch to the east!~"  Haha, silly Russians use metric, they don't know what an inch is.

 

Hey!  Let's overthrow Ukraine!  Then we can get Russia thrown out of Sevastopol, and then Kiev can cleanse the eastern provinces.

 

What could go wrong!

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Perhaps The Don had them real bad?

 

Didn't stop him from "serving" as a cadet captain in ROTC at New York Military Academy where he was on the Varsity baseball, soccer and football teams.

 

Trump won the Proficient Cadet award for two years running and Honor Cadet for four years running too.

For two years in a row he also won the Neatness and Order medal.

 

Under the 'Popularity Poll' section of the yearbook, Trump was nominated as the 'Ladies Man' of the year

 

"Chicks dig the uniform, man!  They practically LET you do it!"

 

 

 

 

 

For more entertaining photos, see

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168648/Donald-Trump-pictured-uniform-cadet-captain-dodged-Vietnam-draft-four-deferments-bone-spur.html

On 3/5/2025 at 11:39 PM, Tiger1980 said:

As a Brit can one of you Americans inform me which unit of the American service did Trump serve in and for how long.

 

As an American, I'll inform you that it was the same unit as your 2-Tier Keir.  Just as long too.

On 3/6/2025 at 3:04 AM, MicroB said:

 

Though Robert Biden served in Iraq. Neither of the American President's adult sons have ever served their country. His youngest son holds dual Slovenian citizenship; its notabl that he declined ti renounce this citizenship when he came of age. While Slovenia abolished conscription, the government is currently reviewing that decision, given its current recruitment goals. American dual nationals are liable to overseas miitary service.

 

 

Who the heck is Robert Biden?

On 3/6/2025 at 3:50 AM, MicroB said:

 

I never said he was. Why are you intent on causing an argument with purile childish spelling. Plus you have deliberately broken forum rules by using the name "Bob". No one called him Bob. He was kn own as Robert or Beau. Clearly, you are attempting to mock. Forum rules broken, as has been pointed, correctly, to me.

 

Beau was not known as "Robert" by anyone.    His full name was Joseph Robinette Biden (but everyone knew him as Nancy, err, sorry, Beau).

 

Hunter's first name is Robert, however.

 

 

Yes, I agree...

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Stupid russian tactics, right?  Another sign they're losing?

 

Or just no need to risk aircraft against western wunder waffle air defenses if they don't have to.

 

Why fly your planes directly over an air defense site if you have glide bombs that will do the job without risking pilots/planes?

 

 

 

You said stupid. Not me.

On 3/6/2025 at 3:46 PM, Hamus Yaigh said:

This is the sort of spin that Trump and his supporters are known for—they often try to portray Trump as a victim of unfair treatment and attacks, regardless of the reality of the situation. Misinformation and “alternative facts” can lead to mistrust in institutions, polarization, and even real-world consequences. We’re not talking about clinical insanity, but rather a kind of collective derangement that can grip a nation. In that sense, it’s a kind of madness. Some might call it “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” where Trump’s supporters are so blind to the truth, they’re willing to believe anything he says, even when there’s clear evidence to the contrary.

Seek some help.

Regardless of that, Zelensky got kicked out of the W H and is now grovelling to Trump to let him sign the minerals deal.

Zelensky is no different from Churchill ("We will fight them on the beaches, etc.") People who give up, lose.

2 hours ago, Colki said:

Yellowtail.... I made that observation by the fact that other contributing western powers were excluded from his little tete a tete I think in Saudi and the bizzare comments who started the war, Zel. was a dictator etc.

Do you support continuing the war and the US throwing billions more $ at it, or do you want an end to the killing?

 

Anyway, unless the Euros can replace the US intelligence contribution it's likely that Ukraine will start losing even more than they are already. If Musk ends his satellite cover that would likely be game over.

On 3/6/2025 at 3:03 AM, Harrisfan said:

Good luck. You go first on day 1. 

Well said. Lots on here want other people to do the fighting and dying for them, as they warmonger from behind their computer screens.

If they got called up they'd want the war to end pretty quickly.

On 3/5/2025 at 11:03 PM, advancebooking said:

Zelenski hasn't signed away generations of his countries resources. 

 

 

He is ready to now.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5220x56pqt

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tells the BBC that Ukraine remains ready to sign a rare minerals deal with the US following his heated confrontation with Donald Trump on Friday

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do you support continuing the war and the US throwing billions more $ at it, or do you want an end to the killing?

 

It is NOT an either or question.

Of course the war MUST stop but NOT by capitulation to an aggressor.

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I'm sorry, did you not understand the question? 

 

 

It is more obvious you failed to understand the answer.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Oh my God Russia wants to invade London! Quick, give Boris Johnson a plane!

There is a saying about true words and jest.

Russia took a large part of Europe after the war, only the naive would think they don't want it back.

22 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Might push him to push buttons too. Boom. Oops. Great idea! 

Maybe, but. General Westmoreland wanted nuclear weapons sent to South Vietnam in the event of a defeat at the war's bloodiest battle, though President Johnson axed the operation. Gen. MacArthur asked the Joint Chief of Staffs for nuclear weapons during the Korean War. 

Sometimes things don't happen.